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selenak: (Henry and Eleanor by Poisoninjest)
Daily horrors whenever one catches up with the news, both on a global and national level, makes for an increasing need to find some way to fannishly relax. (Mind you, there are no safe zones from current day insanity in fandom, either. Some weeks ago yours truly was horrified to learn the claim that the Orange Felon supposedly likes Sunset Boulevard, one of Billy Wilder's masterpieces. I'm still in denial about that - maybe he just likes some songs from ALW's musical version? How would he even have the patience and focus to watch an entire movie with no action scenes, no sex scenes and lots and lots of sharp dialogue, not to mention no macho hero in sight? What Billy Wilder, who as a young man watched the country he was in go from a Republic to a fascist state, but who was with all cynisim pretty idealistic about the US where he found refuge would have said about the present, I don't want to imagine. At the very least, he'd demand a rewrite. I mean: like all VPs during the Munich security conference, the current one a few days ago visited Dachau. I'm not exaggerating, it is what every single US VP attending the Munich security conference has done. Like the rest of them, Vance got a guided tour by one of the few still living survivors. If it filtered through that Dachau, one of the very first German concentration camps which when it was built and put to work in 1933 included as its very first inmates Social Democrats, Union Representatives and Communists, i.e. the very people Elon Musk and Alice Weidel (Germany's Marine Le Pen wannabe) declared to be Nazis to an audience of billions, Vance didn't say. Instead, he went from visiting a concentration camp to meeting Weidel, i.e. the leading woman of a certified right extremist (or if you want to be less polite, Neonazi) party, and then held forth at the conference where he claimed to defend free speech (you know, while his boss kicks out reporters daring to say "Gulf of Mexico" and erases trans people out of existence) and told Europeans they're the true anti democratic dictators and should work with their Nazi parties already.

Billy Wilder, at his most cynical, would not have written such caricatures as are currently in charge of dismantling democracy not just in the US but nearly everywhere. Btw, the retort by our current secretary for defense, Boris Pistorius, was this:





Aaanyway. I find history podcasts not just interesting in general but at such times as these oddly comforting in a "this, too, shall pass" way. (I am not referring to the history of the 20th century, of course. That currently provides a "this, too, shall come back" vibe.) Since it's been a while, some impressions on my English language favourites:

History of Byzantium: got into something of a depressive slump after the sacking of Constantinople in 1204, but that's history, and it is now back to the narrative. (Decline-and-fall-like as it has to be.)

Not just the Tudors: continues to be very entertaining, and most guest speakers Susannah Libscombe interviews are good, with the occasional dud; most recently there excellent episodes on the various males of the Borgia family, and then for Lucrezia she changed her interview partner and alas her new interviewee was, shall we say, less than stellar.


History of the Germans: has since last I wrote been reordered so there are thematic seasons, i.e. if you're just interested in, say, the Ottonians or the Hanseatic League, you can listen to just those seasons. On a personal level, my experience with this podcast has been that the seasons that deal with parts of history I'm not so familiar with captivate me more than those I do already know a lot about, but not because the later is badly researched (au contraire), it's just that I love getting intrigued and learning more. So of course I have favourites. In the recent year, I loved the Interregnum season (starring among others Rudolf von Habsburg, the first Emperor of that family, going from simple count to HRE buy "waving a marriage contract in one hand and a sword in the other" as he tactically married his many female relations to lots of dying-out-older nobility, Ludwig the Bavarian (proving that getting excommunicated by the (Avignon) Pope is no longer the big deal it used to be as he employs, as Dirk puts it, half the cast of The Name of the Rose, and Karl IV, he after whom the bridge and a lot of other things in Prague are named after) and the current season, The Reformation before the Reformation, which you get the whole late medieval enchilade of corrupt popes and antipopes, the Council of Konstanz (good for book swapping, not so good for actual radical reforms, ask Jan Hus, who gets burned during it) and then the Hussite Revolution in Bohemia.

Revolutions: Mike Duncan's second podcast which used to be finished with the Russian Revolution but now has been resumed by him with a highly entertaining sci fi season, the Martian Revolution. Its backstory sounds a bit inspired by The Expanse as well as lots of the historical revolutions he has covered. If the CEO of OmniCorps whose blinkered know-it-all-ness, ego and lack of anything resembling human empahy triggered the Martian Revolution sounds a bit like a current tech bro in charge of the White House, I'm sure it's entirely coincidental.
selenak: (Émilie du Chatelet)
A few words about my personal selection criteria. I had to find cut-off points, not least because there are so many interesting ladies. But I decided not to pick any who while born in the 18th century had the majority of their lives happening in the 19th, and/or key events of their lives, which meant, among others, no Emma Hamilton (who should definitely get a miniseries), and no Rahel Varnhagen. (Generally speaking, I used the French Revolution as a cut off point, not least because it felt like the beginning of a new era, though in one case I picked somone who did experience that era and beyond, will explain there.) Conversely, I didn't pick any lady who lived into the 18th century but had the majority of their lives happening in the 17th, which means, alas, no Liselotte (Elisabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate, she who was married to Philippe d'Orleans, Monsieur, the gayest man of his time and our German correspondent in Versailles with ALL the good gossip) and not her favourite Aunt, Sophia of Hannover (almost Queen of England but for Cousin Anne surviving her for a few months), either. (Both definitely deserve their own series.)

Also, I tried to consider the demands of tv, i.e. someone like Laura Bassi, philosopher, physicist and sole female member of the University of Bologna has the drawback that her life went too smoothly, the patriarchy not withstanding. She got the recognition. She married the man she loved (despite some grumblings from the university which was prepared to accept chaste Minervas but not married women as lecturers (of men, omg!). Her husband was a champ who didn't oppress her or stand in her way but supported her. She was financially independent. Basically, unless you invent a lot and make her life very different from what it was, there are no big obstacles to overcome. I could see a movie made about Laura where the grumblings about her getting married are the obstacle and the happy ending is when she continues to teach as a wife and mother, but it's not enough for a miniseries, never mind a multi season one. On the other end of the scale, there's Luise Gottsched, one of the female pioneers of German writing, who had a very very depressing life in that her husband (also a writer) demanded she devote herself to his work first and foremost, exploited her, and in the end cheated on her. Leaving aside the difficulty of dramatizing the act of writing (always tricky with writers who didn't have another job), it's just one depressing thing after another, and no satisfying pay off because it would take centuries until she was properly appreciated in cultural history.

All this being said: here are some fascinating women from the 18th century with series format friendly lives, belonging in several (overlapping) categories: ladies of the theatre, ladies of science, writers, politicians and courtiers. This is by no means a complete list, but Darth Real Life has returned to me.


Lady Mary Wortley Montagu

Who was she? Georgian wit, writer, traveller and member of a bisexual love triangle

Miniseries or multi season: Both possible; you could focus on just one era of her lilfe (miniseries) or cover the decades from her childhood where she's teaching herself Latin when she's not cheeky with members of the Hellfire Club to her middle and old age in Italy when she's dealing with Italian robbers when she's not shocking young Horace Walpole by dancing and having bodily fluids while over 50.

Lady Mary's most famous work as a writer were the Embassy Letters, from when her husband was the British Ambassador to Turkey. (Which also led to her becoming a medical pioneer who brought inocculation against smallpox to Britain.) You can read my review of her biography here and a summary of her part in the bisexual love triangle here.

Émilie du Châtelet

Who was she? French Mathematician, physicist and philosopher; had a stormy decades long love affair with Voltaire

Miniseries or multi season: Miniseries. Alas, she died at age 42 in the aftermath of childbirth, so you can do the childhood, youth and getting married thing in the first episode and devote the rest to her career as a scientist and love affairs, of which there were several in addition to the main one with Voltaire, until she dies early and tragically but not before finishing her magnum opus, the translation and commentary of Newton's Principia into French which is still the one in use today.

Reviews of several biographical works about her can be read here.

Caroline Neuber "Die Neuberin"

Who was she? German actress, company manager (which women just weren't in those days, so people constantly felt obliged to say she had a manly spirit) and German theatre reforming pioneer

Miniseries or multi season: Both are possible, again depending on whether you pick just one era of her life or cover the whole thing. Given teenage Caroline has an abusive Dad to escape from (seriously: he whips her, she has a scar from that in her face for the rest of her llife, and given she's an actress, a great many people get to see it, and then after her first escape attempt he gets her locked up in prison for 14 months, but then she escapes again and for good), it starts with great drama right from the beginning. What she's most famous for is a) working with the Gottscheds (see above for Luise and her exploitative but important for German literary history husband) to produce dramas in German on the stage that weren't just Punch-and-Judy farces, thus proving the claim you can do serious drama in German instead of French, and b) leading her company instead of letting a man do it. Her life ended mid 7 Years War, so about as dramatic as it started, and there really is enough material for a a whole series, but equally you can do a classical theatre drama (i.e. focus on Caroline getting her company going against the odds and landing her first successful performances, something like that.

Her wiki entry is here.


Margaret "Peg" Woffington

Who was she? Georgian Irish stage actress, successful in both female and male parts (her debut was as Macheath)

Miniseries or multi season? Miniseries; another lady who made it barely past 40, alas. But she died wealthy and admired, i.e. the exact opposite of the contemporary cliché involving actresses with lots of love affairs and fiery rivalries.

Her wiki entry is here.


Barbara "La Barbarina" Campanini

Who was she? Italian Ballet dancer, international European superstar of her day

Miniseries or multiseason?: Miniseries, this time not because of an early death but because once she retires into respectability and heading charities in Silesia, there's not much tv friendly material for her old age.

Here is a highly entertaining summary of her dramatic life (and love life) written by [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard; let me add that since then, we found out the Scot Barbarina was either engaged or married to when Frederick the Great kidnapped her was the brother of Lord Bute (as in teacher of George III, short lived PM of same, son-in-law of Lady Mary, because it's a small 18th century world).


Gertrud Elisabeth Schmeling Mara

Who was she? musical violinist Wunderkind turning soprano European superstar; marries debauched cellist and boyfriend of Prussian Prince.

Miniseries or multi season? Miniseries, but one devoting the entire first episode on her wunderkind phase where her father is a wannabe Leopold Mozart, not least because it's an interesting possible reply to "what if Leopold had continued to tour with Nannerl as well as Wolfgang once she hit puberty?" Conversely, the last episode will have to cover her entire old age once Napoleon invades Russia and this sets her retirement funds literally aflame. The dramatic middle point being of course her time in Prussia, complete with bisexual love triangle and dramatic escape attempt. (Again; what is it with Prussia and dramatic escape attempts?)

All the juicy details about her life are to be found here.

Julia von Mengden

Who was she? Livonian courtier, favourite and likely lover of Anna Leopoldovna; was involved in Anna Leopoldovna becoming Regent in 1740, got engaged to Anna's male fave, Saxonian Envoy Lynar (if you're thinking threesome, you're thinking what everyone was thinking at the time); after Elizaveta Petrovna's coup that deposed Anna, chose so go with Anna into exile and imprisonment; was eventually freed by Catherine II.

Miniseries or multiseason? Miniseries, with the last episode devoted to the decades of imprisonment - entire seasons of same would not offer much drama, after all.


Julia has only a short wiki entry in English, but I picked her for a couple of reasons: a) as a courtier, she experiences four female Russian rulers in a row (Anna Ivanova, Anna Leopoldovna, Elizaveta and Catherine), but by focusing on her instead of them, the miniseries has the chance for simultanous closeness and critical distance; Julia's loyalty to Anna Leopoldovna is genuinely touching; it's one in the eye for Putin's homophobia and machismo.

Maria Theres(i)a

Who was she? Archduchess of Austria, Queen of Hungary, Queen of Bohemia, Empress (Consort, technically) of the Holy Roman Empire, etc., etc. One of the most important rulers of the 18th century. She and Frederick the Great were each other's Arch Nemesis. English speaking folk mainly know her as the mother of Marie Antoinette, which is a source of frustration to me.

Miniseries or multi season? Multi season. There has been a series in recent years which was basically three different miniseries, one for young, one for middle aged and one for old MT, but while it had some good bits, by and large I felt all the changes were hugely talking down to the audience, assuming it wouldn't get 18th century politics or female main characters as problematic in their way as their male counterparts. So I really want a series that covers her entire life (okay, fine, it can start when she's a teenager) in the spirit of John Adams.

Her English Wiki entry is okay as a start, but if you want something less dry with original quotes that are fun to read and give a good idea of her personality and why I find her interesting, here is a collection of quotes by her and Frederick about each other during their life time rivalry.


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selenak: (Tourists by Kathyh)
[personal profile] avrelia asked: You are going to time travel. Which historical figures you will pick up as your team and how they will help or complicate your travels?

A veritable challenge! Let's see what consuming a lot of time-travelling featuring media has taught me.

- Evidently, I would need a good engineer in case whatever time travelling device I use breaks down, because I really don't want to stay in the past. To that end, I shall recruit Nikola Tesla and Hedy Lamarr. (Why not Émilie du Chatelet? Because Émilie was a theoretical physicist, and I'd need someone with experience in practical applications who can repair stuff.)

- I would also need a doctor in case someone catches an infection in the past; as this has to be someone who on the one hand is experienced enough in modern medicine (no bloodletting, OMG!) to be of use but otoh not too far away from an era where a lot of current day medication isn't available (so they could improvise instead of going "where the hell is my aspirin!"), I shall pick Rahel Straus, the first woman who studied medicine and graduated in a German university (earlier medical ladies had to graduate abroad); she's also related to my guy Feuchtwanger, but that's not the deciding factor here. Rahel has experience in both high tech (for her time) and primitive (for her time) surroundings, is tough and extremely practical.

- Next, I need someone who is really good at gatecrashing, who is practically immune to social embarrassment (which I'm not) and who will persuade most of the interesting historical people and eras we want to meet and experience to give us the time of the day. Someone with a proven track record of cajoling even the most prickly and hermit-like people into conversation, someone with endless curiosity and ability to chat. That someone should also have a good memory and an ear for gossip so we can later note down our amazing experiences together. There's an ideal candidate for this role: step forward, James Boswell!

- in case you're wondering, I'm not recruiting a historian because I consider myself well versed enough to fill in that spot, but I do want someone with insight and knowledge of the natural life and into geography, someone with a keen scientific mind when it comes to the natural sciences, with lots of travel experience, who can observe the flora and fauna of our time travelling destinations and make sure we don't step on the proverbial butterfly and end up ensuring our own extinction; this must be Alexander von Humboldt.

- and finally, most past eras are dangerous places; I need someone with fighting experience who could defend members of our team, someone who could, depending on where we end up, do this either as a man or as a woman. I did consider the Chevalier d'Eon, but clearly, it has to be Julie d'Aubigny.


Complications: Boswell will of course hit on all female team members and be rebuffed. (Well, mostly; I could see Julie D'Aubigny having a one night stand with him in the right circumstances.) He will also end up catching some veneral disease in whichever era we end up in, and better hope he's not annoyed Rahel Straus too much. Nikola Tesla and Alexander von Humboldt might either have a mightly clash of the egos or a flirtation or both. Julie d'Aubigny will definitely hit on Hedy Lamarr, and I have no idea how that would go. Also, she might end up in a duel with someone just when she's needed elsewhere to defend the team, but Humboldt is an 18th and early 19th century Prussian noble, he does have the requisite training with weapons, so I hope he'd step up in that case.

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selenak: (Cat and Books by Misbegotten)
[personal profile] lirazel asked me this. Now, to me, a biography I'd reccommend should ideally:

- offer a compelling portrait of its subject in the context of the times and other people said subject lives in

- be decently annotated, because it's not a novel, and I do want to know which primary source material the author bases their conclusions on, especially when it comes to motivations (so if you're telling me X loathed Y, I would like a footnote somewhere telliing me "See letter blablah blah")

- be fluently written; I've read biographies that are good with the facts and the sources but manage to come across as very dull due to the (lack of) writing style.

These demands can sometimes come into conflict. For example, a few years ago I read Nancy Goldstones "Daughters of the Winter Queen", which was very entertainingly written and came across as informative, and told me a lot of new things about historical characters I didn't know much about before, with one exception (i.e. one of the daughters I did know things about, having read her memoirs). Then I read Nancy Goldstone's "Ihe Shadow of the Empress", about historical figures I knew a lot about. This was also entertainingly written, but alas, I found big mistakes or at best omissions to produce a certain impression, or downright falsifications every second page. This in turn made me distrustful towards the earlier book. So no more Goldstone recs, though she can write well. Otoh, Simon Beale's two volume biography of Joseph II is thorough and reliable and dense - but not easy to read, especially if that's your first going at the era and the people in question.

All this being said, here are some recs for biographies which I found both readable and reliable (with the caveat that research always marches on, so with older biographies you can always have the experience that new discoveries can mean some earlier assumptions are now outdated or disproven). I've also separated them for biographies focused on one person (or two), and books focused on an era which is described through the eyes of an ensemble of (historical) characters; not classic biographies but still biographical and historical in nature.

A) Biographies of individuals

Emma Southon: Agrippina. For a more detailed review, see here. Short version: Gets around the source problems by directly adressing them, creates a vivid portrait, since I have it on audio I keep relistening to favourite passages.

Claire Tomalin: Charles Dickens. A detailed review is here. Short version: Tomalin comes near the platonic ideal of a biographer as someone who on the one hand is empathic and makes it clear in non-abstract terms why the reader should care about this person but on the other doesn't shy away from depicting the flaws in a non-prettifying manner. Why this one and not her earlier biography of Ellen Ternan, The Invisible Woman? Frankly, because Dickens himself offers far more material to write about than Nelly, who herself is included in the Dickens bio.

Mike Duncan: Hero of Two Worlds: The Marquis de Lafayette in the Age of Revolution. A detailed review is here; again, it's a biography with great empathy for its subject that doesn't shy away from the less admirable parts of said subject's life.

Jean Orieux: Voltaire. You can find a detailed review and plenty of quotes here; it's an older biography (i.e. we're talking several decades here), and highly opinionated, but a) the author makes clear when it's his opinion he voices, instead of disguising them and/or treating them as facts, and b) it definitely fulfills the requirements of being both compellingly written and offering annotations for all its assertions.


Robert Caro's The Years of Lyndon Johnson series (still unfinished, the last published volume ended with Johnson's first year in office: Now, the sheer size of each volume - I think each over 1000 pages - is a challenge, but I can say without hesitation that these are the best political biographies I've ever read. Caro makes the US political institutions comprehensible to a non-American like yours truly, how the Congress works, how the Senate works, the appointment of Judges etc. He gets across how many people are actually involved in the legislative process without this reader feeling adrift, and he brings these many people to life. He never demonizes Johnson's opponents to build up Johnson. He manages to get across both Johnson's gazillion flaws ("flaws" is at times putting it mildly), but also his incredible strengths. If you have a competence kink for politics, and getting things done, Johnson is your man. At the same time, Caro notably builds up to the not yet reached Vietnam era because it's pretty clear that some of the same traits that enabled Johnson to make it to the top and push through more social reform legislation than any other president since FDR will also cause him to make misjudgment after misjudgment on Vietnam. More detailed reviews of volumes I and III, and volume IV. Let me add that when I watched Spielberg's Lincoln, I had the problem which another European commenter memorably described of watching that film feeling like attending a service of a religion you're not part of. (At times, you can literally see the halo around Lincoln's head because of the way Spielberg frames him.) This is definitely not the case here. Now of course LBJ is a very different character from Abraham Lincoln, and one of Caro's points is actually that the lessening of respect for the Presidency and the person of the President (which he regrets) started with Johnson, not, as commonly seen, with Nixon, but for me, Johnson the infinitely flawed but ultra competent is both more believable and more compelling than Lincoln the Saint.

b) Portrait of Eras via Biographies

It's getting German. Thankfully, several of these have been translated, so I can rec them to non-German speakers.

Uwe Wittstock: February 33: The Winter of Literature In which our author describes how a Republic turns into a fascist dictatorship within a few weeks through the eyes of some of Germany's greatest writers, male and female, Jewish or not. If you're German, you're probably more familiar with some of these than if you're not, but all of them are brought to life, and the quotes are from their letters, diaries and interviews at the time, not with hindsight. The contemporary relevance is obvious, but even leaving that aside, it's just a damn good read. Wittstock has published last year "Marseille 1940", in which he describes the intellectuals fleeing the Nazis in increasingly occupied France, which is excellent as well, but hasn't been translated into English yet.

Evelyn Juers: House of Exile. In which Ms. Juers uses the same quoting from letters and diaries technique to describe the fates of a couple of European exiles ending up in the US, focused on Heinrich Mann and his wife Nelly, with brother Thomas, Brecht and others also playing important parts; a detailed review is here. (My only complaint is that it also includes Virginia Woolf - not because I have anything against her, or that she's not ably described, but she really has no connection to the other characters who are all connected to each other.) Very moving, vivid, and again of great contemporary relevance.


Leonard Horowski: Das Europa der Könige. Alas, not translated into English, but a must-read if you can read German and are in any way interested in the later 17th and in the 18th century. It's an incredibly entertaining overview of Europe (that includes you, Brits!) from the later Louis IV era to just about the end of the French Revolution, and feels as if you're told all the good (and hot) gossip by an insider of the various courts, whether it's one of the big ones (i.e. Versailles) or the smaller scale German principalities. Horowski uses memoirs and letters but also - as opposed to, say, John Julius Norwich - points out when an entertaining story is extremely unlikely to have happened, and if there is counter evidence. And he's really great at making constant connections. (Not just all the royals are related to each other all over the continent, but so are a lot of their courtiers, lovers and mistresses, and that does matter.) It's witty, it's fun, it's immensely readable, and disproves anyone who believes to remain factual you have to be boring.

Lastly: Happy Birthday[personal profile] lirazel!


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selenak: (Goethe/Schiller - Shezan)
For the purpose of this reply, I shall understand the question to mean specifically theatre plays, not "drama" in a wider sense including tv shows, or not-stageplay based movies. This being said, here are some of mine, in no particular order:

Friedrich Schiller: Don Carlos

Good old Schiller wrote many a historical drama, and his Wallenstein trilogy is somewhat closer to actual history than Don Carlos, the titular hero of which has little to nothing to do with the historical Carlos, and the actual hero of which is an OC. (Which makes Don Carlos still more historical than, say, Maria Stuart, which in addition to the famously not occuring meeting between Elizabeth and Mary also includes invented Leicester/Mary invented backstory, and another OC in the form of Mortimer - not nearly as cool as Posa. And let's not even talk about Schiller's take on Jeanne D'Arc wherein she falls for a sexy Englishman and dies on the battlefield.) But Don Carlos just works as a drama. It has it all: a tragic villain in Philip of Spain (seriously, Schiller's Philip is all the more remarkable because he's written at a time when not just Philip but Catholic Spaniards in general showed up only as moustache twirling villains when a Protestant author was doing the writing - whereas Schiller's Philip is so much of a tragic villain that "is Philip the true tragic (antihero) of the play?" is a favourite school essay writing topic, and the role is one of THE big roles for German actors to tackle once they've passed out of the youthful hero stage), the most famous bromantic (do we still say that? Or slashy?) relationship in German fictional literature in Carlos/Posa, while Posa also has tension of Carlos' Dad Philip, and not one but two more dimensional and actually interesting women in Queen Elisabeth and the Princess Eboli. The big OC of the play, Posa, is that rarity in fiction, a hardcore idealist who is at the same time manipulative and hasn't met a complicated plan he didn't like when a simple one would have done better (basically, he's Roj Blake without an Avon, because Carlos definitely isn't Avon, and nor is Philip), and the Inquisitor puts all other creepy Inquisitors to shame in his relentlessless, passionless inhumanity (think post reveal O'Brien in 1984. And it has some of the best dialogues and rethoric ever written in a stage play. "Sire, geben Sie Gedankenfreiheit!"

(Alas, there isn't a good translation in English that I'm aware of. The one available for free online is some flowery Victorian 19th century thing which isn't up to Schiller's 18th century cutting edge German.)

(Some guy named Verdi did a pretty nice musical version in both French and Italian with universal accessability, though. (*veg at [personal profile] cahn)


William Shakespeare: Julius Caesar

Speaking of plays with some of the best dialogues and rethoric written for the stage... Never mind clocks on towers strike in Shakespeare's ancient Rome, this one is a tense political thriller in its first half, and then presents us with the fallout. It's another one of those where the title character isn't actually the main character or hero, though while Brutus is the closest thing the play has to a hero said second half is also an illustration of "why you should never let Brutus do the planning, and actually, Cassius does care". The small "Cinna the Poet" scene is one of the best and disturbing illustrations of what mob violence means. And it's a play without neat answers - no matter how it's produced, you're neither cheering for the victorious triumvirate at the end, nor can you see Brutus winning. And there hasn't been a depiction of the running up to Caesar's death, the assassination itself and the aftermath since that hasn't been influenced by it or argueing with it. I've yet to see a production which doesn't captivate me.


George Bernhard Shaw: Saint Joan


Of the many, many depiction of Jeanne d'Arc, this is still my favourite, and I think you can make an argument that it's Shaw's greatest play. I've watched it on stage, I've seen it filmed, I've heard it in audio form, and I never, ever, had enough of it. Historically speaking, it's also the first one that takes the by then publicly available trial records into account, and of course said trial was one of the reasons why Shaw went for Joan as a heroine to begin with. The dialogues are all brilliant - Shaw at his best there - but the play also has heart, which isn't always the case in his oeuvre. Notably in contrast to almost every other depiction (that is, where she is the heroine, not counting Shakespeare's villainess), Shaw doesn't present her opponents as evil, but as earnestly convinced of their own righteousness (Cauchon) or simply being practical (the Earl of Warwick), and by using Stogumber's English patriotism as a comic foil of Joan's French one, he even avoids letting the play be abused for propaganda value (as happens to poor Jeanne by the French extreme right these days). The fact that no one twirls his moustache has been led to the play being described as not having a villain, which is and isn't true. I think it has one, and that's why you really need the epilogue, with its "Woe to me if all man praise me", and Joan upon learning she has been declared a saint asking whether she should do a miracle and return, upon which every single one of the characters who just praised her being horrified. Also the earlier question to Stogumber, who through the shock of watching Joan's gruesome death in the fire had a change of heart, being asked whether he couldn't have known already, as a Christian, that painfully killing someone is horrible, whereupon he says he'd known in theory, but seeing it was a very different thing. The villain is the state of the world, both in Joan's time and Shaw's (our) own, which keeps demanding human sacrifice. And thus the play doesn't end on a triumphant "she died, but she won!" note but with this: "O God that madest this beautiful earth, when will it be ready to receive Thy saints? How long, O Lord, how long?"

(BTW, for a fascinating discussion of Saint Joan at the time of its publication, see the letters of T.E. Lawrence to Charlotte Shaw - wife of GBS - about it. Not only did he identify with Joan but he drew a line from the scene where she signs the confession to his night in Deraa. I'm quoting from said letters here. )


Michael Frayn: Copenhagen and Heiner Kipphardt In der Sache J. Robert Oppenheimer: listed together because the question of ethics in scientific research, the unreliability and subjectivity of memory, and the different types of responsibility are all themes both plays have in common. Along with the nuclear bomb and WWII as a backdrop. Frayn's play is set when all three main characters - Werner Heisenberg, Nils Bohr and Margarethe, Bohr's wife - are dead and while it circles around the question as to what exactly Heisenberg said to Bohr during his visit in Copenhagen mid war and what Bohr replied as a read thread, it is also uses the fact Margarethe is a third main character to question both of the physicists in their assumptions, to being out the complicated emotional dynamics between them, and to keep the scientific language understandable for an audience which mostly wouldn't have been able to follow a rl Heisenberg and Bohr discussion. There's also a chamber play intimacy achieved with the three characters as the only appearing characters which isn't there in the second play, which uses the 1950s Oppenheimer hearings as its basis (though while it quotes from the actual hearings, it also dramatizes and reorders etc.), meaning you have plenty of characters (though Kipphardt did cut down the number of witnesses from RL). As with Frayn's play and Heisenberg, here it's Oppenheimer being asked what he truly intended, what his responsibility is (and to whom - country in war time, humanity?), and whether or not he betrayed someone and in which sense. Again, as with Margarethe Bohr, the fact that several participants in the hearing aren't scientists is used as a device by the dramatist to use "comprehensible" language. And both Heisenberg and Oppenheimer start their respective plays with one idea about the past and what they did and leave with another. Kipphardt's play is not well known in the English speaking world, but it often ends up as part of the German curriculum, and is one reason why when Nolan's movie Oppenheimer used the 1950s hearings as a framing device this did not surprise or trouble me (as opposed to many a critic who wondered why it couldn't have been solely set in the 1940s). Anyway, both plays ask questions about scientists and their responsibilities without giving an easy answer and use some of the key events of the 20th century as their background without trivalizing them. Kudos.

Lastly, in case long term readers are wondering: Goethe's Faust (either Faust I or Faust II or the Urfaust) isn't on this list because while it's one of my all time favourites, I wouldn't call it a historical play, vaguely medieval setting and the fact there was an actual Faust not withstanding. Goethe went out of his way to avoid tying his version of Faust to a particular era in German history. I mean, the Gretchen plot in I has to happen at a point before the Enlightenment, but that's about it.

The other days
selenak: (Empire - Foundation)
Some more distraction from the urge to vomit or cry when thinking about Recent Events and Future Events:


An incredible 3 D Tour through St. Peter. Among other things. Having been to St. Peter repeatedly two decades or so or ago, I can tell you that with all the tourist crowds, it's impossible to experience it in this much detail and quiet in real life. Amazing. Also highly informative.


A really well made overview of the story of The White Rose, the student resistance group, by YouTuber Feli. I've said it before, I'll say it again: what I find most encouraging about the Scholls and their friends is that they weren't somehow naturally immune to fascism, that, growing up in the Third Reich, they did for a time not just obey but truly believe, and were still able to develop critical and moral thinking and emerge from this to a readiness to risk everything (none of them was under any illusions as to what would happen if they were caught) in order to fight against the cruel system they had grown up in. They weren't saints automatically making all the right choices (though this video informs me that the Russian Orthodox Church has actually made Alex Schmorrell into St. Alexander of Munich), they lived in what was truly the darkest time of German history in the city that sadly in many ways was the heart of the Nazi movement - and yet said no, said: we need to do something. To use their favourite Goethe quote, Allen Gewalten zum Trotz sich erhalten.



On a less reverential and more black humored note, what this positive review of Gladiator II tells me is that I definitely don't want to watch Gladiator II. I don't need a repeat of the plot beats of the original, especially not our hero(es) wanting to restore the freaking Roman Republic centuries after its end, and again, I ask: Where are the Julias and why are the sons of the first African Roman Emperor and his Syrian wife chalky Joffrey Baratheon lookalikes? On the other hand, this trailer for what appears to be an actual, non-ironical, non-GCI heavy take on The Odyssey looks like it could be just what the Doctor ordered for me:




Starring Ralph Fiennes as Odysseus and Juliette Binoche as Penelope. (BTW, it says something about my own fictional priorities that what this combination brought to mind for me at once were these two as Heathcliff and Cathy in what is still the best Wuthering Heights adaptation I've watched so far (doesn't mean it doesn't leave great room for improvement, but it actually uses the entire novel, Hareton and Catherine II included), not these two in The English Patient. Anyway, Fiennes actually makes Odysseus' beggar alias actually believable, and it looks like this version will do something with the moral complications for when this tale turns from outwitting the bullies story to bloody revenge story. Colour me intrigued.
selenak: (Gaal Dornick - Foundation)
Dear Yuletide Writer,

we share at least one fandom, which is great, and I'm really grateful you take the time and trouble to write a story for me. All the prompts are just suggestions; if you have very different ideas featuring the same central characters, go for them. Also, I enjoy a broad range from fluff to angst, so whatever suits you best works fine with me.



DNW:

- bashing of canon pairings or characters in general. By which I don't mean the characters have to like each and everyone - a great number of those I've nominated can be described as prickly jerks, among other things, and it would be entirely ic for them to say something negative about people they canonically can't stand - but there's a difference between that and the narrative giving me the impression to go along with said opinions.

- Alpha/Beta/Omega scenarios, watersports, infantilisation. Really not my thing, sorry.


Likes:

- competence, competent people appreciating each other

- deep loyalty and not blindly accepting orders

- flirting/seduction via wordplay and banter (if it works for you with the characters in question)

- for the darker push/pull dynamics: moments of tenderness and understanding in between the fighting/one upman shipping (without abandoning the anger)

- for the pairings, both romantic and non-romantic, that are gentler and harmonious by nature: making it clear each has their own life and agenda as well

- some humor amidst the angst (especially if the character in question displays it in canon)


The question of AUs: depends. "What if this key canon event did not happen?" can lead to great character and dynamics exploration, some of which made it into my specific prompts, but I do want to recognize the characters. Half of those I nominated are from historical canons, and the history is part of the fascination the canon has for me. ) However, if you feel inspired to, say, write Henry of Prussia, space captain, and manage to do it in a way that gives me gripping analogues to the historical situations: be my guest!

How much or how little sex: I'm cool with anything you feel comfortable with, from detailed sex to the proverbial fade out after a kiss. Or no sex at all (case in point: several of the non-romantic relationships I prompted), as long as the story explores the emotional dynamics in an intense way.

Foundation (TV) )

The Bearkeeper's Daughter - Gillian Bradshaw )

Tudor Courtiers RPF )



18th Century Fredericians )

Those About To Die (TV) )
selenak: (Pompeii by Imbrilin)
All in all: enjoyable on the same level Spartacus the tv show was, i.e. unabashedly trashy yet wish some surprisingly engaging character development. Given Roland Emmerich is responsible for one of my least favourite historical or "historical" movies, "The Patriot" and also for the Oxfordian eloge Anyonymous which I haven't watched, I liked this far better than I expected. My main reason for watching was that it's set in the Flavian era, which hasn't been cinematically and tv wise milked to death yet, and I had recently reread my definitely favourite work of Lion Feuchtwanger, the Josephus trilogy. BTW, I gather there's a book of the same title - i.e. "Those about to die" - which serves as inspiration but not isn't a historical novel but a non-fiction work covering the entire development from funeral games in ye early republic to elaborate mass productions throughout much of the Empire. As I haven't read said book, I only base this assumption on wikipedia and can't say whether it's any good, and can't compare or contrast, either.

On to the gloriously trashy saga )

In conclusion: not a must, but if you liked Spartacus (the tv show) back in the day, you'll probably like this one, too. Oh, and if you've read Lindsey Davis' mystery series starring Marcus Didius Falco and want some visuals, you could do worse.
selenak: (Bayeux)
Okay, this is one of the geekiest things I've ever seen, and I love it. Also, am somewhat proud a getting most of the references. Though I have to say having spent the last year listening to the History of Byzantium podcast helped, because the references aren't all anglocentric but really try for European (and part of Asian) history. And everlasting kudos to the lyricist(s) for coming up with this gem: "Few things here to read but the Nibelungenlied"!




Now I want to do a Frederician or 18th Century Enlightenment version, hmm..... When I have time! Whenever that will be! But I want to do it!

Hang on...

Jul. 9th, 2024 06:25 pm
selenak: (Porthos by Chatona)
Me, watching the trailer to Gladiator II:

- okay, so more or less fictional son of Lucilla is the hero this time, taking fictional Maximus as his role model, go figure

- at least no one wants Rome to be a Republic again this time around? Instead, the master plan is "make the Empire fall", and since Commodus since Gibbon often works as the start of the Decline and Fall, kinda works, except that the Empire still has a few centuries more to go, and even a millennium, if you count Byzantium, which you should, but aren't we doing Septimius Severus at all?

- hang on, who ware these two Joffrey Baratheon wannabes? Are they meant to be Caracalla and Geta? Where's Julia Domna then? And her sister and nieces? and also, why are they blond and white?

Historical spoilers for the Severan dynasty and the fates of who members of same showing up in the trailer ensue )

But fine. Fine. Gladiator the first was as ahistorical as they come and a smash hit too. I'm still chewing on the chalky blondness of Caracalla and Geta, though. Because: their father (Septimius Severus) was African. Their mother (Julia Domna) was Syrian. And before you use the "African Romans could be entirely descended from the whitest of white Italians" argument, we actually have a painting of Septimius Severus and his family (little Geta's face is scratched out because brother Caracalla did the thing he did and then declared damnatio memoriae):


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Portrait_of_family_of_Septimius_Severus_-_Altes_Museum_-_Berlin_-_Germany_2017.jpg/800px-Portrait_of_family_of_Septimius_Severus_-_Altes_Museum_-_Berlin_-_Germany_2017.jpg


So, Septimius Severus: not white. His sons: not chalky blond boys. Now, it's not that the trailer doesn't show a person of colour as well - but as far as I can tell, it's another fictional character played by Denzel Washington. Definitely not Septimius Severus, if he wants to bring the Empire down.)o Wait, hang on: googling tells me he's playing "Macrinus". What? THAT Macrinus? Okay, that one was from Mauretania. Okay, carry on. But still: why the Joffrey Baratheon look for the boys who definitely did not have it? At first I thought, the logic escapes me, and then I thought, maybe it's precisely because Caracalla and Geta aren't (either in history, nor, it seems, in this movie) meant to be sympathetic characters, so the production team didn't want to cast people of color for them?

Which might actually also explain why no one tackled the Severans yet in film or tv, full stop, despite them being Rome's first non-European Imperial dynasty. (Not non-Italian - the Spaniards via Trajan and Hadrian got there first.) . They can easily compete in sheer melodrama and twists with any other dynasty (and as Emma Southon has pointed out should be called the other Julians anyway, given that except for Septimiius Severus himself and Caracalla the psycho, it's three ladies called Julia who call the shots and build up and depose Emperors), there are assassinations galore, female power brokers, incest accusations, too, and one of them may or may not have been binary - but role models, they're not. The only nice one is the kid at the end of the dynasty, Severus Alexander, and he dies for prefering negotiations over battles, so where's the moral in that?

I'm not just mocking. After the success of I, Claudius, the BBC tried repeatedly to follow it up with another historical tv show focused on ruthless powerful families. Their take on the Borgias must have been so bad no one even bothered to bash it, and then they went for the Ptolemies in the tv show The Cleopatras, which going by reviews apart from suffering from bad 80s music also had a believability problem despite its outrages (all the royal incest combinations and familiy murders) all being authentic.... and without having seen either show, just based on reading about them, I think I know what the problem was. The writers didn't bother with sympathetic characters. I, Claudius has some of the best villains in tv history with its Livia and Caligula, and even the minor villains like Sejanus are highly memorable, but the whole thing wouldn't work if the show hadn't made its narrator Claudius a sympathetic character who gets an "eternally underestimated and abused underdog makes it to the top" story. (And there's a reason why once he's actually Emperor the story wanders into some difficulties.) And there are some other non-evil characters besides Claudius getting screentime, too. Flamboyant and clever villains are always a treat, but if there's no non-evil character having non-monstrous emotions in sight, you have a narrative problem.

Now, there's no reason why you couldn't still tell the story of the Severans; aside from the Hiistoria Augusta slandering her, Julia Domna has a good press as a patron of the arts and Septimus Severus' partner in power, and Julia Maesa who doesn't is admitted to have been highly effective, organizing an impossible comeback and creating not one but two Emperors, clearly seeing the first one she installed does not work out despite him being her grandson. It should be possible to write these ladies in a multi dimensional way. Or you could add a fictional character, maybe a friend of the Julias from Syria who comes to Rome when they do and gets increasingly appalled when they watch th "all power corrupts" principle at work. But there's no happy ending in store unless you go completely Quentin Tarantino in terms of historical endings, and maybe producers figure that "The first African-Syrian dynasty ruling Rome: just as messed up as all the others" isn't what people want to see?
selenak: (Linda by Beatlemaniac90)
This past month, I spent a week at various places at Lake Constance, aka The Lake Between Three Countries (Germany, Switzerland and Austria), which despite some bad April weather in between the occasional sunshine is always breathtakingly beautiful to visit. Which means, naturally: a pics pam.


Bodensee  Gesamt


First, I made a brief stop in Bregenz, Austria. Featuring the famous built-into-the-lake opera stage featured in a James Bond movie, so international viewers might dimly recall it.

Bregenz )

Next, I crossed the border to Switzerland and visited St. Gallen, home to one of the most beautiful preserved libraries of the world:

St. Gallen )

The big monastery rival of St. Gallen in the early middle ages was the monastery on the island Reichenau, which is where I went next. (Crossing borders agian to the German part of the lake.) This island is celebrating its 1300th birthday this year, but it's worth visiting at any time, although, unlike St. Gallen, the Reichenau monastery had bad luck from the late middle ages onwards, and so its library disappeared and now the books reside elsewhere, having returned for the first time in centuries fo rthe big anniversary exhibition.


Reichenau )


One great help for Lake Constance visitors is that there's a ferry for cars to use between Constance itself and Meersburg on the other side of the lake. Take it, and spare yourself 70 kilometres country road around the lake. Which is what I did when visiting Meersburg, that medieval delight with Germany's most famous female poet's final resting place.

Meersburg )


Next, I visited Salem. No, not the one with the witches. Or the vampires. The other one. Behold:

Salem )

Before returning to the other side of the lake again via ferry, I paid a visit to Unteruhldingen, where a century ago, Bronze age settlements were found and reconstructed:


Unteruhldingen )

But what about Konstanz itself, you ask? The city that gave its name to the English version of the lake? (It's "Bodensee" in German.) The city that saw a Church synod, the depostion of not one, not two but three Popes at the same time, and the burning of Jan Hus?

Constance )


Back to the opposite site of the church. One laketown that's frequented by people wanting to lose some weight is Überlingen. It has, however, also other attractions. Including another scandalous Statue by Peter Lenk.

Überlingen )

On my day of departure, I finally lucked out with the weather and the sun was with me once more as I visited the one tiny Bavarian part of Lake Constance, to wit, Lindau. Most famous for its gorgeous harbour.

Lindau )

And thus I took my leave of Lake Constance:

Hafen Lindau Gesamt mit See
selenak: (DuncanAmanda - Kathyh)
At least that's how it worked out for me, in terms of my contributions this year. Both of my stories - for [personal profile] cahn - are set in the Stuart era, one early, one later; the first one features what was arguable the biggest sex and crime scandal at the scandal-heavy court of King James VI and I, and features the perspective of the two women who are bound to be antagonists in the upcoming series Mary and George, seeing as one of them was married to the titular George's (Buckingham's) rival for the favour of King James and the other became forced to marry George's older brother very much against her will and wasn't taking it quietly. Both ladies were called Frances and I very much enjoyed giving their perspective; anything you need to know about the history is in the story itself.


The Devil's Law Case (5951 words) by Selena
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: 17th Century CE RPF
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Frances Howard (1591 - 1632) & Frances Coke (1602 - 1645), Frances Howard (1591 - 1632)/ Robert Carr 1st Earl of Somerset, Robert Carr 1st Earl of Somerset/James VI and I of Scotland and England, James VI and I of Scotland and England/George Villiers 1st Duke of Buckingham, Robert Carr 1st Earl of Somerset/Thomas Overbury, Frances Coke (1602 - 1645) & George Villiers 1st Duke of Buckingham, Frances Coke (1602 - 1645)/Robert Howard (1598 - 1653), Frances Howard (1691 - 1632)/ Robert Devereux 3rd Earl of Essex
Characters: Frances Howard (1591 - 1632), Frances Coke (1602 - 1645), Robert Carr 1st Earl of Somerset, George Villiers 1st Duke of Buckingham, James VI and I of Scotland and England, Thomas Overbury, Edward Coke (1552–1634), Robert Howard (1598 - 1653), Sir John Villiers Viscount Purbeck, Elizabeth Hatton, Robert Devereux 3rd Earl of Essex
Additional Tags: POV Female Character, Murder Mystery, Trials, Scandal, Whydonit, women being complicated, Canon Gay Relationship, Rivalry, Friendship
Summary:

They were the two most scandalous women of their scandalous time. Ditching their unwanted husbands, marrying the King's lover, committing murder or escaping by the skin of their teeth; Frances Howard and Frances Coke have done it all. This is their story.




The second story I wrote deals with the youngest daughter of Charles I, Charles II's favourite sister, Henriette Anne aka Minette. Viewers of the tv show Versailles might recall her from the first season, which features her less than happy marriage with her (very gay) cousin Philippe d'Orleans and her affair with his brother Louis XIV, though the show is, shall we say, taking its usual liberties. I've always had a soft spot for Minette, and using the 5 plus 1 format for her felt like a good way of writing a portrait. (In terms of previous fictionalisations of Minette, this adhers to the novel The King's Touch by Jude Morgan, though again, it stands on its own if you are not familiar with said novel.


Cover Her Face (5778 words) by Selena
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: The King's Touch - Jude Morgan, 17th Century CE RPF
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Major Character Death
Relationships: Charles II of England & Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre, Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre/Philippe I duc d'Orléans, Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre & James Scott Duke of Monmouth, Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre & Henriette Marie de France Queen of England, Louis XIV de France/Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre, Philippe Chevalier de Lorraine/Philippe I duc d'Orléans
Characters: Henrietta Anne Stuart | Henriette d'Angleterre, Charles II of England, James Scott Duke of Monmouth, Philippe I duc d'Orléans, Louis XIV de France, Henriette Marie de France Queen of England
Additional Tags: Character Study, Siblings, Unconventional Families, Cousins, Exile, Declarations Of Love, Friendship/Love, POV Female Character
Summary:

Five times someone told the Princess Henrietta of England they loved her, and one time she said it to someone else.

selenak: (Dragon by Roxicons)
I had osmosed enough good word of mouth about this one to try it. Although I have to say I am glad not to have heard the publisher's pitch - "Mulan meets Song of Achilles" - because that would have put me off, seeing as I couldn't stand Song of Achilles, and that would have been a shame, because I really did like this novel.

It is set during the waning days of the Yuan dynasty, the Mongol rule of China, and thus in the rise of the not yet called that Ming dynasty, and never tells us our heroine's orignal name, for different reasons than the lack of a name for the narrator of Rebecca. The central character in She Who Became The Sun, starting out as a girl in a famine stricken village, picks her (soon dead) brother's name and destiny in the opening chapter. (This is said at the back of the book so doesn't count as a spoiler.) Who she is and who she makes herself into is an ongoing challenge and theme of the book, along with destiny-by-choice. Not for nothing is her primary antagonist and foil a Eunuch, who unlike her did not choose his between the genders fate - but like her actively pursues the destiny he claims to be ruled by. Our heroine's name for the majority of the novel is Zhu, but after an exclusive focus on her for the first quarter or so the novel branches out to introduce other characters - the Eunuch, Ouyang, who fights for the Mongols who wiped out his birth family, the girl Ma, who starts out married to one of the leading rebels, and Esen, Ouyang's immediate superior chiefly among them, and all are interesting and vividly described. Ahead of reading the book, I was wondering how the author would handle the fact that the Yuan dynasty at this late stage was nothing to write home about - there would be fascinating Mongol leaders again, but only after they had lost China -, because obviously you need impressive antagonists if you want your hero(ine) to look even more impressive for defeating them. Cleverly, this is accomplished in a variety of ways - firstly, Zhu has famine and the patriarchy of her own society to overcome, then the strict hierarchy of the Buddhist monastery where she-as-her-brother seeks shelter in order not to starve, and even once she's with the army, she's in an outsider position (as a monk). Secondly, as mentioned, her main foil in the novel isn't one of the Yuan princes but Ouyang, who, like her, has his own secrets and agenda.

The novel provides plots within plots and also great character development all around. Zhu is initially driven by not just the basic desire to survive but also to matter, to not be nothing; it's not like she starts out with a Master Plan to accomplish what she has accomplished by the time. What she wants changes through the book. As does what she's willing to do for it. And the novel doesn't shy away from the fact it won't just be unsympathetic bad guys standing in our heroine's way. Nor does it pull the "evil advisor" card, i.e. puts the blame on another character. By the time the novel ends, Zhu has done something that solidly puts her into solidly into, hm, let's say Caprica Six territory and leave at that BSG allusion.

It's also a novel that fully embraces its genderqueer premise. The two main romantic relationships of the book, one explicit, the other unspoken but very there, are same sex in nature. And it doesn't forget not every powerful emotional relationship has to be sexual - there are also both compelling friendships and enmities.

Lastly: it's classified as historical fantasy by the publisher. The "fantasy" part essentially consists on the "Mandate of Heaven" which the Yuan are about to lose and several possible candidates for future Emperor are able to produce being a literal flame they can psychically ignite - that, and their ability to see ghosts. But that's it; the wars are fought by rl means, no dragons are flying around, and natural castrophes as well as famine can't be solved with fantastical elements, either. All in all, I would call it a historical novel going for a mythic aura myself.
selenak: (Wilhelmine)
This seemingly harmless question by [personal profile] avrelia runs into the trickiness of language and history both. First of all, the English term “princess” can be translated in two different ways into German. Either as “Prinzessin”, as in, daughter of a monarch, or as “Fürstin”, someone who can be a ruling monarch herself, not necessarily a Queen, even; a ruling Duchess, say, can be a Fürstin, but so can an Empress be.

Secondly, “German”. Which definition does apply? Citzien of a realm which is located in territory that either today is in Germany or used to be in Germany pre WWI? How far back does this go, i.e. would we count the Frankish Carolingians? (Charlemagne: seen as German in Germany and French in France. Ditto for his offspring.) Do ladies count who came from decidedly non-German (by any definition) countries but who spent the majority of their lives as a princess of the HRE (think Theophanu, originally of Byzantium, or Irene who was married to Philip of Swabia)?

Conversely: what about princesses who are definitely the daughters of German monarchs but spent their entire lives in non-German realms (even by the definition of their era) and who did not speak German, to boot, but who were actively involved in German (by the definition of their era and ours, too) politics? I’m thinking of Margaret of Austria the daughter of Maximilian I (HRE) here. Born in Burgundy, raised in France, moved to Spain for a few years, returned to Burgundy, then Savoy, ended up as regent of the Netherlands for first her father and then her nephew. (Margaret and her Dad corresponded in French with the occasional Latin thrown in. She never spoke a word of German in her life. But she was a princess of the HRE all her life, and without her, it’s questionable whether nephews Charles would have become Emperor, or indeed whether the Habsburgs wouldn’t have lost their hold on the German and “Roman” crown after two generations again and gone back to being one (powerful) House among others within the HRE. (Okay, extra powerful because Charles inherited Spain via his mother, now with new colonies. But still.)

Or: how about princesses who start out German (in whichever sense of the above) and move to another country where they spend most of their lives? Catherine the Great being just one of the more famous cases in point - those first fourteen years as a German versus decades as a Russian definitely would favour “Russian” as the category to put her in, but she did start out as a German princess. Same for every Queen Consort of England starting with Caroline (of Ansbach, wife of George II) until Alexandra (Danish, wife of Edward VII).

Moving on somewhat nearer to the present, there’s the fact that today, Austria and Germany are two different nations. Both use the German language, but Austrians are not Germans and vice versa. (Unless you hold dual citizenship.) However, for most of our shared history, this did not apply. Mozart, born in (Austrian) Salzburg, referred to himself as a German in his letters, as of course did his father Leopold, born in (German) Augsburg. When a mid 18th century British pamphleteer calls the Maria Theresia versus Frederick the Great wars “a German civil war”, he’s not disingeneous, in that while Frederick was a Prussian and Maria Theresia an Austrian, they both also would have regarded themselves and each other as Germans.

(I’m just grateful that the question aims as princesses, not writers. Would you call Franz Kafka a) a Czech writer, b) an Austrian writer, c) a German writer? I’ve seen all three categorisations used.)

And lastly, what about German princesses who never lived but who were created (or at least solidified into written existence) by German writers? I mean, hello, Snow White? (Though my favourite fairy tale Grimm princess would probably be Allerleirauh - who runs from her father the King when he wants to marry her and lives dressed in animal skins for a while.)

With all this in mind, here’s a selection within different criteria:

Category: “Princess” as in Fürstin

Subcategory Imported Princesses

It’s a contest between my two favourite medieval Empresses, Adelheid (originally of Burgundy, kinda, sorta) and Theophanu. More about them here.

Subcategory exported or even completely extraterritorial Princesses:

Margaret of Austria; her praises sung here, here and here.

Subcategory not the daughter of a King and doesn’t rule a kingdom, but is a Fürstin in charge of a realm:

Anna Amalia of Saxe-Weimar: for contributing very much to Weimar’s a few decades long existence as the hotbed of German literature. Also for not using the Hohenzollern method of child raising on her own kids despite being a granddaughter of FW, for trying her best to keep her subjects out of Uncle Fritz’ recruitment clutches in the e/7 Years War, and for enjoying her retirement via travelling to Italy, staying there for a few years and (as a Protestan princess, no less) having an affair with a hot Catholic Bishop

Category: “Princess” as in Prinzessin

Subcategory: Exported to non-German country Princess: Anne of Bohemia, wife to Richard II (of England). I am admittedly influenced by her portrayal in various fictions, be they AU novels like Wheel of Fortune by Susan Howatch, straightforward history plays like Josephine Tey’s Richard of Bordeaux (though this one has a hilariously English-author-caused line where Anne, daughter of an HRE, refers to herself as provincial compared to Richard), or all the Richard II fanfiction on the A03, and won’t pretend not to be. But Anne comes across as a very sympathetic character all around, a patron of the arts, a loving spouse to her husband (who adored her and went bonkers when she died), doing her best to mediate between him and his family and nobles in an increasingly stressful situation.

Subcategory: Born into German realm, lived in (another) German realm: Wilhelmine of Bayreuth. Author of tell-all memoirs about her dreadful family, builder of magnificent Rokoko opera houses and palaces, one part of a co-dependent intense sibling relationship with brother Frederick the Great, like him a sometime composer and passionate music lover. Dreadful snob. (As noted by some snobbish themselves contemporaries.) (Hey, if both of your parents go after your self esteem throughout your childhood, you cling to whatever gives you a boost.) Great friend to have, though (ask Voltaire). More about her here.

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selenak: Only an idiot.... (LondoFritz by Cahn)
I wll say something about the swap suggestion that inspired this question at the end, because I have my own opinion about it, unsurprisingly, but first, here are some spontanous 18th Century ideas from yours truly. I tried to pick contemporaries of the same generation:


Kingdom Swap 1: Friedrich Wilhelm I. (Prussia) swaps with his first cousin George II (Britain and Hannover) )

Kingdom Swap 2: Stanislas I. Poniatowski (Poland) swaps with Joseph II (HRE) )

Kingdom, err, Realm Swap 3: Peter the Great (Russia) swaps with Gian Gastone de' Medici (Tuscany) )

Now, what [personal profile] thornyrose42 wrote to me was: I was listening to a podcast (You’re Dead to Me) where a comedian quipped that Peter III of Russia and Frederick the Great would have both been quite satisfied with a kingdom swap, since Peter admired Prussia so much and Frederick would not have said no to such a giant hunk of Empire.

Whether or not that is true, what do you think would be some of the best and worst kingdom swaps from your favourite periods? Whose style of governance was much better suited to another kingdom’s problems? Who managed where they were ruling but would have floundered when forced to deal with someone else’s political brew.


And okay, Peter III and Frederick are contemporaries but of two different generations, but here's my own opinion of how that would go: )

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selenak: (Richard III. by Vexana_Sky)
..."scholarly" meaning non-fiction and thus excluding "The Daughter of Time", Josephine Tey's novel. [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard asked me this, knowing I'm somewhat well disposed towards the last Plantagenet myself. Well, it's decades old, but I still think Paul Murray Kendall's biography of Richard is a good entry point. He lists and footnotes his sources well while also providing a readable narrative text, and where he inevitably speculates, he says that he does, instead of doing so, then in subsequent chapters treating the previous speculation as fact, which is an annoying habit biographers of many a historical person fall into. This said, it's been decades since I've read Kendall's book myself, so who knows maybe today I would feel differently? Who knows. (BTW, you might have come across Kendall before, Mildred, since he also wrote a biography of Richard's contemporary Louis XI.)

Now, as mentioned my own deep dive into the Yorkist Kings is rather dated, so I checked how the Richard III Society is doing these days, and lo, their website is very well organized and offers a lot to people interested. It reminds me of our Frederician Salon. Contrary to the caricature going on that the big argument for Ricardians is "he was nice and did nothing wrong" , the website offers a good introduction of what they're about, a bunch of interesting scholarly articles - like this one about the early pro-Richard historians, which includes some Georgian familiars like Horace Walpole, or this one about Richard's military career. ([personal profile] mildred_of_midgard is way more interested in military aspects of any given field of history than I am, gentle readers.) Best of all, they've actually uploaded complete translations of several key documents, like the Titulus Regius, i.e. the Act of Parliament in which Richard's takeover and the removal of young Edward the no longer V and his brother was given its official justification and which Henry VII ordered to be destroyed (only three copies survived, which is good, because the arguments used in the Titulus Regius aren't exactly the same as Tudor era historians claim they were. Long live the internet, say I, because back in the early 1990s when I had my big Ricardian phase I only ever read quotes from the Titulus Regius and any other document in biographies, and we sure as hell didn't have the chance to read a translation of the complete thing ourselves.

(Sidenote: The third Matthew Shardlake novel, Sovereign, has its lawyer detective hero find a copy of the Titulus Regius in York along with some other, though fictional documents, which perhaps helped awakening interest beyond Ricardian circles.)

The Website also offers a bunch of articles previously published in its journal, including one on what German merchant Niclas von Popplau actually wrote about his encounter with Richard III, and that was very interesting for me not because the guy is German but because the books I read only quoted the same three or four lines, the physical description of Richard, but not the rest (which includes among other things Popplau having heard the rumor about the princes being dead but speculating they're still alive though hidden and imprisoned somewhere), or that Popplau had a reccommendation letter from sister Margaret (of Burgundy) for Richard.

Inconclusion: as far as books go, start with the Kendall, and if you already know a bit about who is who (by which I don't just been the dramatis personnae in Richard's life time but who contemporary sources like Mancini or the Croyland Chronicle are, or even if you don't, check out the articles and documents at the website.

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selenak: (DuncanAmanda - Kathyh)
Dear Writer,

this exchange will be a highlight in my Februarly, and I'm very grateful to you for creating something for me in a fandom we share. My prompts are just that, prompts, not absolutes; if you have an idea that doesn't fit with any of them, but features (some of) the characters I asked for, I'll love it with added joyful surprise.

General DNWs:

A/B/O - if you want to write a werewolf AU for any of the canons I nominated, be my guest, but I'm really not into this particular type of story -, infantilisation, golden showers. Character bashing. (If the characters in question canonically loathe someone, you can of course include this, but I think you know the difference between that and having all characters agree about how terrible X is. Rape, unless it's canon and you want to explore how Character Y deals with the aftermath, or something like that.

General likes:

Character exploration, characters helping each other recover from trauma, messed up and/or co-dependent family relationships, witty banter, friendship against the odds, the occasional light moment in a darker story or conversely some serious character stuff thrown into a comedy fic.

Treats: are very welcome.

Babylon 5 )

Black Sails )

For All Mankind )

Jude Morgan - The King's Touch )

16th Century RPF )


18th Century RPF )

Around the World in 80 Days )
selenak: (Livia by Pixelbee)
If this year's Yuletide stories written by yours truly had a theme, it was "comedy with dark undertones". I had originally planned something else as my main gift to write, but then firstly a lot of real life stuff happened, and secondly I wanted to cheer myself up while writing, so I continued my quest to throw the most unlikely outrageous tropes at Frederick the Great. This time, it was babysitting comedy. Not involving an actual baby, but his ten years old brother, whom no one tries to eata, but it was still an eerie feeling to watch this year's Doctor Who Christmas Special and see that RTD had gone for babysitting comedy tropes as well. With my thing for messy family relationships in general and siblings relationships in particular, I always enjoy writing Frederick and the brother who was way too much like him for them to get on, and Frederick with my favourite of his long term boyfriends, Fredersdorf.


The Sitter (5885 words) by Selena
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: 18th Century CE RPF, 18th Century CE Frederician RPF
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great & Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen (1726-1802), Michael Gabriel Fredersdorf/Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great
Characters: Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great, Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen | Henry of Prussia (1726-1802), Michael Gabriel Fredersdorf
Additional Tags: Siblings, Dysfunctional Family, Slice of Life, Queering The Tide, Family, Humor, Established Relationship, Yuletide 2023, Yuletide
Summary:

Tragedy is behind him, glory ahead: Crown Prince Friedrich of Prussia is about to enjoy the best years of his life. At least that's what he thinks when fate inflicts what might be his harshest trial: having to take care of his brat of a younger brother...



Otoh, this story is another example of my tendency to get drawn into a fandom and emerge being primarily interest in not the juggernaut pairing and/or the characters the friend who tried to get me interested in. Not that the Third Century Crisis followed by the Tetrarchy in the late Roman Empire is a megafandom, and thus does not have a juggernaut pairing. But if there was one, it surely would have been the Emperors Diocletian/Maximian, who are the guys [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard wants to hear/read about. But while I do find them interesting, I am even more interested in the women around them - and one woman who started out really low on the social scale but ended up not just on top but surviving the various changes in power which had much of the remaining cast drop off like flies was Helena. Yes, the mother of Constatine (the Great). No, she wasn't a British princess. Why not more people fictionalizing her used her actual origins as a barmaid which are way more interesting at least from the 20th century onwards is a mystery to me, but hey: all the more fun to write about her for me, and to provide her perspective on the late Roman Game of Thrones:



Invicta (4566 words) by Selena
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: 3rd Century CE RPF
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Helena (Mother of Constantine)/Constantius, Helena (Mother of Constantine) & Diocletian, Emperor Diocletian/Emperor Maximian, Diocletian & Maximian & Constantius
Characters: Helena (Mother of Constantine), Gaius Aurelius Valerius Diocletianus | Emperor Diocletian, Flavius Valerius Constantius "Chlorus" | Emperor Constantius I., Marcus Aurelius Valerius Maximianus | Emperor Maximian, Constantine the Great (d. 337 CE), Aurelia Prisca (d. 315 CE)
Additional Tags: POV Female Character, Game of Thrones-esque, Yuletide Treat, Yuletide, Yuletide 2023, Origin Story
Summary:

Tell me if you’ve heard this one before: three future Emperors walk into a bar. The one who’s going to end up with the Empire is the barmaid.

 

Or: Helena, history has its eyes on you....

selenak: (Gaal Dornick - Foundation)
Emerging dazedly with my first bunch of reccommendations:.


Roman History

Something Familiar, Something Peculiar, Something for Everyone: Julia, the daughter of Caesar Augustus, has just learned that her father plans to marry her off to his best friend, Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. She is unexcited by this prospect. Agrippa convinces her of the potential mutual advantages of this alliance.

(I've always had a soft spot for these two separately and together, and written about them myself, so it was lovely read this different and delightful take on Agrippa convincing Julia they can actually be a good match.

The Last Unicorn:

An Autumn Dirge: And so the unicorn left her forest for the second time.

(Heartbreakingly beautiful and poetic at the same time. Just like the original.)


Matthew Shardlake Mysteries

De Humani Nexus Fabrica (On the Fabric of Human Connection): A collection of short pieces in a variety of genres about Guy, Matthew, and their friendship.

Guy Malton is probably my favourite supporting character in this series of books, and the relationsohip beween him and the novels' hero, Matthew Shardlake, one of my favourite elements. I loved this layered take on them.

Sweeney Todd

Walking with a Ghost Johanna goes to see her father's grave.

(Johanna is one of the few characters still standing at the end of Sondheim's musical, and she has had an incredibly messed up life so far. This story gives her the chance to learn the truth about her parents and (start) to come to terms with what has happened.)

Willow (tv)

I liked this short lived tv series, cancelled after only one season. For me, it had great charm and a similar mixture of humor and heart than the movie had. So I was delighted to see all the fanfic this Yuletide:

Pierced through the heart (but never killed): Thraxus Boorman grows up.

(In which we find out his backstory, how his connection with Madmartigan happened, and it's a fun growing up tale with a heartbreaking ending.)

Making Magic: They could do with another wizard. Elora thinks Bavmorda's granddaughter would be perfect but Kit disagrees.

(The way the series wrote both Elora and Kit against expectations, reversing tropes, as it were, was great, and their relationship one of the most interesting in the tv show to me. This story is a good illustration of why.)

Wheel of Time (tv)

The Truth You Think You Hear: Nynaeve manages to channel when Liandrin leaves them with the Seanchan, and her weave interacts unexpectedly with the Waygate.

(Liandrin is a character who on paper could have been one dimensional but who, especially in the second season, as played by Kate Fleetwood is absolutely fascinating. So was the way she sparked off Nynaeve on the show, and here in this story.)

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