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Star Trek: Discovery 3.09
In which David Cronenberg expositions, and Georgiou finds out what it's like to star in a TNG/Angel: The Series crossover.
More specifically, in the episodes Tapestry (TNG) and Darla (Angel), both favourites of mine. Now the entity naming himself "Carl" who enables an in danger of dying Georgiou a trip back to her universe and her past on a crucial day of same may or may not be a member of the Q, but he sure feels like he is. And like Angel trying to live the Angelus life with Darla in China, Georgiou finds out she really can't go home again, not emotionally, because she did change.
It's only the first part,so I should be cautious, but seriously, I love what we got so far. They're really taking the Emperor and her past seriously this season (quips or not). As I said last week, Mirrorverse Philippa's and Primeverse's Michael started with them projecting their respective counterparts and their failure to save them on each other, but it didn't stop there and has evolved since then.Georgiou being Georgiou, it's entirely ic fo her to insisting that it's still all about "her" Michael, so I should have seen coming where that door would lead her. And much as camp and the Mirrorverse are each other's friends, Discovery still continues to impress me with the best use of it since the original TOS episode. Not least with the acting. Because both Mirror Michael and Mirror Tilly, neither of whom we met back in s1, are played by their respective actresses slightly different from how the Primeverse versions impersonated these characters. Colder, for starters. The difference isn't obvious enough that the Mirrorverse people should have noticed it immediately, but it's there. And I can't think of a more quick and efficient way to show that Mirrorverse Georgiou did change than to have "her" Michael make the same kind of callous Kelpians-for-dinner remarks (and actions) the Emperor did and have Michelle Yeoh do some facial acting to show not funny Georgiou finds that now. Followed up by her first saving random Kelpian Slave No.3 and then Saru from dinner fate. This is important because Georgiou doesn't love either Saru or any other Kelpians. Her ability to love isn't what can redeem her - she had that already while committing genocide. But that she's now able to see the personhood in her former victims, much as she doesn't want to, can't unsee it anymore and can't ignore it, either, that's actual character development. (Also, it's important all this happens without Primverse Michael being present. This story - or at least what it looks like this story is for now - would not work if Georgiou were acting restrained by her complicated emotions about Primeverse Michael.)
Mind you, I doubt this will end well for Georgiou, any more than her showing mercy to Mirrorverse Michael at the end; at a guess, in the next part Killy and the rest of the Mirroverse gang will have decided that the Emperor is weak now, and there will the a second coup (with or without Lorca showing up - I mean, I doubt they could have kept it secret if Jason Isaacs had been near the set, but you never know) dethroning the Emperor all over again, with her returning to the Primeverse, this time on her own free will. Morover, it didn't escape my notice David Cronenberg has provided us with a reason why Georgiou needs to return to the past (if not the Mirrorverse) that explains why the Georgiou spin-off is still scheduled to happen despite her being on Discovery in the future (for now). Again, at a guess: "Carl" will transport Georgiou back to the 22nd century (Primeverse edition) by the time we end this storyline, where she's then set on a shady path to redemption.
Meanwhile in the future: the Starfleet vessel which originated the distress callnot being a version of Discovery did surprise me; I'm intrigued to see the Kelpian Captain, and Saru's reaction brings home again how finding out that in the future a) the Kelpians had joined the Federation, but b) have now mostly disappeared at least as far as the Federation knows impacted him. Finding out more about the Kelpians along with the Burn is an unexpected bonus.
More specifically, in the episodes Tapestry (TNG) and Darla (Angel), both favourites of mine. Now the entity naming himself "Carl" who enables an in danger of dying Georgiou a trip back to her universe and her past on a crucial day of same may or may not be a member of the Q, but he sure feels like he is. And like Angel trying to live the Angelus life with Darla in China, Georgiou finds out she really can't go home again, not emotionally, because she did change.
It's only the first part,so I should be cautious, but seriously, I love what we got so far. They're really taking the Emperor and her past seriously this season (quips or not). As I said last week, Mirrorverse Philippa's and Primeverse's Michael started with them projecting their respective counterparts and their failure to save them on each other, but it didn't stop there and has evolved since then.Georgiou being Georgiou, it's entirely ic fo her to insisting that it's still all about "her" Michael, so I should have seen coming where that door would lead her. And much as camp and the Mirrorverse are each other's friends, Discovery still continues to impress me with the best use of it since the original TOS episode. Not least with the acting. Because both Mirror Michael and Mirror Tilly, neither of whom we met back in s1, are played by their respective actresses slightly different from how the Primeverse versions impersonated these characters. Colder, for starters. The difference isn't obvious enough that the Mirrorverse people should have noticed it immediately, but it's there. And I can't think of a more quick and efficient way to show that Mirrorverse Georgiou did change than to have "her" Michael make the same kind of callous Kelpians-for-dinner remarks (and actions) the Emperor did and have Michelle Yeoh do some facial acting to show not funny Georgiou finds that now. Followed up by her first saving random Kelpian Slave No.3 and then Saru from dinner fate. This is important because Georgiou doesn't love either Saru or any other Kelpians. Her ability to love isn't what can redeem her - she had that already while committing genocide. But that she's now able to see the personhood in her former victims, much as she doesn't want to, can't unsee it anymore and can't ignore it, either, that's actual character development. (Also, it's important all this happens without Primverse Michael being present. This story - or at least what it looks like this story is for now - would not work if Georgiou were acting restrained by her complicated emotions about Primeverse Michael.)
Mind you, I doubt this will end well for Georgiou, any more than her showing mercy to Mirrorverse Michael at the end; at a guess, in the next part Killy and the rest of the Mirroverse gang will have decided that the Emperor is weak now, and there will the a second coup (with or without Lorca showing up - I mean, I doubt they could have kept it secret if Jason Isaacs had been near the set, but you never know) dethroning the Emperor all over again, with her returning to the Primeverse, this time on her own free will. Morover, it didn't escape my notice David Cronenberg has provided us with a reason why Georgiou needs to return to the past (if not the Mirrorverse) that explains why the Georgiou spin-off is still scheduled to happen despite her being on Discovery in the future (for now). Again, at a guess: "Carl" will transport Georgiou back to the 22nd century (Primeverse edition) by the time we end this storyline, where she's then set on a shady path to redemption.
Meanwhile in the future: the Starfleet vessel which originated the distress callnot being a version of Discovery did surprise me; I'm intrigued to see the Kelpian Captain, and Saru's reaction brings home again how finding out that in the future a) the Kelpians had joined the Federation, but b) have now mostly disappeared at least as far as the Federation knows impacted him. Finding out more about the Kelpians along with the Burn is an unexpected bonus.
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In a podcast back in May (25 years ago), he said something about having 'done Star Trek again recently'. But he could have been spilling the beans, or just garbling his words and meaning, 'Getting back to my Star Trek work which we were just discussing'.
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Yes, it was very interesting to see Georgiou returned to her lofty universe, only to find a certain distaste for the world she helped mold. It’s making me want more of Joann though, I really loved her acting choices in regards to Georgiou. It does appear she’ll be in the forefront against the Emperess in the next episode.
I didn’t care for the retcon with Stamets though. He was alive and well earlier, so clearly not directly involved in the coup the first go around.
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Speaking of retcons, though, not on a Doylist but Watsonian level, I think we can see her that when the Emperor in s1 insisted that Lorca had corrupted her Michael and was to blame for Michael betraying her, she was kidding herself. Mirror Michael is what the Emperor made her, disdain for anyone not herself included. And that's something the current Philippa, who knows what Michael Burnham can be like when not being raised by her, has to face now.
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Yes! Halfway through I thought to myself that damn, they are so great at using the mirror!verse and it's such fun to watch. It feels relevant to the characters and taken seriously in a way it just didn't in other shows. (If they manage to thematically tie it into the current situation of the Federation in some small way next episode, that'd be the icing on the cake, but I'm also entirely fine with it as an exloration of the Emperor's character and her relationship with Michael.)
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Agreed!
I also think that Carl smacked of the Continuum.