True. I see too many people trying to shove them into the 'villian' box. And it may turn out that they are the villians, but I think Ron Moore would disagree with that -- especially now -- and so would I. And I think that's part of the frustration of the audience that doesn't like them.

Someday I want to really do an essay about the villians in DS9 and then the 'villians' in BSG. Except that the baddies on DS9 were always bad -- except for Damar. And the 'baddies' on BSG don't seem bad so much as they seem like they can't live to the standards of what narrative demands of a 'good' character.