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selenak ([personal profile] selenak) wrote2013-05-25 08:33 am

S stands for...

So, next month, there will be a new Superman movie. The first trailer of which made me fear the worst with its GRIMDARK aura and Pa Kent seemingly suggesting his son should have let people die rather than show his powers, the second was better, putting more emphasis on hope, and also, it had Lois Lane, and the third has that advantage as well but still seems to go for a lot of Wagnerian pathos, not that surprising given we're talking about Zack Snyder as director and Christopher Nolan as producer. Which, um. Is not exactly how I like my Superman story told, with one particular exception.

Back in the 90s, when I first started to get into superheroes, Superman was the one who took a regular beating in discussions as the one who's boring, impossible to update because he's good and not ambiguous, only palpable in combination with someone who is ambiguous, like Batman, and what not. I can't say I had strong feelings on the subject - I had seen the first three Chistopher Reeve films in the 70s and 80s, but only once each, with no more emotional echo than mild interest. I had also read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller (aka the first one to feature Miller's Superman-is-a-tool-for-the-establishment interpretation). However, then came the tv show Lois & Clark, and lo and behold, affection was ignited. Looking back, not least because of one significant change Lois & Clark made in comparison to the Richard Donner films and also what bits and pieces of comics I'd read. While keeping the 40s screwball comedy set up of Clark Kent competing against himself-as-Superman for Lois' affections, it jettisoned the idea of Lois disdaining Clark while adoring Superman in favour of a narrative where while Lois initial' reaction to Clark is irritation (and initial reaction to Superman is being wowed), the two become (bickering) best friends and partners (as journalists) independent from Lois' Superman crush (and flirtations with other guys). In fact, looking back, Lois & Clark is perhaps the most successfull tv story with a falling-in-love-with-your-best-friend arc, not least because it shows us the the two of them becoming friends first. Lois and Clark sitting on the floor of her apartment eating pizza and talking their ears off is one of the images from the show that sticks with me and sums up the type of relationship they have.

Now, if Dean Cain's character is firmly anchored on the "Clark Kent is real, Superman is the mask" side of the interpretation (and also very unangsty; he's got no issues with being adopted or being an alien, and while he is in love with Lois before she's in love with him, he's not pining or stalking), this is, in fact, not the only only Superman interpretation which really managed to impress me and capture my fannish affections. And the other one which did is exactly on the opposite end of the spectrum, it's extremely dark and yet utterly plausible at the same time. Though the name Superman is not used at all, because we're talking about JMS' short lived Supreme Powers series which used some half forgotten Marvel characters which were transparent takes on the Justice League and rebooted them. The Superman character in Supreme Powers, Mark Milton/Hyperion, is basically the best take I can imagine if you really want to go for hardcore angst and a dark interpretion of "what would really happen if a superpowered alien baby crashlanded on Earth. He's found by a kindly couple, alright. Who keep him for all of a few hours before the goverment - who of course have registered the vessel he came in - take him. And the "kindly couple" who actually raises him in a Norman Rockwell idyll are goverment agents supervised on tv all the time, with the idyll taking place in a confined environment. (The emotional horror there for all parties is considerable. Because raising a toddler who could pulverize you with a look - not because he means to, as an accident in the course of a childish tantrum - is deeply scary, and so you understand why the agents who are Mark's "parents" are too afraid of him to love him, and are faking it all the time, which in turn when makes for a horrible truth waiting to be realised as Mark grows up.) Mark absorbs all-American-values and the idea that it's his duty to save the world not because he grows up in Kansas but because he's brainwashed and deliberately indoctrinated on a daily basis. Not just so he'll end up as the perfect goverment weapon but because - and this is important, as it makes things not black and white but complicated - the idea of a child, and later an adult of nearly unlimited powers is frightening, and so the generals arguing for this program aren't evil supervillains (though you can call them cold-blooded bastards), they have a point.

In the course of the series, Mark finds out his entire life was made up of lies, tries to quit working for the goverment, with the result that due to a calculated smear campaign, he goes from being the beloved superhero Hyperion to an evil Alien in the public's eye, and finally gets a team of other meta humans sent after him, survives various assassination attempts and finally arrives at the conclusion that beneficent dictatorship (of himself) is the only way to go; in short, the generals have created exactly the nightmare they were afraid of (not for nothing does JMS use quotes from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein as mottos for individual chapters). It's a pretty relentless tragedy, very compellingly written. (The Supreme Powers series then peters out in various spin-offs, but the first two trade volumes plus the Hyperion miniseries really are great storytelling.) It's also the ultimate in Superman-as-Alien-with-a-capital-A interpretation. (Also it probably says something about pop culture's response to the present that Superman for the longest time was the quintessential American dream - the stranger who arrives as a child and loves his country/planet of adoption wholehearteadly - and the closer we get to the present becomes the American nightmare - immigrant child ends up danger precisely because he was distrusted and contained from the start.) So yes - I'm able to go with that end of the spectrum, too.

However, based on the trailers and, um, the repertoire of the people involved, in seems to me the latest film might want to have the angst without thinking through the whys, wherefores and logical consequences. Or rather: do that annoying thing Nolan's Batman movies did where they seem to question the superhero premise but do really just the opposite. I.e. the problem isn't that the citizens of Gotham idolize the late Harvey Dent, it's that they don't idolize Batman, and once they do, the idolizing is just fine. So if Man of Steel is about how everyone responds paranoid to the idea of a superpowered alien but then once he's proven he's really a good guy everything is fine, well, that strikes me as a somewhat hollow compromise between the two different extremes of how you can tell this story.

Also: I'm about the 4045664th person to observe on this, I know, but one reason why the Marvel movies so far by and large are more enjoyable than their DC counterparts to me is that for all that Marvel delivers the angst, too, their heroes get to enjoy their superpowers as well. Now Batman being Batman, it's understandable that we don't have Bruce Wayne geeking out about how nifty he's made the Batmobile. But if there is one DC superhero who is really ideal for showing someone enjoying the their powers in between world saving, it's Superman. (Unless, again, you go for the superpowered-kid-could-accidentally-kill-us emotional horror of the Mark Milton interpretation.) There is one scene in the trailer where Superman takes flight which makes me hope they'll do at least a bit of that. But the rest of it makes me fear angst will outweigh the enjoyment by far.

And there is no reporter partnership in the trailer at all, woe. The scene with Lois in it intrigues me, but she's talking to not-yet-christened-Superman here, not to Clark. And with all the rest of the trailer emphasisizing the danger/shock of discovering there is an alien among us, I doubt the film will go for the Clark Kent, Reporter at the Daily Planet part of the myth at all. Which in turn makes me realize that what I really want from a Superman movie, and am not likely to get, is a big screen version of the first two seasons of Lois & Clark, not a superhero movie at all but the tale of two bantering reporters, one of whom has superpowers, fighting crime together. And that's my problem.
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[personal profile] watervole 2013-05-25 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
I have a sudden urge to rewatch Lois and Clark for exactly the reasons you mention.

Modern movies seem to want to go to extremes, all action and fast pacing and no time for anything else.

My favourite moment in the latest Star Trek was when McCoy and Spock swapped insults - all the in flight combat sequences were too much.
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[personal profile] rembrandtswife 2013-05-25 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very struck by what you say about Lois & Clark. I remember watching it with enjoyment, and liking Cain and Hatcher and particularly John Shea as Lex Luthor, who pointed out that a millionaire in the 1990s would certainly find a way to prevent or remedy baldness. *g* But it didn't make a huge impression on me; I don't remember a lot of details.

I think my stepdaughter's feelings about it are a lot closer to yours, as I suspect you two are close in age (mid-twenties, in her case). I think it was a formative show for her; when she was active on LJ, she had a couple of L&C icons. I spend a lot of time thinking about how the things we read and watch in our formative years shape who we are, how I can see in some writers' and directors' work that they watched the same shows I did as a kid. For example, the Austin Powers movies were obviously a James Bond spoof, but it was plain to me that Mike Meyers had watched The Avengers just as I did.

Anyway, I am rambling and will probably link my daughter to this post because I'd like to see her reaction.
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[personal profile] rembrandtswife 2013-05-25 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Aha, I had no idea that you were nearly my age--I'm 47. Somehow I assumed you were younger.

Your quotes reminded me that Lois was actually *a good reporter*, a really committed journalist. I liked the Reeve Superman films, but Margot Kidder's Lois was not exactly keen about her job. Is the show on Amazon or Netflix?
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[personal profile] jesuswasbatman 2013-05-25 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The big little-known influence on Austin Powers was the British show Jason King, which Doctor Who figures Dennis Spooner and Terry Nation both contributed to. If you look at Peter Wyngarde as King you can see that Austin was a direct and exact parody.
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[personal profile] jesuswasbatman 2013-05-25 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Also mentioning Lex Luthor brings back a slight realisation that I had yesterday, which is that Tony Stark is not, as some people suggest, the Marvel version of Bruce Wayne, but the good Marvel version of Lex Luthor. Or possibly, since when Tony Stark was created Lex was a pathetic mad scientist who spent almost all his time in jail, the later "respectable tycoon" version of Lex was an evil DC version of Tony.
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[personal profile] jesuswasbatman 2013-05-26 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What made me see it was reading an article about how the superhero genre is all about might-makes-right and power fantasy which in different parts attempted to argue in the same essay that Tony Stark is a hatefully privileged, smug bastard who is incapable of actually doing good, and that Lex Luthor is a scrappy underdog against Superman.
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[personal profile] grimorie 2013-05-25 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been so conflicted about the new superman movie (and visually, I hate the filters) but I miss Clark Kent, Reporter in all this trailers. They seem to focus so much on Clark the Hero and like you I miss the banter. IMO I began to like Smallville a lot more when it slowly focused more on Lois and Clark bantering and becoming reporters in the Daily Planet.

Also: I'm about the 4045664th person to observe on this, I know, but one reason why the Marvel movies so far by and large are more enjoyable than their DC counterparts to me is that for all that Marvel delivers the angst

This is exactly why I'm more a Marvel girl this days than a DC fan.
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[personal profile] grimorie 2013-05-25 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! It's very crucial and I'm just very sad that they're not going that route for this movie (unless its a surprise twist but somehow I doubt it...).

I love their banter as partners and Lois getting to know Clark that way and vice versa made them equals and the reason why I shipped them.
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[personal profile] skywaterblue 2013-05-26 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
That Clark thinks he can change the world by reporting on a war in some far off country, and not just through his superpowers, is more important to the character than the superpowers. That's why I don't have a lot of hope for any Nolan-backed Superman film. With the exception of Heath Ledger's magnetic performance in the second one, I've found them all miserably fascistic.

(The problem with the people of Gotham switching their allegiance from Harvey to Batman is that Harvey Dent in that film represents the democratic use of the justice system. Is there a way to have your cake and eat it too on that? I don't know, but the Nolan-Batman films don't do it and by the third film the Nolan-endorsed perspective on the idea of government is so bleak that I wanted to slit my wrists.)

In any event, I largely agree with this essay and will wait for a gestalt to form in fandom before seeing this.
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[personal profile] skywaterblue 2013-05-26 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It's sort of refreshing that for all of his right-wing lean, Orci of the new Trek Supreme Court seems to be strongly in favor of resisting any anti-heroics of the Trek crew. (I keep going back and forth on this film, sorry.)

I didn't see any of the Nolan Batfilms in theaters except for 'Dark Knight Returns' which I think basically says all about its appeal to me.
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[personal profile] skywaterblue 2013-05-26 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I rather wish that comics continuity had kept the kid, "Christopher Kent" as I thought that storyline was a great next step for Supes and Lois.
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[personal profile] kangeiko 2013-05-30 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
watching the trailer made me want to re-watch Lois & Clark desperately, as I'm so much more likely to enjoy it!!
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[personal profile] metanewsmods 2013-06-03 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, can we link this at [community profile] metanews?