or for that matter Catholic (!) Cousin Mary Queen of Scots her successor
Ohh, right! I do remember from Game of Queens that Mary Queen of Scots was sort of a walking disaster, but to have even that trump the Catholicism...
(In)famously, one of the nobleman Henry sends to his oldest daughter to make that clear tells Mary that if she was his daughter, he'd smash her head to the wall "like a boiled apple" for her disobedience. (In fiction, this man is invariably the Duke of Norfolk, since he was one of the men and was just the kind of jerk to say something like this, but in truth we don't know which one said it. Just that it was said, courtesy of Thomas Cromwell receiving a report of it.) This is when Mary caves, which she'll never forgive herself for, and acknowledges her father's supremacy.
Oh nooooo :( (And, he's her dad :( )
and her attempt to turn it all back to how it was when she was a child so that she saves her subject's souls and redeems her own moment of weakness (as she sees it) can't be done without using more and more violence.
Ah, right -- I knew some of this but not about that "moment of weakness," which just makes everything worse :(
When she dies, she knows that her attempt to make England Catholic again has failed, as Elizabeth sure as hell won't continue in this vein, her marriage has failed, and the people have gone from loving and supporting her to hating her.
Oh no! :(
But it's very easy to imagine Mary, if just a few things in her life had turned out differently, or she had lived in a previous century, becoming a beloved Queen instead of a reviled one.
What are the few things you have in mind?
And thanks for the vids - the one about the Mary & Elizabeth relationship was especially moving.
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or for that matter Catholic (!) Cousin Mary Queen of Scots her successor
Ohh, right! I do remember from Game of Queens that Mary Queen of Scots was sort of a walking disaster, but to have even that trump the Catholicism...
(In)famously, one of the nobleman Henry sends to his oldest daughter to make that clear tells Mary that if she was his daughter, he'd smash her head to the wall "like a boiled apple" for her disobedience. (In fiction, this man is invariably the Duke of Norfolk, since he was one of the men and was just the kind of jerk to say something like this, but in truth we don't know which one said it. Just that it was said, courtesy of Thomas Cromwell receiving a report of it.) This is when Mary caves, which she'll never forgive herself for, and acknowledges her father's supremacy.
Oh nooooo :( (And, he's her dad :( )
and her attempt to turn it all back to how it was when she was a child so that she saves her subject's souls and redeems her own moment of weakness (as she sees it) can't be done without using more and more violence.
Ah, right -- I knew some of this but not about that "moment of weakness," which just makes everything worse :(
When she dies, she knows that her attempt to make England Catholic again has failed, as Elizabeth sure as hell won't continue in this vein, her marriage has failed, and the people have gone from loving and supporting her to hating her.
Oh no! :(
But it's very easy to imagine Mary, if just a few things in her life had turned out differently, or she had lived in a previous century, becoming a beloved Queen instead of a reviled one.
What are the few things you have in mind?
And thanks for the vids - the one about the Mary & Elizabeth relationship was especially moving.