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In the last month, I've been rewatching Twin Peaks in bits and pieces. (I.e. up to episode 16, after which the show takes a dive until the finale; I also watched Fire Walk With Me.) It's been a long, long while. Some things like different now, some the same. Oh, and the owls are not what they seem.



1) Cooper's "and there is one thing I want to know, not just as an agent of the bureau but as a human being: what was going on between the Kennedys and Marilyn Monroe, and who really killed JFK?" while he meditates in his room in the Great Northern still cracks me up.

2) David Lynch's young lovers - whether it's Donna and James, or the couple from Wild at Heart - invariably tend to be among the least interesting of his characters, though it's qualified in Donna's case because her scenes when not with James are more layered; but I'm still left with the impression Donna's friendship with/love for Laura, who is dead, is more interesting than anything in her current life.

3) I have less patience for Nadine-as-a-teenager antics this time around. Incidentally, I've seen the actress shortly after TP ended as Anne Boleyn in Los Angeles, in a performance of Anne of the Thousand Days, and she was fantastic.

4) Back then, I was disappointed Cooper and Audrey never got together, but now, I'm glad of it. The theme of sexual exploitation is really strong in this show, and though like all teenagers she's played by an adult actress, we're meant to believe Audrey as a high school girl. Cooper being the White Knight is pretty much instrumental for the show (and also for the shocking final twist at the end). Apparantly my squick level for school girl/men around 30 pairings has risen in the last 17 years.

5) Audrey discovering her father actually owns One Eyed Jack's in a variation of the "father finds daughter working in a brothel" punchline prefigures the Leland/Laura revelation, and you can say Ben and Leland and Audrey and Laura are generally narrative double/contrasts to each other. Of course, Audrey miraculously makes it out of the brothel without ever having to sleep with anyone, and without her father finding out whom he almost molested (until she tells him later); she's the bad girl who only poses as a bad girl but isn't really, and never gets burned, whereas Laura is the girl who really did it all, suffered the consequences and wasn't rescued.

6) I don't remember which critic wrote that if Cooper, as he tells the judge at one point, experiences Twin Peaks as heaven (see also his indignant speech to Albert Rosenfield of how people there still cared about murders and each other), Laura expierenced it as unrelenting hell, but I can see that, and that's one reason among several why the movie wasn't popular. It completely ties with Bobby's outburst at Laura's grave about the hypocrisy of the town, though, and the accusation that they all knew Laura was massively troubled and ignored it.

7) Which brings me to the show's most disturbing and effective gambit, simultanously blaming the killings on a supernatural entity - BOB - and a "real" person, i.e. Leland Palmer. Leland literally has the "the devil made me do it" get out clause...or has he? The murder of Laura's near identical cousin Maddy remains one of the most horrifying tv murders I can think of. (In terms of emotional impact as a single scene, I can only think of Jenny Calendar's death for comparison.) The show keeps cross cutting between the supernatural variation of the murder - BOB killing Maddy, complete in slow motion and eerie light - and the "real life" version, Leland killing her, in actual speed, and the Leland parts of the sequence are the ones that are responsible for the effect. Not just because for first time watchers, this is when the implication sinks in - i.e. if Leland kills Maddy, he must have raped and killed his own daughter as well. Because Leland keeps switching between brutally beating Maddy to death and embracing her, cradling her and singing to her as a Laura substitute. Two episodes later, you get Leland's own death scene, very movingly acted by Ray Wise, which seems to be firmly on the "Leland as another victim of BOB's" side of things; Cooper acts as a de-facto priest absolving Leland. But later, Sheriff Truman asks Cooper: "Leland was completely crazy, wasn't he?" and Cooper asks back what was more comforting to believe, Leland being possessed by a demon or "a man raping and murdering his own daughter". Unfortunately, for the audience, especially today's audience reading the headlines, it's the later.

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me continues the ambiguity. On the one hand, you have Laura seemingly being denial/unaware about her father being BOB until she forces BOB to show his true face while he has sex with her and sees her father; on the other, the film shows Leland - when pointedly being Leland, not BOB, it's not like TP is especially subtle when Leland is possessed, what with the manic grins and all - being definitely sexually drawn to his daughter and emotionally both abusive and overprotective in a non-demonic way. There's the scene where he chides her about her dirty fingernails and demands to know about her "lover" (with his wife pointing out "they don't call them "lovers" in high school, Leland") which gets so disturbing that Sarah Palmer starts to scream, but you don't get the impression this is the first time she witnessed this. There's the flashback to the revelation that Leland had a sexual relationship with BOB's earlier victim Theresa Banks, telling her while in bed with her "you look just like my Laura", and again, he's not brutal or maniac at that point, which means he's not speaking as BOB. Add to this Laura telling Harold that BOB "had" her since she was twelve, and it's really impossible for a rewatcher to buy Leland as innocent and solely used by the demon.

8) Both Leland, when dying, in his confession to Cooper, and Fire Walk With Me the film add one twist to Laura's death which makes it different from all the other deaths on the show. Because BOB didn't want to kill Laura originally, he wanted her as his next host, and Laura refused, preferring to die, and not relenting despite the cruelty of her death. Which creates the interesting dichotomy of Laura being simultanously the female victim (of murder, of abuse), the girl/woman with a past (taking cocaine, having various relationships, prostituting herself) and yet being stronger than the men of the show when they're in the same position (Leland in the past, who let Bob in, and saying "yes" is a condition to demonic possession in this 'verse, and Cooper at the end of the show, though he acts under blackmail), unwilling to continue the cycle of abuse. It's also a contrast to Josie Packard, who in one of the show's other plots is also a victim (simultanously comitting crimes) but accepts any degradation out of fear, and remains a metaphorical and practical slave until her death.

Date: 2007-12-08 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
Very interesting thoughts re: Twin Peaks. As usual, I enjoy your analysis immensely but don't have much to add, because you've covered it all. I particularly agree that it's really impossible for a rewatcher to buy Leland as innocent and solely used by the demon. My hunch was always that the creators of the show were asked/forced to try and disambiguate Leland's possession/evilness, and they did do so, but tried to make it as inconclusive as they could within those parameters.

Just last night I was thrilled to find a Twin Peaks vid focused on the nature of evil as portrayed in the show:
The Adversary, by astolat.

You've probably seen it; but just in case you haven't: http://astolat.livejournal.com/158352.html

Date: 2007-12-08 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Yes, I've seen it, and agree it's fabulous; thanks for reminding me, I rewatched it immediately!

My hunch was always that the creators of the show were asked/forced to try and disambiguate Leland's possession/evilness, and they did do so, but tried to make it as inconclusive as they could within those parameters.

Could be, could be. After all, this wasn't a cable show, right?

Date: 2007-12-08 04:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
I so rarely get a chance to use this icon!

The death of Maddy is on my list of "Top Ten Screen Murders" (which I really must finish some time - I stopped because it seemed over-dominated by TV murders and I wanted to think of some more film ones). I thought it was perfectly done. I remember watching the repeat when it was first broadcast because I wanted to see it again, but [livejournal.com profile] legionseagle couldn't bear to, though she admired it: later we were discussing a proposal someone had made to cut the more graphic violence on television, and she suggested "The screen turns black. A caption reads 'At this point, a young girl is horribly and very artistically murdered.'"

My interpretation was that Albert was right, and that Bob was the name we give to the evil that men do. When Sarah and others say that they have never seen Bob before, the real meaning is that they have never seen that "face" of Leland. And once Maddy sees it, she understands what he is, and can see both faces - family man and abuser - almost but not quite simultaneously.

I also thought that Cooper's refusal to accept Bob as a natural manifestation of humanity was a weakness: as I remember it, he says "Would you rather believe that a man could rape and kill his own daughter?" And I thought "What's rather got to do with it? You believe in the supernatural because you find reality too distressing?" So in time I came to believe that it was his inability to recognise and accept his own dark side that allowed him to succumb to it.

But I wish they'd wound up the series with the death of Leland. Though there were occasional interesting moments after that, it struck me as a demonstration of American TV not knowing that some stories have a natural shape and length, and that when that's completed it's a mistake to try to add more.

Date: 2007-12-08 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I remember watching the repeat when it was first broadcast because I wanted to see it again, but legionseagle couldn't bear to, though she admired it

Oh, I can understand that. I think this was only the second or third time I watched it myself, though I did rewatch the episodes on video ten years ago, but I fast forwarded then. It's a fantastic and deeply scarring sequence.

(Oh, btw, on the documentaries for the Golden DVD addition I learned that Sheryl Lee had to film this three times - once with Frank Silva (Bob), once with Ray Wise (Leland) and once with Richard Beymer (Ben Horne, to throw off spoiler hounds), which made for an entire long shooting day of getting beat up and having to die again and again, and they all admired her for not being a complete wreck at the end of it. )

I also thought that Cooper's refusal to accept Bob as a natural manifestation of humanity was a weakness: as I remember it, he says "Would you rather believe that a man could rape and kill his own daughter?" And I thought "What's rather got to do with it? You believe in the supernatural because you find reality too distressing?"

Yes, that's how it felt like to me. If Leland is the innocent victim of possession, then evil is external. Though Cooper has no difficulties in dealing with the brothers Reynold or Leo as embodying utterly mundane non-supernatural evil; I suppose it's the insidiousness of family abuse that makes him shy away and blame it all on the supernatural.

So in time I came to believe that it was his inability to recognise and accept his own dark side that allowed him to succumb to it.

Makes sense (and also fits with Laura being the one potential host able to refuse to succumb (i.e. continue the cycle of abuse by becoming a killer/abuser), because no matter how damaged as she was, she didn't see herself as solely a victim, she knew had her own darkness).

But I wish they'd wound up the series with the death of Leland.

I haven't met a single TP watcher who thinks otherwise, and of course entirely agree myself.

Date: 2007-12-08 06:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] herself_nyc
I just rewatched a bunch of this back in March, and yet now I can't remember Leland's death!
Do you know which ep # it happens in? I still have the whole thing on my hard-drive.

Date: 2007-12-08 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Leland's death happens in episode 16!

Date: 2007-12-08 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
Though Lynch himself always seems to insist he saw the Laura plot as a single thread, enabling the introduction of the others, and that he intended the series to be viable without it... But I don't think it was.

Date: 2007-12-08 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
So in time I came to believe that it was his inability to recognise and accept his own dark side that allowed him to succumb to it.

Makes sense (and also fits with Laura being the one potential host able to refuse to succumb (i.e. continue the cycle of abuse by becoming a killer/abuser), because no matter how damaged as she was, she didn't see herself as solely a victim, she knew had her own darkness).


Aha! Yes, this makes perfect sense to me, too.

Date: 2007-12-08 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] herself_nyc
that's one reason among several why the movie wasn't popular.

I don't quite get what you mean here, can you expound a little more?

Date: 2007-12-08 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Okay, here's why I think the movie wasn't popular (mind you, I liked it, but I'm aware a lot of people didn't):

1) It was incomprehensible if you weren't a fan of the show. Most movies based on tv shows try to do a compromise to make them accessible to a new audience (see, for example, Joss' opening sequence for Serenity, which was clearly there for people who never watched a single episode, though he tried to make it fun for old watchers as well), and Lynch didn't. So when this film was shown in Cannes, as opposed to previous Lynch efforts, the effect was much bewilderment.

2) If, on the other hand, you were a fan of the show, you probably wanted some follow up on the big cliffhanger - Cooper possessed by BOB - , not a prequel. While there is some follow up on the cliffhanger via Laura's dream of Annie, which gives us at least a hint of what might happen, this is determinedly a prequel, not a sequel.

3) The film has a prelude with characters the fannish audience doesn't know (like a satyr play before a tragedy), and then an unrelenting tragedy with the familiar ones; the huge personnel from the tv show is slimmed down to Laura's immediate environment, which means no member of the Horne family, no Packards and Martells, no Sheriff Truman, his deputies and Lucy and no Big Ed & Co. Fans of these characters probably were frustrated. In addition, Cooper, who in the show is the embodiment of optimism, does appear but by the nature of the story can't be optimistic - rather like the chorus of a Greek tragedy, he's reduced to commenting and being unable to stop the disaster from happening.

All of which makes for a movie which couldn't be popular.

Footnote: an example of how the film really only works if you know the show is that the opening fifteen or so minutes are funny (and a witty satire on the show) ONLY if you're a fan, because D. Meadows where the murder of Theresa Banks happens is basically the anti-Twin Peaks. Here, the FBI agent arriving isn't greeted by a friendly sheriff and nice, excentric locals, but a hostile and corrupt sheriff, and locals who loathe him, the coffee tastes horrible and the food tastes worse; everyone is affected by the death of Laura, but nobody cares about the death of Theresa, nobody even shows up to claim her body; instead of the big Northern Hotel you have a trailer park, and so forth.

Date: 2007-12-08 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] herself_nyc
Ah, okay, thanks!
I was one of those people who saw the movie when it came out and was very disappointed. I watched it again recently on TV and was riveted by it. I think it's a wonderful film, but it DOES require knowledge of the TV show to make any sense.

I think I'm gonna watch the TP finale ep in a little while, I haven't seen it since it aired and remember nothing about it!

Date: 2007-12-08 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
We're in total agreement on the film then.

I haven't seen the finale in eons, either. I remember being both impressed and relieved since it was finally a return to form and had one of the meanest endings ever, but otoh it's still majorly depressing (more, curiously enough, than Fire Walk With Me, despite the fact that Laura dies and Cooper does not).

Date: 2007-12-08 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
7) Which brings me to the show's most disturbing and effective gambit, simultanously blaming the killings on a supernatural entity - BOB - and a "real" person, i.e. Leland Palmer.

What is interesting to me is that I never saw it as ambiguous - I watched the show first when I was fifteen, and I always regarded Bob's part in Laura and Maddy's death as completely metaphorical, something that stood for Leland's incestuous feelings and violent impulses. But I don't think I ever saw Bob as an actual person or even demon, more like a manifestation of evil. I'm not sure if that works as I haven't seen the show for a while, especially the later episodes.

Date: 2007-12-08 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Oh, I didn't see Bob as a person, either, and even with the "absolution" scene of Leland's death I thought the show meant us to see Leland as culpable, especially since Cooper put his "would you rather believe..." as a question later... but then in the next or so episode Leland's photo joins Laura's on the shelf in Sarah Palmer's house, and that broke my suspension of disbelief, and made me assume the show actually meant us to see Leland as innocent and Bob as solely responsible.

(And I haven't rewatched those episodes, nor intend to, but I do remember the photo scene and Sarah insisting on Leland's innocence in words, too.)

Date: 2007-12-09 08:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
But I'd take that as a classic "wife refusing to admit that husband is an abuser".

I've only seen Fire Walk With Me once, but I did think that made Leland's guilt much more clear (especially, as you say, the scene where he tells Teresa that she's like his Laura while they're in bed).

And come to think of it, in Episode 16, Laura simply says "My father killed me", doesn't she? Admittedly saying "Bob did it" would be unhelpful at that point, but she could have said something like "Bob acting through my father", though it would have sounded rather silly. As it is, she makes a clear and simple accusation, and it's the most powerful one possible.

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