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selenak ([personal profile] selenak) wrote2016-02-09 10:36 am

Various

So The Good Wife is finally coming to an end? Two seasons too late for me to care, but it was once an amazing show.

New Civil War trailer: so I was hoping that movie would resolve my Bucky problem, to whit, that I'm indifferent to the character beyond a mild "gosh, what an awful brainwashed life", and indeed I'm starting to have Bucky feelings, but unfortunately, they're all negative ones. I'm completely invested in the wrong sidekick in this movie, because when I watched the trailer and they showed that close up on unconscious/dead Rhodey again, my instinctive feeling was "feel free to tear anyone apart who did this, Tony, especially if it's bloody Bucky; die, Bucky, die die die!". I still cling to the hope they won't kill off Rhodey in a non-Iron Man movie, of course, but my emotional investment here is solidly on Team Iron Man so far. Unless Natasha is a double again, which I really hope she won't be, because Natasha faking being on the registration side of things as a mole for Steve would be predictable and not emotionally interesting at all, whereas Natasha fighting on Tony's side because, much as she cares about him, she truly believes Steve is wrong in this matter is exactly the kind of angst and character progress I'm looking for. Natasha, post Red Room, has gone from just out for yourself to fighting for specific people she's loyal to, to caring about the right and wrong of causes beyond "are they represented by people I care about?", and ironically I think the friendship with Steve helped her with that. Ditto her relationship with Clint - who is on Steve's side - and all this makes me majorly invested in Natasha NOT being a mole but having made the monumental decision of going against her best friends because she truly believes they are doing the wrong thing. To use an Harry Potter comparison: what Neville does in the first novel and which Dumbledore later calls an example of the highest courage, the thing Remus Lupin never could do back in Marauders versus Snape time. Standing up for your principles against bad tyrants takes courage, yes, but standing up for your principles against your dearest friends? The hardest thing of all.

(It helps that I do think superheroes should be accountable to someone who aren't other superheroes. Not insane military generals, obviously, but definitely some institution.)

Black Sails not having much of a fandom on lj or dw, I'm driven to check out the dark side tumblr now and then, and predictably, this irritates me into the need to vent:



1.) Boo, hiss, on anyone complaining about Flint's grief for Miranda being "Thomas erasure" or "heteronormative retconning" or what not. Because canon does so much better with this OT3 than a good deal of fanfiction, which had Flint caring for Miranda only as a living reminder of Thomas. Thus falling into the classic fanfic m/m/f pattern where the woman only gets to be an encouraging Yenta and at best gets to get off at the sight of the guys making out with each other. Whereas Black Sails provided me with my canonical threesome in every sense, where all three truly deeply cared about each other in every direction, not a triangle with two only invested in a third, not each other. Of course Thomas - and losing Thomas - was a big, big element in the relationship between James and Miranda. But they lived together for a decade after losing Thomas. We don't know how long Thomas and Miranda had been married before encountering James McGraw, but that's certainly far longer than James ever knew Thomas (which was at best a year or so). And Thomas never "met" Flint, never saw James' dark side, whereas Miranda was present for its birth (and partially responsible because she wanted revenge for Thomas, too, which was why she insisted on coming to South Carolina as well to be judged, remember). She was the only character on Black Sails so far who knew both James McGraw and James Flint, who saw the best and worst of him in equal. Just, btw, as he knew both Lady Hamilton and Miranda Barlow. That was what their mutual "I recognize you" in the last but one episode of the previous season had been about, remember? So Flint grieving for Miranda as Miranda, not just as "my last living link to Thomas", is earned.

2.) Billy/Flint shippers seem to be pretty confident their ship will become canon this season. Which isn't impossible, because this is the show which does on screen m/m, but I wish people wouldn't resort to the "if it doesn't, TPTB are selling out gay rights because the only blow for m/m to be struck is this ship becoming canon". Just say that you want Billy/Flint because you like both characters, not because it's important for social justice, or else you beg for the follow up question "so if Flint/another male character" gets to be canon instead, you'd be fine with it as well?

3.) Anyone condemning Eleanor for working with Rodgers: feel free to volunteer for hanging in a similar situation. As for her getting him to single out Charles Vane as the one who doesn't get a pardon but gets a bounty on his head instead: methinks Eleanor got the message last season when Vane killed her father and said they would meet again loud and clear. She never was a nice person and always favoured the "strike first" approach.

Lastly, trying to find good Clone Wars inspired stories reminds me how many badly spelled and/or badly written fanfiction is out there. Good lord. Thankfully, there are a few bright lights.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2016-02-09 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Me three on Reylo, especially because people anti-it seem to think that everyone should just ship Rey/Finn instead, completely overlooking that people WANT to ship hero/antagonist. That's the point of the ship! Rey/Finn has many fine qualities, but they are on the same side.

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally agree. I'm a non-shipper, it doesn't get much more against fandom trends than that. And I always have to explain, that, no, I have nothing against shipping, I just literally don't get it, because I'm usually believed to be hostile towards shippers. Sometimes, you just want to do your thing, without it having any hidden agenda.

That doesn't mean that all these trends - erasing characters of colour, bashing female characters, being only interested in queer characters when they are male, white, or young and hot - don't exist in fandom and in shipper circles especially. But saying that you cannot like any characters who are like that, because that automatically means you don't like characters who aren't male, white, etc is an incredibly reductive way of looking at the issue.

But yes, any form of communication is likely better for discussing it than yelling at each other on tumblr.

Naturally!

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I do like the trend of shipping Rey/Finn/Poe together! (Also, does nobody get shipped with Gwendoline Christie's character? You'd think she would draw pairings to herself like light draws moths.)
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[personal profile] fallingtowers 2016-02-09 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I've ever seen so much moral outrage over two people who are 18 and 24 and have yet to even hold hands.

Let me guess -- the age difference basically makes it pedophilia?

*snerk*

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Congratulations, you've won the jackpot! (I do so much facepalming in that fandom.)
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
This is my hope on the 'Rhodey's not dead' front. The MCU trailers have been clever about not revealing big things up to this point, so I think there must be more to it than Rhodey filling the role Bill Foster did in comics Civil War.

I also am a bit put off by all the people complaining about Tony claiming he and Steve were friends, and this clearly being untrue because -- we haven't seen the first act of the movie yet, which is presumably where such a relationship would be established narratively because that's how movies work...? Of course I'm also put off by the idea that they have hated each other in the previous movies, because that's not what I see.
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
There's been a general trend over the last few years where it seems like there's a dearth of meta on any topics BUT social justice & while I think lots of conversations re: what media says about race, general, power structures, etc are brilliant, others are positive/neutral/not for me, I miss just having interesting conversations about characterization and craft.
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[personal profile] fallingtowers 2016-02-09 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I miss those kinds of discussions a lot, too. Sometimes I feel that we now have the fandom bizarroworld where someone said, "gee, I wish fandom would be more aware of stuff like sexism or racism" and the wish was granted by an evil genie.

Obvious disclaimer: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any fandom conversations on the topic, but the way they are conducted now, I'm not inclined to participate in any of them. I'm even burned out on my evil Cishet White Lady Feminism, and I just want to talk about, dunno, character foils or color symbolism or whatever.
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
So true.
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[personal profile] saturnofthemoon 2016-02-09 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Just out of curiosity, was this Supergirl or Agent Carter? I've seen reactions like that in both fandoms.
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[personal profile] saturnofthemoon 2016-02-09 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe it's Cora and Rumplestiltskin from OUAT. Good to see you're still around, weewarrior.

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah! I never got that far on OUAT, I'm afraid.

Oh, thanks! Apparently, I keep coming back. It's so much nicer here. (I also keep forgetting I've used this name as weewarrior here, too. I'll try to hold onto the current version.)

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Me, too. I vividly remember one conversation about memory sequences, where someone claimed that a white male character was treated favourably by the narrative over the POC main character because the former's memory was filmed in a more straightforward way. After which I tried to explain that there are different modes of storytelling which aren't necessarily hierarchically ordered in terms of what makes the most sense on the surface. I don't think she got it. That conversation depressed me.
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[personal profile] saturnofthemoon 2016-02-09 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, I've only seen 4 episodes of OUAT. I just know it through fannish osmosis and Selenak's are too tempting to read even if I don't know the fandom. I was weirdofromafar/yetanothermask on LJ and it's nice to know we're keeping up the tradition of discussing things in other people's journals. :)

[personal profile] wee_warrior 2016-02-09 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, I knew the email on your profile page looked familiar! *waves*

And, erm, yes. Seems we still do that. Sorry, Selenak! That's how I kept up with OUAT too, but I didn't recognize Young(?) Cora or Rumple in that image
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[personal profile] jesuswasbatman 2016-02-09 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. I mean, there are things which I saw in fandom in the early 2000s that I am very, very glad, would get far more negative reactions now. For example, an essay on how mundane-AU fics often seemed to relegate black characters, who were in canon significant figures and equals to the fic's main pairing, to cameos in menial positions, being linked to in a high-profile venue with "So now 'barista' is racist code, apparently?". Or a very vocal faction in a fandom deciding that it was racist to disapprove of a white man premeditatedly stalking and killing a black woman, because *metaphorically* in their reading of the show's mythology he represented the oppressed black man and she the murderously racist white power structure.

But I really wish you didn't get the constant wishing of painful death on creators, not as a genuinely spontaneous reaction but as a ritual to prove that you aren't soft on bigotry. Or the whole "the creators are homophobic unless MY PERSONAL SHIP gets canonised and made happily 'endgame'". The latter applied to Regina/Emma shipping gets me feeling unfairly negative towards slash itself, because it seems the reverse of progressive to me to take two complex and three-dimensional female characters in a messy situation, and reduce the complicated emotions between them to "they fight because they don't want to admit they have sexual tension" and argue that the only reason why they haven't slept together yet must be because the writers are trying in bad faith to attract a femslash fandom without depicting a same-sex relationship.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2016-02-09 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Jessica Jones, but I've heard comment on Agent Carter as well. I'm not really in Supergirl fandom.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2016-02-09 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I just rewatched AoU where they were fighting like cats and dogs for much of it, and even then it wasn't that they hated each other, at least that wasn't the vibe I got. It was that they didn't agree on things, and argued about that. Like people do, even when they like each other.

The scene at the end actually made me ship them, which very little in the movies have done, as they seemed to be getting on so well that. Especially given Tony's slightly skewed relationship standards, it is totally basis for a friendship.

But now, half of my tumblr dash is screaming blue murder because Bucky and Steve are being *mean* to Tony, and the other half is accusing Tony of being a Nazi, basically.

Like you said in another thread. I miss meta.
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[personal profile] saturnofthemoon 2016-02-09 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I meant to say Selenak's entries are too tempting to resist. (Bad habit of skipping words)

So, what are you up to these days fannishly? Maybe we should take this to PM or e-mail instead of flooding Selenak's inbox?
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)

To be fair, there was a lot of that around comics Civil War too. But at least some of that was about stuff that actually happened in the comics, not wild speculation based on what is, at the end of the day, advertising.

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[personal profile] muccamukk 2016-02-09 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That is true. I remember someone on cap_ironman making very strange argument about causal history and blaming the whole thing on poor Maria Hill.

It may be why I'm already so tired of this. It wasn't fun the first time. #TeamPoorlyWritten.
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)

Nope!

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[personal profile] muccamukk 2016-02-09 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Though the "So that was stupid; let's write fixit fic!" gang was fun.
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[personal profile] likeadeuce 2016-02-09 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)

That gang, consisting of fangirls + Christos Gage

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