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Heroes 1.19, ".07 %"
Clearly, I need a Heroes icon. This one comes from the source that's clearly the inspiration for the Linderman part of this episode. (Alan Moore's Watchmen, which anyone who hasn't read it yet needs to check out.)
Okay, that was awesome, and I'm so rewatching it as soon as I've typed my review and read what everyone else had to say, real life be dammed. I loved all the various plot threads here, though admittedly the Petrellis a bit more.
But first: Mr. Bennet shows that becoming a White Hat for the sake of his daughter has not reduced his intelligence and is so smart and capable and in charge when he's organizing his own jailbreak that I'm swooning. Also, Matt wisely recognizes that he needs to leave the planning to Bennet, and apparantly exploding the Bennet home has made Ted somewhat clearer in the head, too, so he listens to Matt and Bennet both. Yay for team jailbreak!
We didn't see the DL and Jessica scene in the previouslies before, but never mind, it was good we saw it now, because Jessica's "Im not sure" confirms my opinion that Jessica isn't actually a separate entity but that Niki, due to what happened to her and her actual twin sister at the hand of their father, did develop multiple personalities disorder. Also, Jessica standing her ground with Linderman and protecting Micah thankfully helped blurring the good/bad divide with her and Niki further, which I'm all for, and I think that now that Linderman has used Candace to get Micah, Jessica and Niki will work together voluntarily and will start to integrate.
Linderman: like I said, he clearly has read Alan Moore and thinks he's Ozymandias, or rather, that he can set up Nathan to be Ozymandias for him. Seriously, Kring and co. should consider paying Moore royalties, because the former League of Heroes with it all going sour? Check. Big catastrophe killing lots of people in NY turning out to be masterplan of former hero to achieve world peace? Check. I don't mind at all, if it's such a stylish homage. Plus of course we'll get not just one but two twists on the concept. Watchmen ends with Ozymandias having suceeded and the surviving heroes reluctantly agreeing not to expose him because otherwise everyone will have died in vain and the cold war (this comic was written in the early 80s) will be back with a vengeance.... but the last panel shows that the truth about Ozymandias will actually come out anyway. On Heroes, next week, it looks like we'll get the future where Linderman's plan did succeed, and it looks like it's the Heroes version of the Wishverse, with everyone evil or desperate or both (whoever visited a future where everyone was fine and dandy?); on the show proper, presumably something else will happen, and I can't wait to find out. Anyway, Linderman not as a I WANNA DESTROY/RULE THE WORLD type of villain but as a twisted messiah is of course far more interesting; we have Sylar already to be our psychopath. More about him in a moment, but first, Linderman and Nathan: great temptation scene. I'll get to Nathan's reaction there and later when I talk about the Petrellis, but here I want to say, the "you must bring all your first dates here" line from Nathan reminded me of how he asked Niki in Collision - after she told him her husband had left - whether it was for another woman or another man. For a presumably conservative politician, he's refreshingly non-repressed in this regard.
Linderman is now short of one painter delivering pictures, of course, and will have to show his future first dates other things. Isaac went out with dignity and courage, ordering his affairs through the episode, having meta conversations (no spoilers!) and using his abilities to the last to warn the others. Isaac, you could screw up terribly through your life, but the way you faced your imminent and cruel death was truly admirable. Rest in peace. (And was it me, or was there a hint he was satisfied that Sylar was now stuck with the precognition? Because you know, seeing the future? Not such a fun thing, as Isaac already knows and Sylar will probably find out.)
...but really, the heart and soul of this episode? OMG Petrellis and Claire. Wait, I also have to say something about Mohinder before I get to them, I guess; good for him to use the opportunity to knock out Sylar and save Peter from brain suckage, not so good for him that he's still pretty but dumb and invariably prone to trust the next villain to come along. Have fun working with the Company, Mohinder.
Sylar-Peter showdown, first round: really cool. Creative use of their various powers, and a promise of things to come.
...and now I really can't restrain myself any longer. PETRELLIS!
Angela Petrelli: got to show the whole spectrum from ruthless manipulator to wounded mother. Her argument to Claire made absolute sense and is probably true (which doesn't mean she's not using it manipulatively), and of course, oohhhhhh, such intriguing revelations. So Angela was probably in that league Linderman founded when young, along with the late Daddy Petrelli. What is her power? My current guess is shared/precognitive dreams, as that's the one Peter displays first chronologically (in the Six Months Ago flashback when Nathan and Heidi have the "accident"), before flying. And why didn't she tell either son - did she think they would never get active?
Petrelli family dysfunction observation the first: Angela, when alone with Peter, can show her grief in that beautiful breakdown moment. Later on, when Nathan has his own breakdown, she's unable to communicate with him other than through appealing to his inner politician, the ruthless survivor, and that just doesn't work there.
Claire: is quick to realize her grandmother is not a nice old lady but the Godmother herself who could teach Don Corleone a thing or two. Is so expecting rejection and breaks my heart with it, continues to be brave and smart, and you've got to love how they set up ages ago that Claire knows, but everyone else doesn't (except we the audience, of course), that something in hers or Peter's head stops the regeneration and means temporary death.
Nathan and Peter. Peter and Nathan. I was so glued on my viewscreen. During his temptation scene with Linderman, you can see that Nathan does understand where Linderman is getting at with the Watchmen plan, and even if he thinks it insane at first, he can see the potential, the rewards, he is that morally grey himself... but it all hinges on Peter dying, and that does it. It's not the 0.07 percent of the world population dying that's unacceptable, but Peter dying, and he just can't go there. So he walks out.
And then we get him finding his (temporary) dead brother, the unacceptable has happened, and everything else is pointless. That scene, with Nathan cradling Peter, it just kills me. So does the post resurrection scene, which is the physical reverse - they don't touch once, which is rare for the Petrellis, and you can see the shifting power dynamics here as well as Nathan letting his guard down verbally, with a conscious Peter. Love declarations when Peter is in a coma are one thing, but "I don't know who I am without you" when awake? And Peter, with a new zen, plays the role of walking conscience quite differently now: instead of "I want", you get "you have to, and you are".
Peter, however, is unaware that one pit of information makes a crucial difference here. "Lucky I can't die then." And there it is. Not when Linderman makes the suggestion, but THAT is when Nathan starts to fall for the Ozymandias plan. If he has the guarantee that Peter won't die, then getting to be President, new era, by the not stopping the death of 0.07 percent of the world population is acceptable.
The great thing about Nathan's characterisation is that you really can see him go both ways at this point, and like I said above, I suspect we will literaly see him go both ways on the show, first one, then (presumably, unless he dies in the finale, which I really don't want him to) the other. Whereas with all the other characters their decision would not be a question.
The symbol of the bloody shard when Nathan looks at it in the end, and uses it to open the painting Linderman send him: the shard as the cause of Peter's temporary death and the promise of his resurrection and survival both.
Nathan and Claire: I'm glad the way they're playing this, not as competition to Claire's bond to Mr. Bennet, who is her real father in all ways that count, but as something quite different, but also very interesting. He tries not to lie to her, and yet there is one big lie in what he says - not the promise of a family after the election but that what he looks at, the shard and the painting; he's not just sending her out of New York because of the reasons he gives but because of what is going to happen. I'm also reminded of his conversation with Niki about having to wear two faces, one for one's children and the real one, and the conversation Nathan and Niki had later, the day after: about wanting to be good. Not wanting to be the person in the mirror. Nathan, telling Claire he wants to be good, wants to be better than what he was, is sincere and is lying to both himself and her at the same time because at this very point he has started to believe that he can do that via first doing - or rather, permitting - something terrible.
I love this show.
Okay, that was awesome, and I'm so rewatching it as soon as I've typed my review and read what everyone else had to say, real life be dammed. I loved all the various plot threads here, though admittedly the Petrellis a bit more.
But first: Mr. Bennet shows that becoming a White Hat for the sake of his daughter has not reduced his intelligence and is so smart and capable and in charge when he's organizing his own jailbreak that I'm swooning. Also, Matt wisely recognizes that he needs to leave the planning to Bennet, and apparantly exploding the Bennet home has made Ted somewhat clearer in the head, too, so he listens to Matt and Bennet both. Yay for team jailbreak!
We didn't see the DL and Jessica scene in the previouslies before, but never mind, it was good we saw it now, because Jessica's "Im not sure" confirms my opinion that Jessica isn't actually a separate entity but that Niki, due to what happened to her and her actual twin sister at the hand of their father, did develop multiple personalities disorder. Also, Jessica standing her ground with Linderman and protecting Micah thankfully helped blurring the good/bad divide with her and Niki further, which I'm all for, and I think that now that Linderman has used Candace to get Micah, Jessica and Niki will work together voluntarily and will start to integrate.
Linderman: like I said, he clearly has read Alan Moore and thinks he's Ozymandias, or rather, that he can set up Nathan to be Ozymandias for him. Seriously, Kring and co. should consider paying Moore royalties, because the former League of Heroes with it all going sour? Check. Big catastrophe killing lots of people in NY turning out to be masterplan of former hero to achieve world peace? Check. I don't mind at all, if it's such a stylish homage. Plus of course we'll get not just one but two twists on the concept. Watchmen ends with Ozymandias having suceeded and the surviving heroes reluctantly agreeing not to expose him because otherwise everyone will have died in vain and the cold war (this comic was written in the early 80s) will be back with a vengeance.... but the last panel shows that the truth about Ozymandias will actually come out anyway. On Heroes, next week, it looks like we'll get the future where Linderman's plan did succeed, and it looks like it's the Heroes version of the Wishverse, with everyone evil or desperate or both (whoever visited a future where everyone was fine and dandy?); on the show proper, presumably something else will happen, and I can't wait to find out. Anyway, Linderman not as a I WANNA DESTROY/RULE THE WORLD type of villain but as a twisted messiah is of course far more interesting; we have Sylar already to be our psychopath. More about him in a moment, but first, Linderman and Nathan: great temptation scene. I'll get to Nathan's reaction there and later when I talk about the Petrellis, but here I want to say, the "you must bring all your first dates here" line from Nathan reminded me of how he asked Niki in Collision - after she told him her husband had left - whether it was for another woman or another man. For a presumably conservative politician, he's refreshingly non-repressed in this regard.
Linderman is now short of one painter delivering pictures, of course, and will have to show his future first dates other things. Isaac went out with dignity and courage, ordering his affairs through the episode, having meta conversations (no spoilers!) and using his abilities to the last to warn the others. Isaac, you could screw up terribly through your life, but the way you faced your imminent and cruel death was truly admirable. Rest in peace. (And was it me, or was there a hint he was satisfied that Sylar was now stuck with the precognition? Because you know, seeing the future? Not such a fun thing, as Isaac already knows and Sylar will probably find out.)
...but really, the heart and soul of this episode? OMG Petrellis and Claire. Wait, I also have to say something about Mohinder before I get to them, I guess; good for him to use the opportunity to knock out Sylar and save Peter from brain suckage, not so good for him that he's still pretty but dumb and invariably prone to trust the next villain to come along. Have fun working with the Company, Mohinder.
Sylar-Peter showdown, first round: really cool. Creative use of their various powers, and a promise of things to come.
...and now I really can't restrain myself any longer. PETRELLIS!
Angela Petrelli: got to show the whole spectrum from ruthless manipulator to wounded mother. Her argument to Claire made absolute sense and is probably true (which doesn't mean she's not using it manipulatively), and of course, oohhhhhh, such intriguing revelations. So Angela was probably in that league Linderman founded when young, along with the late Daddy Petrelli. What is her power? My current guess is shared/precognitive dreams, as that's the one Peter displays first chronologically (in the Six Months Ago flashback when Nathan and Heidi have the "accident"), before flying. And why didn't she tell either son - did she think they would never get active?
Petrelli family dysfunction observation the first: Angela, when alone with Peter, can show her grief in that beautiful breakdown moment. Later on, when Nathan has his own breakdown, she's unable to communicate with him other than through appealing to his inner politician, the ruthless survivor, and that just doesn't work there.
Claire: is quick to realize her grandmother is not a nice old lady but the Godmother herself who could teach Don Corleone a thing or two. Is so expecting rejection and breaks my heart with it, continues to be brave and smart, and you've got to love how they set up ages ago that Claire knows, but everyone else doesn't (except we the audience, of course), that something in hers or Peter's head stops the regeneration and means temporary death.
Nathan and Peter. Peter and Nathan. I was so glued on my viewscreen. During his temptation scene with Linderman, you can see that Nathan does understand where Linderman is getting at with the Watchmen plan, and even if he thinks it insane at first, he can see the potential, the rewards, he is that morally grey himself... but it all hinges on Peter dying, and that does it. It's not the 0.07 percent of the world population dying that's unacceptable, but Peter dying, and he just can't go there. So he walks out.
And then we get him finding his (temporary) dead brother, the unacceptable has happened, and everything else is pointless. That scene, with Nathan cradling Peter, it just kills me. So does the post resurrection scene, which is the physical reverse - they don't touch once, which is rare for the Petrellis, and you can see the shifting power dynamics here as well as Nathan letting his guard down verbally, with a conscious Peter. Love declarations when Peter is in a coma are one thing, but "I don't know who I am without you" when awake? And Peter, with a new zen, plays the role of walking conscience quite differently now: instead of "I want", you get "you have to, and you are".
Peter, however, is unaware that one pit of information makes a crucial difference here. "Lucky I can't die then." And there it is. Not when Linderman makes the suggestion, but THAT is when Nathan starts to fall for the Ozymandias plan. If he has the guarantee that Peter won't die, then getting to be President, new era, by the not stopping the death of 0.07 percent of the world population is acceptable.
The great thing about Nathan's characterisation is that you really can see him go both ways at this point, and like I said above, I suspect we will literaly see him go both ways on the show, first one, then (presumably, unless he dies in the finale, which I really don't want him to) the other. Whereas with all the other characters their decision would not be a question.
The symbol of the bloody shard when Nathan looks at it in the end, and uses it to open the painting Linderman send him: the shard as the cause of Peter's temporary death and the promise of his resurrection and survival both.
Nathan and Claire: I'm glad the way they're playing this, not as competition to Claire's bond to Mr. Bennet, who is her real father in all ways that count, but as something quite different, but also very interesting. He tries not to lie to her, and yet there is one big lie in what he says - not the promise of a family after the election but that what he looks at, the shard and the painting; he's not just sending her out of New York because of the reasons he gives but because of what is going to happen. I'm also reminded of his conversation with Niki about having to wear two faces, one for one's children and the real one, and the conversation Nathan and Niki had later, the day after: about wanting to be good. Not wanting to be the person in the mirror. Nathan, telling Claire he wants to be good, wants to be better than what he was, is sincere and is lying to both himself and her at the same time because at this very point he has started to believe that he can do that via first doing - or rather, permitting - something terrible.
I love this show.
Re: Rambling reactions
I've decided that the beauty of the character is that not only is he capable of going both ways, we'll see him going both ways. And the fact he appears to go the Dictator!route in the future episode means, to me, that he ultimately will make the opposite decision on the show proper, though probably at the last minute (because that's a Nathan pattern so far, coming through at the last minute) - Babylon 5 aside (insert sobbing for Londo here), episodes showing us the future of our regular cast usually serve a warning purpose and mean they ultimately don't go there in the end. I have no problem being presented with Darkside Nathan as long as he remains shades of grey in "our" timeline.*g*
I was particularly freaked when Linderman used Peter's words: "Healing one person at a time is just not enough." I'm not sure what it actually signifies, but it was one of those things that gave me goosebumps.
I took it to mean that he's not lying to Nathan in one regard: he did start out as an idealist, just like Peter. If the webcomics are canon, this is true, but then, I'm usually an onscreen canon only girl.
Sylar about Mohinder: "I'm not finished with him yet." Yeah, I'll bet he isn't! ;)
That was such a "no touching of the boytoy, I still want to play some more!" moment!
I'm very amused by the double entendres they have Nathan making around Linderman -- first there was the 'eating zucchini' comment he made in the previous episode (not just a phallic vegetable, but an Italian phallic vegetable! They can NOT tell me the subtext is unintentional!), then the 'first dates' comment here!
They are so doing it intentionally. Also, observe Linderman whispering in Nathan's ear when he says "what if I told you that it was".
At least Peter didn't need to reassemble himself (I bet Claire HATES jigsaw puzzles now...)!
Oh yeah. Anyone giving Claire a jigsaw puzzle for Christmas will get smacked. Incidentally, and to be fair to the Pretty But Dumb One, he has no idea Peter can regenerate. As he wasn't allowed to study him. Which is Peter's fault for prefering lessons with Claude instead.*veg* So anyway, no surprise Mohinder didn't clue in on the glass shard.
And being able to set off an EMP is a fascinating talent. I'm hoping as they all get more used to their abilities, they'll find some more creative extrapolations of what each person can do.
Yes. It makes sense that initial uses of their powers would be the blunt and, in Ted's case, catastrophic kind, but note that long term power users like Linderman (that demonstration with the flower) and Claude are able to be far more subtle and focused about it.
And I'm not all that sure Mr. Petrelli is really Nathan's and/or Peter's father. I really hope that whoever is, they're still full brothers, though.
You mean Mrs. Petrelli might have had a fling with Linderman? Not impossible, but I doubt they'll play the two fathers card twice. Revealing Nathan as Claire's bio dad is one thing, but doing the "your biological father is really..." thing twice or thrice is soap opera-ish.
If you want to hear a really whacky theory, though, which
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...I have no problem being presented with Darkside Nathan as long as he remains shades of grey in "our" timeline.*g*
Oh true! Hadn't really thought that through -- since obviously Hiro will go back to try and fix things (and please, Hiro, fix it so Peter never, EVER kisses Jessica/Niki. Yecch! Sorry to anyone who likes the thought of that pairing, but an empath who's got Peter's issues really does not need to share hers!), that would work out well!
Re: Linderman:
I took it to mean that he's not lying to Nathan in one regard: he did start out as an idealist, just like Peter. If the webcomics are canon, this is true, but then, I'm usually an onscreen canon only girl.
I haven't even looked at those. One of these years I need to type up my rant about non-canon canon... Although I should download them just to have... Then again, I also want to buy a Vote Petrelli mug... :D
Incidentally, and to be fair to the Pretty But Dumb One, he has no idea Peter can regenerate. As he wasn't allowed to study him. Which is Peter's fault for prefering lessons with Claude instead.*veg*
Hee -- Pretty But Dumb One :) Personally, I'd take lessons with Claude over being a science experiment any day. There's just something inherently icky about the experimentation angle of it... And Claude is prickly but cute (something like a big cranky hedgehog...?)
So anyway, no surprise Mohinder didn't clue in on the glass shard.
This is true, but isn't the typical reaction to want to remove things sticking out of people when they're injured/dead? That's part of the reason why people die from stab wounds and such that they might have otherwise survived, etc. On the other hand, Mohinder didn't even close Peter's eyes, so maybe he spent all that time wrecking the computer, then didn't have time to do more than shove Peter into the cab before Sylar woke up again. (I won't even speculate on why he didn't just off Sylar/tie him up/SOMETHING while Sylar was unconscious -- obviously Sylar got under his skin too much for him to actually take that step... ;) )
It makes sense that initial uses of their powers would be the blunt and, in Ted's case, catastrophic kind, but note that long term power users like Linderman (that demonstration with the flower) and Claude are able to be far more subtle and focused about it.
We've seen Nathan break the sound barrier (he could really use the telekinesis or healing ability to land well from that -- owie feet!), Sylar's frighteningly fine-tuned telekinesis, Ted now figuring out how to do the EMP. This makes me very happy.
You mean Mrs. Petrelli might have had a fling with Linderman? Not impossible, but I doubt they'll play the two fathers card twice. Revealing Nathan as Claire's bio dad is one thing, but doing the "your biological father is really..." thing twice or thrice is soap opera-ish.
Oh, that's a thought. True.
And I am SO not going there on the other thing :) Brotherly incest I can handle much better than Father/son incest... It is an utterly twisted theory, though! (Do we know Nathan's that much older? I've been trying to pin it down, and have anywhere from 7 to 12 years between them...)
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*tongue in cheek* But consider! If the Jessica/Niki divide is tied to her superpower (which btw I don't believe, I think that came about separately, but just for the sake of messing with your mind, let's assume it is), and Jessica is actually Niki's dead twin sister, would that mean Peter echoing her power starts to manifest Nathan now and then?
On a more serious note: I have the theory that the Petrellis are partly inspired by the Kennedys. Which would make Niki Marilyn Monroe.
On a calming you down note: I don't think Niki and Peter are going to hook up on the show unless DL gets killed of, which of course he might, but I don't think so right now - he'd have gotten more screentime.
I also want to buy a Vote Petrelli mug...
I want a Vote Petrelli t-shirt! Re: webcomics, they're not a must, but an interesting addendum. This week's has some intriguing stuff about Future!Hiro, and why he wanted Peter to save Claire.
I won't even speculate on why he didn't just off Sylar/tie him up/SOMETHING while Sylar was unconscious -- obviously Sylar got under his skin too much for him to actually take that step... ;)
Clearly, Sylar wasn't the only one who "wasn't done" yet.
Do we know Nathan's that much older? I've been trying to pin it down, and have anywhere from 7 to 12 years between them...
We don't have on screen canon for Nathan's age; we do for Peter (26, says Mrs. Petrelli in Godsend). Again, if you count the comics you can make a close guess for Nathan, because in the Papa Petrelli meets Linderman tale, called "War Buddies", he has a letter from his wife saying "our son just took his first steps", and that comic is set in 1968. Which would fit with Adrian Pasdar's actual age. But they have room to maneuvre on the show, obviously - I'd say it's at least a decade between the brothers, though.
Re: Rambling reactions
I agree with you that the split isn't her actual ability -- I'm pretty sure the super strength is. I do believe that the horrible things their dad did (hinted at but never actually spelled out; I strongly suspect that there was sexual abuse as well as the general physical violence) to them caused the MPD, and that Niki created the Jessica persona so she didn't have to personally deal with the 'nastier' aspects of things. Jessica is her shield from the ugly parts of the world.
Still, I don't want Peter to get involved with her, because he's got a delicate enough mental balance of his own -- too much push in one direction and he could easily go the way Sylar did. I like him damaged and emo -- I don't want him completely broken.
But, the thought of Peter sometimes manifesting Nathan would be kind of cool :D
Re: their ages, excellent! Even though I usually completely ignore non-canon canon, if the webcomics give us that much info, I'll go with it :D I keep thinking I need to check on the dates of Bosnia, and then I forget to, so I'm going to do that right now! Okay, that was 1995 - 96, and if we go with the (again, non-canon canon) Vote Petrelli website, Nathan went into the Navy after college (and conceivably Law school, because he was a pilot in the Navy, not studying Law, and went into the Prosecutor's office after the Navy), so he'd definitely be somewhere around 36 - 40ish now. Works for me!