Since you thought that was fun, here is a rather more detailed comment containing EVEN MORE FLAILS :D
Sinclair: *pulls back hood* Me: WHAAAAT IT'S SINCLAIR??????? Me: ...now wait a moment, I've been told Sinclair comes back once and that is going to HAVE to be the episode where Babylon Squared is dealt with because someone would have WARNED me if JMS didn't close that loop -- Ivanova: They're killing us! Me: OMG IT'S TIME-WARPED IVANOVA THIS IS DEFINITELY ALL B2 RELATED Me: WHAT IS GOING ON Me: SINCLAIR CAME BACK TO B5 Me: Sinclair and Sheridan are super cute together, awwww... Ivanova: We assumed B4 had been taken into the future. Me: WAIT! I ASSUMED THIS TOO! WAIT WHAT Sheridan: Are you saying we stole B4? Me: ARE YOU SAYING THEY STOLE B4?? Future!Londo: *appears on screen* Me: LONDO???? Delenn: Our son -- Me: Oh, of course! [Not spoiled, but as I mentioned before I had definitely gotten through osmosis of these posts the idea that Delenn has other motives, and ~child of destiny/two worlds/etc.~ is definitely a trope I grew up on, so this was probably the least surprising plot twist. I mean, still surprised! But not AS surprised.] Me: IS THIS ALL REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN?? Me: LONDO??!! Londo: Old friend... Me: Old friend? Vir? That's not Vir? Who is that? G'KAR THAT'S G'KAR OMG Me: THAT'S G'KAR STRANGLING LONDO LIKE IN THE VISION Me: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me: THERE'S VIR LOOKING AT THE THONE!! OMG HE'S GOING TO BE EMPEROR NOW LIKE IN THE PROPHECY Me: THE LETTER WAS FROM SINCLAIR?? Me: Is... is Sinclair Valen? Me: THE ONE IS DELENN?? [I was legit confused about this -- I thought that the One had been older!Sinclair, but younger!Sinclair didn't fit being "The One." In retrospect I'm not sure why I believed this??] Me: A MINBARI NOT BORN OF MINBARI Me: He IS VALEN Me: THE THINGIE THAT TURNS MINBARI INTO HUMANS Me: AND APPARENTLY VICE VERSA Me: ALL THAT STUFF IN PARLIAMENT OF DREAMS STARTS TO MAKE SENSE Me: JMS HAS BEEN PLANNING ALL THIS SINCE S1????????????????? Me: HE IS LEGIT CRAZY
-Also, poor Zathras. No one listens to him! (You'd think they would!)
-I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT NOW I KNOW HOW LONDO'S DEATH SCENE HAPPENED and yet I... have more questions now??
-ase explained to me that Sinclair tried to change history with the "watch your back," but failed... I completely missed that.
Questions (I think these are just to be answered if they're legit dangling threads that don't show up later, obviously don't answer if they are plot hooks): -I'm still not sure I understand all the time twists and the things that won't happen vs. the things that will... so I may be off base here... but This was the moment Garibaldi was born for, and he didn't get to have it?? -I don't understand when you can change the future and when you can't... they changed the future from the one where Ivanova was calling, but they can't change prophecies. I think. So maybe they can change part of this happening? Surely Centauri taken over by Shadows can't be the endgame?? But the fact of Londo's death can't be changed...
(My flinching upon the sight of the Keeper hasn't changed, either, upon nth repetition. Mind control is vile, body control of that type isn't any better, and I remember how urgently younger me hoped Londo would SOMEHOW manage to avoid that fate.)
Same! And there was something about the way the camera snapped to that eye opening that was just really horrific.
Making Sinclair essentially the Minbari Messiah these days could have come across as problematic
Hm - didn't strike me that way, but because the Minbari have always seemed like they knew a lot more and were a lot more advanced than humans. Although I guess part of the reason they're more advanced (maybe all of the reason??) is because of Sinclair... but he wouldn't have been able to go back if it weren't for Minbari... agh, time loops make everything hard, lol.
In a new body, without the help Delenn had in her equivalent situation (though with Delenn's example proving to him it can be done).
Ohhhh... crap. That hadn't occurred to me, that he wouldn't have had the help Delenn had.
I did know who "Lewis and Clark" were, though I first heard it as "Lois and Clark" before realising he couldn't have meant them... could he?
I TOTALLY heard this as Lois and Clark and was like "...I didn't realize this show had quite so many slashy vibes??"
Delenn's hybrid status is of course why in "Babylon Squared", we hear her voice but don't see her yet in the final scene, since her eventual transformation is one of the s1 mysteries.
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Date: 2022-06-06 04:34 am (UTC)Sinclair: *pulls back hood*
Me: WHAAAAT IT'S SINCLAIR???????
Me: ...now wait a moment, I've been told Sinclair comes back once and that is going to HAVE to be the episode where Babylon Squared is dealt with because someone would have WARNED me if JMS didn't close that loop --
Ivanova: They're killing us!
Me: OMG IT'S TIME-WARPED IVANOVA THIS IS DEFINITELY ALL B2 RELATED
Me: WHAT IS GOING ON
Me: SINCLAIR CAME BACK TO B5
Me: Sinclair and Sheridan are super cute together, awwww...
Ivanova: We assumed B4 had been taken into the future.
Me: WAIT! I ASSUMED THIS TOO! WAIT WHAT
Sheridan: Are you saying we stole B4?
Me: ARE YOU SAYING THEY STOLE B4??
Future!Londo: *appears on screen*
Me: LONDO????
Delenn: Our son --
Me: Oh, of course! [Not spoiled, but as I mentioned before I had definitely gotten through osmosis of these posts the idea that Delenn has other motives, and ~child of destiny/two worlds/etc.~ is definitely a trope I grew up on, so this was probably the least surprising plot twist. I mean, still surprised! But not AS surprised.]
Me: IS THIS ALL REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN??
Me: LONDO??!!
Londo: Old friend...
Me: Old friend? Vir? That's not Vir? Who is that? G'KAR THAT'S G'KAR OMG
Me: THAT'S G'KAR STRANGLING LONDO LIKE IN THE VISION
Me: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me: THERE'S VIR LOOKING AT THE THONE!! OMG HE'S GOING TO BE EMPEROR NOW LIKE IN THE PROPHECY
Me: THE LETTER WAS FROM SINCLAIR??
Me: Is... is Sinclair Valen?
Me: THE ONE IS DELENN?? [I was legit confused about this -- I thought that the One had been older!Sinclair, but younger!Sinclair didn't fit being "The One." In retrospect I'm not sure why I believed this??]
Me: A MINBARI NOT BORN OF MINBARI
Me: He IS VALEN
Me: THE THINGIE THAT TURNS MINBARI INTO HUMANS
Me: AND APPARENTLY VICE VERSA
Me: ALL THAT STUFF IN PARLIAMENT OF DREAMS STARTS TO MAKE SENSE
Me: JMS HAS BEEN PLANNING ALL THIS SINCE S1?????????????????
Me: HE IS LEGIT CRAZY
-Also, poor Zathras. No one listens to him! (You'd think they would!)
-I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT NOW I KNOW HOW LONDO'S DEATH SCENE HAPPENED and yet I... have more questions now??
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Questions (I think these are just to be answered if they're legit dangling threads that don't show up later, obviously don't answer if they are plot hooks):
-I'm still not sure I understand all the time twists and the things that won't happen vs. the things that will... so I may be off base here... but This was the moment Garibaldi was born for, and he didn't get to have it??
-I don't understand when you can change the future and when you can't... they changed the future from the one where Ivanova was calling, but they can't change prophecies. I think. So maybe they can change part of this happening? Surely Centauri taken over by Shadows can't be the endgame?? But the fact of Londo's death can't be changed...
(My flinching upon the sight of the Keeper hasn't changed, either, upon nth repetition. Mind control is vile, body control of that type isn't any better, and I remember how urgently younger me hoped Londo would SOMEHOW manage to avoid that fate.)
Same! And there was something about the way the camera snapped to that eye opening that was just really horrific.
Making Sinclair essentially the Minbari Messiah these days could have come across as problematic
Hm - didn't strike me that way, but because the Minbari have always seemed like they knew a lot more and were a lot more advanced than humans. Although I guess part of the reason they're more advanced (maybe all of the reason??) is because of Sinclair... but he wouldn't have been able to go back if it weren't for Minbari... agh, time loops make everything hard, lol.
In a new body, without the help Delenn had in her equivalent situation (though with Delenn's example proving to him it can be done).
Ohhhh... crap. That hadn't occurred to me, that he wouldn't have had the help Delenn had.
I did know who "Lewis and Clark" were, though I first heard it as "Lois and Clark" before realising he couldn't have meant them... could he?
I TOTALLY heard this as Lois and Clark and was like "...I didn't realize this show had quite so many slashy vibes??"
Delenn's hybrid status is of course why in "Babylon Squared", we hear her voice but don't see her yet in the final scene, since her eventual transformation is one of the s1 mysteries.
OH! I didn't realize that until you said it.