I building up the strength to rant on the Southerness. I knew the Klan was coming, they've been in the credits all along, but it was how it was done that really bugged me. Not subtle at all.
Oh, good, if you do this rant, I can just link and complain about the other major anvilly thing. Because we all know where Justin's preachings about the rich industrialists and bankers who first fattened themselves on Europe and then on the Us are going, don't we? I mean, it's historically valid. Antisemitism is a big part of the 30s for obvious reasons. But if they actually do a Hitler-as-influenced by Justin thing, or a Hitler as the next activated antichrist once Ben defeats/kills Justin thing, I'll throw stuff on the tv. Demonization of the Nazis just drives me crazy. (I mean demonization in the sense of "the devil made them do it", not in the sense of "they were bad", which of course is putting mildly.)
I saw the inner conflict in the line you mentioned and also in "He means to kill me." It is the first vision of Justin's that paints Ben in such a bad light (that I remember) and I saw in all settling in at that moment, a realization of his fate. I think that moment is the last bit of inner conflict about his destiny (not to say there won't be inner conflict about other things). In that moment there was conflict and finally resolve. There is no reason for conflict, he is sure of Ben's motives now and therefore his own.
Oh. Well, that is a plausible interpretation which makes me feel better - thanks! Though, re: earlier negative visions of Ben by Justin - I suppose that depends on how you interpret the mirror vision where he rips off his own skin and Ben emerges. Which I found really intriguing.
The animal noises were important because they were bear noises. (which is why I asked earlier about who the bear was in Ben's dreams).
Ah. Incidentally, I forgot to answer that question, but now that you bring it up, I honestly can't recall - I had a tough time following Ben's dreams because the first six eps I got from snurch_tv were in a far worse visual quality then your sendings.
Anyway, if there is a connection, then of course there is a reason beyond the horror thing.
Oh, btw - I looked for communities and message boards and older messages I can safely read and found there is some disagreement about whether or not Justin and Iris had sex after the kiss in 1.11. and before the extremely uncomfortable breakfeast in 1.12. Somehow, I don't think so - this show otherwise isn't coy and ambiguous about just when two people have sex. But it's certainly open to interpretation. Your take?
You are right about the loss of subtlety but that almost had to happen for the battle to escalate.
Yes, which is why I don't accuse the show of cheating. They did say in the first opening monologue that we were in for said battle. Still... I suppose Babylon 5 which managed to keep the ambiguity of its characters throughout the great battles spoiled me for all future shows in this regard.
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Date: 2005-02-08 08:18 pm (UTC)Oh, good, if you do this rant, I can just link and complain about the other major anvilly thing. Because we all know where Justin's preachings about the rich industrialists and bankers who first fattened themselves on Europe and then on the Us are going, don't we? I mean, it's historically valid. Antisemitism is a big part of the 30s for obvious reasons. But if they actually do a Hitler-as-influenced by Justin thing, or a Hitler as the next activated antichrist once Ben defeats/kills Justin thing, I'll throw stuff on the tv. Demonization of the Nazis just drives me crazy. (I mean demonization in the sense of "the devil made them do it", not in the sense of "they were bad", which of course is putting mildly.)
I saw the inner conflict in the line you mentioned and also in "He means to kill me." It is the first vision of Justin's that paints Ben in such a bad light (that I remember) and I saw in all settling in at that moment, a realization of his fate. I think that moment is the last bit of inner conflict about his destiny (not to say there won't be inner conflict about other things). In that moment there was conflict and finally resolve. There is no reason for conflict, he is sure of Ben's motives now and therefore his own.
Oh. Well, that is a plausible interpretation which makes me feel better - thanks! Though, re: earlier negative visions of Ben by Justin - I suppose that depends on how you interpret the mirror vision where he rips off his own skin and Ben emerges. Which I found really intriguing.
The animal noises were important because they were bear noises. (which is why I asked earlier about who the bear was in Ben's dreams).
Ah. Incidentally, I forgot to answer that question, but now that you bring it up, I honestly can't recall - I had a tough time following Ben's dreams because the first six eps I got from snurch_tv were in a far worse visual quality then your sendings.
Anyway, if there is a connection, then of course there is a reason beyond the horror thing.
Oh, btw - I looked for communities and message boards and older messages I can safely read and found there is some disagreement about whether or not Justin and Iris had sex after the kiss in 1.11. and before the extremely uncomfortable breakfeast in 1.12. Somehow, I don't think so - this show otherwise isn't coy and ambiguous about just when two people have sex. But it's certainly open to interpretation. Your take?
You are right about the loss of subtlety but that almost had to happen for the battle to escalate.
Yes, which is why I don't accuse the show of cheating. They did say in the first opening monologue that we were in for said battle. Still... I suppose Babylon 5 which managed to keep the ambiguity of its characters throughout the great battles spoiled me for all future shows in this regard.