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selenak ([personal profile] selenak) wrote2019-01-17 08:59 am

January Meme: Historical Doctor Who episodes I'd like to watch

Overall, more non-Britain based historical episodes. I’m aware of the budget problem, but really, I have no problem with Studios and GCI doubling as, say, Byzantium, and if DW still wants to do the educational thing, well, the last few years have demonstrated that maybe getting stories told from a non-British perspective, especially and including a historical one, is something severely lacking.

This being said, my first suggestion is actually a figure from British history: Aphra Behn, spy, Restoration playwright, poet and summed up by Virginia Woolf thusly: „"All women together ought to let flowers fall upon the tomb of Aphra Behn which is, most scandalously but rather appropriately, in Westminster Abbey, for it was she who earned them the right to speak their minds." The possibilities are for a meeting with the Doctor and friends are endless: young Aphra, travelling to Surinam? (Maybe Ryan gets involved in original Oronooko’s revolt?) Agent 160 Aphra, spying for Charles II in Antwerp? Playwrighth Aphra, wowing the London stage? (Maybe Yaz gets to be one of the first Restoration actresses?) Bring on the Restoration spy theatre adventure, I say.

Non-Britain-based ideas: Al Andalus, i.e. Muslim Spain, offers seven centuries of history and lots of colourful characters, male and female alike, of all three Abrahamic religions. (Also, bonus point if the Mosque of Cordova reminds Graham of the Mines of Moria, because that actually was the model, according to the Fellowship DVD.) I have a soft spot for the female Muslim poet Walada, the Jewish statesman Samuel Ibn Nagralla and of course Moses Maimonides, who all lived in different eras from each other, so if one of them makes it into the episode, that would be neat, but I’ll take any era, really.

Byzantium: good old Constantinople provides us with centuries of intrigue, coups, inner religious warfare and glorious architecture. If the Doctor should encounter a certain bearkeeper’s daughter, that could be fascinating, but Theodora isn’t the only interesting woman in Byzantine history. Bonus for someone from our gang getting to do a race in the circus.

Egypt: make Erimem tv canon speaking of centuries of history. As someone pointed out once, Cleopatra is closer to our present than she is to the building of the Pyramids of Gizeh. Considering a current member of the US government has gone on record stating those were build by Joseph of Biblical fame in order to store corn in, maybe an episode set around the building of any of the Pyramids could prove enlightening. Bonus if Egyptian mythology is used for the adventure, and not just by namechecking the obvious suspects (Isis, Osiris, Seth).

Holy Roman Empire: moving closer to my home turf, but not that close: again, lots of fascinating history to pick from. Friedrich II of Hohenstaufen, Federico Secondo, stupor mundis, the Renaissance man among medieval Emperors who was German-Norman by genetics, Sicilian by birth and education, was at different points suspected of being a Muslim and an atheist, conducted the sole peaceful Crusade (as in, (successful) negotiations, not a single battle), constantly at odds with the Popes, but also most definitely into absolute monarchical authority. Since he was very much into sciences, questioning everything and not a big believer in miracles, I could see him figuring out what the TARDIS is and trying to hijack it.

The Other Days
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[personal profile] machiavellijr 2019-01-17 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, Byzantium, yes please. And whilst Theodora would be very welcome, I've always had a soft spot for Irene, even if she did have her son tortured to death. You could have great fun with the Iconoclasts being all about getting rid of some sort of MacGuffin, and you've got Charlemagne and Haroun Al-Raschid running around at the same time. And all the companions expecting, well, the Dark Ages and finding Constantinople is bigger than Sheffield and has sewers and baths and sports hooligans... but also streetfighting monks, legalised and systematised mutilation, slavery by any other name etc. etc.

YES a chariot race, certainly. I can totally see Yaz as a charioteer. Of the Blue faction, obviously!
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[personal profile] machiavellijr 2019-01-17 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
Well, she's a cop, so blue seems to fit well.

Irene did write to Charlemagne proposing marriage - obviously history records that he said no, possibly because she was past child-bearing age, but he could have gone to meet her first. Or perhaps some time-travel shenanigans where the Doctor has to stop them meeting because in the timeline where they get married, 1200 years later the Roman Empire is ruling the world as an oppressive theocracy tempered by the odd assassination.
Edited 2019-01-17 11:44 (UTC)
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[personal profile] machiavellijr 2019-01-22 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hang on a sec. I had totally forgotten one of the Byzantine imperial titles was "Chronokrator" - literally Time Lord. I think that came along rather later than Justinian though - the only reference I can find with a quick search is that it came into use "later than the seventh century". Several Egyptian gods had aspects translated into Greek with the same word, but I think (could well be wrong) that was more in the sense of being Lord of a *particular* time (e.g. this year, or the time of childhood) rather than Time in general.
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[personal profile] vaysh 2019-01-17 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I am all there for the episode set in historical Andalusia. I visited again last summer, and was struck – again - with what rich history the region has, especially for the world today.

Considering a current member of the US government has gone on record stating those were build by Joseph of Biblical fame in order to store corn ...
*blink* I missed that. My capacity for headdesking has ended sometime middle of last year, but God!
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2019-01-17 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Or he's just slipped a cog. Nenya remembers him being one of the cool weird fundies when she was a kid.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-01-17 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
A NEUROSURGEON NO LESS. //horror
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2019-01-17 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
There's going to be a Big Finish with Aphra this month with Lady Vashta? I believe. Two out of three of this historicals last year were outside the UK, so I have some hope. I love the Al Andalus idea. They were filming in Spain already. I'm sure it could happen.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-01-17 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I gotta get my hands on those, someone else just wrote them up and they sounded (as always) fab.
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[personal profile] watervole 2019-01-17 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I vote for Muslim Spain. Wonderful period with fantastic architecture.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-01-17 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Aphra Behn and Constantinople, yes! Or maybe the Doctor could meet Ibn Battuta as a fellow traveller.
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[personal profile] chelseagirl 2019-01-18 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Aphra Behn -- yes!