Heroes 2.11
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selenakFirstly, I kind of guessed that we'd end with a cliffhanger re: Nathan, as a direct parallel to last season's Fallout which ended, if you recall, with Peter's non-breathing-anymore in Nathan's arms, and given how much this show loves mirroring and parallels, I figured we'd get one with Nathan in Peter's arms, but I had thought it would be because of the virus. It coming because he's getting shot is actually a relief because come on. Matt survived four bullets (courtesy of Sylar) in last season's finale without any healing blood anywhere near him. Which means I'm really not worried about Nathan's impending demise. On the other hand, the assassination attempt via gun, not supernatural means, brings him back into the political plotline, and echoes the varies1960s assassinations, and it prepares an obvious interfamily conflict, not the obvious one (Angela and her sons) but between the Bennets and the Petrellis, since Noah just rejoined the Company.
(I'm not sure they'll go as far as having had Noah made the assassination attempt himself or planned himself. Could be, though. Could be. Very juicy set-up.)
Now that the cliffhanger is being dealt with:
1) To no one's grief, we've seen the end of the Claire-West romance. I'm actually glad they didn't write West of the show in a lethal way, because Claire doesn't need any more corpses to angst about right now, especially not with the impending big conflict between her fathers (see above). The scene with Sandra hurt in a dramatically fascinating way, because it's the first time we've seen Claire pull the special-and-not-your-biological-daughter card on Sandra, and I hope in the next volume we'll see some follow-up and exploration of her relationship with her mother, which we didn't get much of previously. It's ironic that Claire comes to the same conclusion as Nathan does in this episode re: secrets and safety, and both are stopped by the Company and the previous generation, but in very different ways.
2) I got my Hiro-sees-Nathan-again-and-knows-he's-not-a-villain scene. Granted, it was extremely short, but still, it was there, and hey, missing scenes and all! I predict fanfic covering the following: Hiro finding out what happened at Kirby Plaza, Hiro and Nathan talk some more, Hiro at Nathan's bedside post assassination attempt. If no one else writes it, I will.
3) Speaking of Hiro: yes, he did change. He pulled a Connor on Adam/Kensei. For non-Angel-watchers, that refers to burying Adam alive with the intention of leaving him there for the rest of eternity. Hiro thinking death is too good or Hiro stilll balking at killing Adam? You decide. Again, worth character exploration in fanfic.
4) Petrellis: and everytime we think they can't get more screwed up... Speculation that Angela was the one who helped Adam back in the day pays off (note she's also sure he won't come after her in present day anymore), and here we see her accept the necessity of both her sons dying for different reasons. Nathan's utterly non-surprised by the news when Matt gives it to him. And yet at the same time, you could see the impact both when Angela heard Peter is alive (so she didn't know what the Haitian did!) and when she gets the Nathan-has-been-shot news at the end.
5) Brotherly reunion: more than the reunion itself, the follow-up scene with "I missed you" was what reduced me to wibbles.
6) Niki. You know, I've come to like Niki very much, shaky s1 storyline or not, which is due to a combination of writing her in fanfic and her s2 scenes starting with "Out of Time". If this was her end, I think it was a good one, reemphasizing the show's idea that you don't need superpowers to be a hero, and adding the tragic irony of Niki dying in a fire after saving DL's and Micah's cousin from it as a mirror to DL being a fireman in the end. "I'll be a fireman when the flood rolls out". RIP Niki, if you're dead. More fanfic on you, too, covering those last months.
7) Sylar. Still alive. Why?
8) Otoh, the Bishops are getting to be competition to the Petrellis with the screwed-up stakes as Elle wants to be a hero for her father AFTER hearing more of the gruesome experiments back in the day. Oh, Elle.
9) Resurrected Maya: is okay by me in as much as Maya becoming yet another dead Sylar victim would have heightened the dead women and dead pocs on this show, and hopefully her character will get fleshed out more in the future, now that she's definitely in a different storyline. Also, the gunshot thing hammered the point home that Nathan won't die, not that I expect this to change certain reactions because I know fandom.
10) "We'll never talk about this again": funniest line of the episode. Matt and Nathan were this volume's unexpected and best team-up.
11) In case we ever doubted it, Adam/Kensei was definitely in love with Hiro, not Yaeko. "You were more than that to me."
All in all, I loved the episode, but I'm a bit scared to look at other people's reactions, because I expect them to be all about the cliffhanger and nothing about the ep...
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Date: 2007-12-04 09:34 am (UTC)Actually, before they rewrote the episode because of the strike, it was because of the virus - so, yes, we would have gotten this cliffhanger either way. And I'm pretty sure it's a set up, anyway, but more on that after I've finally finished watching the episode.
(Btw, I'm glad you're taking it this way, even though I'm a tiny bit disappointed not to see/hear you roar. *g*)
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Date: 2007-12-04 09:45 am (UTC)Plus, you know: much better set up, consequence-wise, as I said. For both Angela and Noah....
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Date: 2007-12-04 10:28 am (UTC)OK, you can hold my hand then *g*. I'm sure you're right but it's not going to stop me worrying.
I did wonder if Noah might have pulled the trigger as he's certainly capable of it and it would lead to some delicious angstiness if found out. I strongly suspected that the greatest crime a special could commit in Company eyes was to go public and I think I was right.
RIP Niki, if you're dead.
I think she is. Her death as a mirror to DL's kind of proves it to me.
Lots of good stuff in this episode as you've mentioned. One thing that seemed emphasised was how scarily powerful Peter is. If he decides on revenge against the Company because of Nathan it could be a fascinating storyline.
Now, I wonder how long I shall need to gnaw my nails!
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Date: 2007-12-04 10:36 am (UTC)This scene was just BEGGING for Sandra to come back with the "mind-wiped repeatedly by the company over the course of 16 years" card, and join her daughter in her fight. I'm appalled that it's pretty much like that part never happened, as far as they let it inform the characters' actions. Sheesh. Even LYLE had his memory altered by them. Their frickin' house blew up because the company hurt people with superpowers. They could've united as a family against the company on this basis alone: that it screwed *each* of them over.
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Date: 2007-12-04 10:42 am (UTC)And Simone. (And Thompson, one of the secondary white guys who wasn't resurrected.) And Eden. Who shot herself.
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Date: 2007-12-04 10:53 am (UTC)The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the whole press conference thing was a setup - the dialogue and the facial reactions in the "three boys in a vault" scene was pretty ambiguous, and even though the writers like to write their characters somewhat "ignorant" now and then, I doubt that Nathan wouldn't suspect there to be a video camera in the vault, especially after we had Mohinder quite pointedly spot/look at the one in Isaac's studio. I also think Angela could have believably talked to Nathan in the end and not Bob - opening Pandora's Box is basically what he did, since now the public knows something has to be going on for which he was worth assassinating, and he was giving enough hints to a conspiracy for people to get very suspicious, but of course it could absolutely come back and hit them in the face. As for the tears, seriously, seeing your son shot on TV, even if it's likely fake, is certainly not something you want to see as a mother.
I also don't think the shooter was actually Bennet, because that person was too slight and too short to be him, so unless they couldn't get Jack Coleman for that, it should be someone else.
because if it had been because of the virus, you'd have Peter directly responsible AGAIN, and we don't need that.
Very true, although since I believe that the resolution would have been Peter doing some time traveling au FutureHiro and trying to destroy the virus in the past, we probably missed out on some opportunity for growth. Not that this couldn't happen in another way, though, and by now I'm officially tired of Nathan as the Damsel in Distress. (And really, given Pete's "dumber than a rock" reputation, it's good that they didn't go down this road.)
As for the rest:
Hiro and Nathan was too short, but cute. Hiro and Adam was... interesting. I didn't think he had that in him, to be honest; burying someone alive is a pretty evil way to get rid of them - cutting off his head may have been more merciful (and would have killed any chances of Adam coming back, of course, which seems to be the overall point).
Niki: I heard rumours that Ali Larter wanted to be released, so I'm guessing she is gone. It was a very heroic ending, although I still would have preferred it if she and D.L. could have had a happy riding-off-into-the-sunset ending last season. Would have spared Micah all the therapy and a future as a supervillain, too...
7) Popularity? Quinto's enchanting mug? Sylar's Popeye imitation with the spinach in the end?
The Bishops: I love them! I'm so glad that Bob survived! (And is apparently differently evil than I thought, but still evil. And did you see the fishing picture on his desk? That was priceless.)
Maya: I'm with you here in being glad that they didn't just kill her off. Maybe they can even find a personality for her now. Or she could take a long trip around the world to find herself?
11) In case we ever doubted it, Adam/Kensei was definitely in love with Hiro, not Yaeko. "You were more than that to me."
Aww. They still are my favourite OT3.
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Date: 2007-12-04 10:56 am (UTC)There, there. Just think of the West Wing and Josh, and Matt on Heroes last season, plus various resurrections this season. Also what Joss did to Scott in the last two copies of AXM. It's a tried and true cliffhanger, and again, intended as a mirror to the Fallout cliffhanger. Which, as you'll recall, led to Peter in a coma in the next episode after the hiatus, granted, but he was awake and about before it ended. I expect the same thing here, possibly even faster, because we already had Nathan hospital scenes. Though maybe they want to do a mirror of the coma kiss first, which is fine by me.
One thing that seemed emphasised was how scarily powerful Peter is.
Yes. The only time we've seen him like that before was at the climax of 5YG, and that was not a good place to be for anyone. It also emphasized that just as Nathan needed him last season in order not to give in to the power temptation, Peter needs Nathan.
If he decides on revenge against the Company because of Nathan it could be a fascinating storyline.
Especially if Noah was either involved or directly responsible for the shooting as we suspect. I mean, I suppose Bob was the one Angela was talking to on the phone at the end, but he definitely wasn't the one in Texas.
Now, I wonder how long I shall need to gnaw my nails!
Curse it, studios, give in and pay the writers already!
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Date: 2007-12-04 11:12 am (UTC)Hmmmm, also a possibility. In that case, what do you think they'd hope to gain with a public assassination attempt? Put pressure under the Company?
by now I'm officially tired of Nathan as the Damsel in Distress.
Come one, be fair. He was the Damsel in Distress only twice. By comparison, Peter was the damsel through most of the first season (with the exception of Homecoming and Unexpected) and had to be rescued by Nathan, Claude, Claire et all; Ando was the damsel for Hiro repeatedly, including the dead in the future part; and poor Niki was through much of the first season, too.
(All of this doesn't mean I want another Nathan cliffhanger, mind. I'll be happy if this is the last one, too. But they couldn't pull another Peter cliffhanger - in addition to "Fallout", we had those in "Parasite", another hiatus episode, and in the freaking pilot - and though Matt and Mohinder had great storylines this season, I don't think leaving either of them in peril would have had the same effect. Claire or Hiro, maybe, but a convincing Hiro death fakeout would be very hard to do!)
Hiro and Adam was... interesting. I didn't think he had that in him, to be honest; burying someone alive is a pretty evil way to get rid of them - cutting off his head may have been more merciful (and would have killed any chances of Adam coming back, of course, which seems to be the overall point).
Which is why I said: "Hiro pulled a Connor". It's a really dark thing, as it was when Connor did it to Angel, and come to think of it, motivated in a similar way - the death of a father (Holtz in Connor's case) factors in, as does the fact there was/is this intimate connection to the person buried, plus the "I should have killed you before, and if I had, my father would still be alive".
The Bishops: I love them! I'm so glad that Bob survived! (And is apparently differently evil than I thought, but still evil. And did you see the fishing picture on his desk? That was priceless.)
Yes. That completely cracked me up. (The fishing picture.) And I'm glad that Bob is alive and of a brand of evil that isn't the must-destroy-world type, too.
One of many missing scenes fic I want to write is the Bob and Noah re-hiring conversation...
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Date: 2007-12-04 11:36 am (UTC)Yes, pretty much. If you think about it the other way, it would be dumb of the Company to take him out while he spills his secret - either kill him before that, or try to discredit him, which given his past wouldn't be that incredibly difficult.
Now that it looks like someone wanted to silence him, his words get more credit, especially if they play it as him actually being dead.
Come one, be fair. He was the Damsel in Distress only twice.
Actually, four times - in all episodes after 5YG because of Sylar, at the end of Season 1, in all episodes after Out of Time because of the virus, and now because of the shooting. And it's not that Claire's or Niki's constant DID status doesn't annoy me, too, but so far, she's never been in danger at the end of a season.
(I think with Peter it is really mostly that I wouldn't buy that they kill him, and that I know that he will develop into that hero eventually, anyway.)
and though Matt and Mohinder had great storylines this season, I don't think leaving either of them in peril would have had the same effect.
Certainly not. As for Claire or Hiro being in peril, given that Nathan's situation apparently caused a TWOP breakdown last night, I don't dare to imagine what that would do to the internet.
Which is why I said: "Hiro pulled a Connor".
For me the difference is that while I love Connor, I never would have doubted that he would be dark enough to do this. Hiro is a completely different matter where this is concerned, which is why this action threw me.
Yes. That completely cracked me up. (The fishing picture.)
Somewhat meandering thinking here, but given that Peter and Nathan also have a fishing picture, maybe Bob went fishing with Arthur back in the day!
One of many missing scenes fic I want to write is the Bob and Noah re-hiring conversation...
That would indeed be very interesting!
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Date: 2007-12-04 11:54 am (UTC)Yeah, that was a shocker to me. I almost expected angry retaliation from Sandra, and I hope to see exploration of their relationship -- especially if Sandra keeps seeing Claire being drawn away by the mutant world. The show already textually divides the family into Sandra-Lyle and Noah-Claire units, visually and in stories. For Sandra to see the pattern of West, and the Petrellis, and even Elle and conclude that she will never live in her daughter's world... well, that's got a good emotional punch to it.
Hiro thinking death is too good or Hiro stilll balking at killing Adam? You decide. Again, worth character exploration in fanfic.
I ultimately think it's balking at killing. Even though he could run Sylar through, that was a different situation. Killing a man who was once his friend, who he blames himself for betraying, in relatively cold blood? Hiro can't do that. What he has done, however, is ultimately worse. Peter and Claire are so going to hear about this for the rest of eternity!
Petrellis: and everytime we think they can't get more screwed up...
I have decided that their limit of their screwed up-ness is actually 0, as X goes to infinity.
And yet at the same time, you could see the impact both when Angela heard Peter is alive (so she didn't know what the Haitian did!) and when she gets the Nathan-has-been-shot news at the end.
I really, really want to see Angela interact with Nathan in the hospital after this. Because that scene was extremely ambiguous. I jumped to the conclusion that Angela was in on the shooting, but perhaps not. Perhaps she is just threatening vicious Petrelli vengeance on the conspirators (presumably Bob and Noah).
And, seriously, this kind of stuff is exactly why they don't have brunches. Can you imagine the awkwardness?
the follow-up scene with "I missed you" was what reduced me to wibbles.
I knooooow. And that long hug. Seriously, I don't think that would have ended at all without the press conference.
8) Otoh, the Bishops are getting to be competition to the Petrellis with the screwed-up stakes as Elle wants to be a hero for her father AFTER hearing more of the gruesome experiments back in the day. Oh, Elle.
And she doesn't even get that saving Mohinder, Maya, and Molly's lives is also a worthwhile mission. She looked so pleased, surprised, and confused at Mohinder's gratitude!
So, do you think Maya will go live with them now? Maybe they could throw Monica and Micah into, so the House of M would be complete.
All in all, I loved the episode, but I'm a bit scared to look at other people's reactions, because I expect them to be all about the cliffhanger and nothing about the ep...
Me too. I think billing it as a fall finale, and the strike gives a lot more importance to apparent deaths than there really is, and I suspect there is a lot of flailing going on.
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:03 pm (UTC)That's an understatement. They broke the TWOP server! (Seriously, I felt totally sorry and wanted to bake cookies for everyone. Have to say though that seeing it was a lot less dramatical than reading KV's take on it, which still seems way too exaggerated for me.)
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-04 12:12 pm (UTC)Yes, and since we got some great Sandra scenes in recent episodes, I hope there will be more, responding to this. Mind you, given that Noah in "Parasite" unwittingly makes one of the saddest comments about their marriage I can think of when saying "I didn't know I could talk to you like this" (which means he never ever treated her as a partner, neither before nor during the Company years), and the keeping secrets from Sandra is something both Noah and Claire keep falling back into doing, I'm not suprised Claire went that way at this particular point. And I do want Sandra to react.
(Oh, and to the happy "I'm back with the Company I just told you was the epitome of evil!" news, of course.)
What he has done, however, is ultimately worse. Peter and Claire are so going to hear about this for the rest of eternity!
Unless someone beheads Adam when he inevitably returns, they will.
I jumped to the conclusion that Angela was in on the shooting, but perhaps not. Perhaps she is just threatening vicious Petrelli vengeance on the conspirators (presumably Bob and Noah).
I actually thought that this was Bob telling her about the shooting afterwards, not before, BUT that she didn't threaten revenge but basically said "I expected as much, and I understand". However, the "Pandora's Box" comment clearly referred to Peter.
(Unless Wee_Warrior is right and Angela is actually talking to Nathan, not Bob here.)
She looked so pleased, surprised, and confused at Mohinder's gratitude!
And suddenly so very young.
Maya: yes, I think she'll move in with Molly and Mohinder. However, I foresee trouble on the Matt front, because Matt of course will be in charge of investigating Nathan's shooting, and he's firmly on the Nathan side of things now, which means that if Mohinder stays with the Company, Molly might go through a daddy divorce!
I think billing it as a fall finale, and the strike gives a lot more importance to apparent deaths than there really is
Didn't "Fallout" also have Jessica seemingly shooting DL in addition to the Peter cliffhanger? But yes, if the strike didn't exist and people would be sure the next episode comes early next year, they'd just take it as a normal hiatus cliffhanger.
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-04 12:27 pm (UTC)Secrecy and paternalism, sadly, are what Claire is used to. It's how the Bennets run and how the Petrellis run. But she rebels when she disagrees with it, so I don't think she sees quite how this effects the peacekeepers of the family. She probably thinks that Sandra doesn't mind. :(
(Oh, and to the happy "I'm back with the Company I just told you was the epitome of evil!" news, of course.)
Yeeeeah. I was really expected more reaction there. I'm half wondering if that scene was added when they changed the episode to give more closure to that story. If Nathan originally got the virus, it may have, since it clearly sets Noah up as a suspect in his shooting and they otherwise wouldn't have needed that scene.
I actually thought that this was Bob telling her about the shooting afterwards, not before, BUT that she didn't threaten revenge but basically said "I expected as much, and I understand". However, the "Pandora's Box" comment clearly referred to Peter.
I assumed it was conspirators talking. If so, then she's talking about Peter's reaction. If not, and it was Bob basically confessing to what he's done, it feels like a severing of ties and threat of vengeance. Yes, she understands his reason. But no you don't get to put her sons in danger. Only she gets to do that.
(Unless Wee_Warrior is right and Angela is actually talking to Nathan, not Bob here.)
That would be a very interesting twist, but I'm not sure I think Angela would agree that exposing them to the world "had to be done."
However, I foresee trouble on the Matt front, because Matt of course will be in charge of investigating Nathan's shooting, and he's firmly on the Nathan side of things now, which means that if Mohinder stays with the Company, Molly might go through a daddy divorce!
Poor Molly. :( I'm surprised, actually, that there hasn't been more conflict over the Company between Matt and Mohinder. Mohinder was trying to take them down, and Matt knew that even when he went to Hartsdale to protect Bob.
Didn't "Fallout" also have Jessica seemingly shooting DL in addition to the Peter cliffhanger? But yes, if the strike didn't exist and people would be sure the next episode comes early next year, they'd just take it as a normal hiatus cliffhanger.
That was in Homecoming, actually. Fallout resolved it. I think the only cliffhangers at that point were Peter fainting and Claire finding everyone had their memories wiped.
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:28 pm (UTC)And now I'm rewatching again...
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:36 pm (UTC)Conflict between Matt and Mohinder: well, they hardly had any opportunity to talk after their big argument about it in "Kindness of Strangers", what with Matt hanging out with the Petrellis and Mohinder with the Bishops...
Oh, and I forgot the last time:
And the loooong hug. Seriously, I don't think that would have ended at all without the press conference.
Italianness, you are with us again!
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:45 pm (UTC)Yeah, I could see that. Although they did intend to end the Volume in eleven all along, and so they may have planned to wrap up everything anyway. I always assumed everything except the virus would be wrapped up.
Conflict between Matt and Mohinder: well, they hardly had any opportunity to talk after their big argument about it in "Kindness of Strangers", what with Matt hanging out with the Petrellis and Mohinder with the Bishops...
True, the time line has been particularly tight for them. But, for domestic partners, they certainly don't speak very much. It's almost enough to make me think their whole affair is just a plot of convenience, because the writers didn't want to choose who had better claim to Molly... ;)
Italianness, you are with us again!
Never leave again!
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:49 pm (UTC)(Also, Bob, having "Midas" as your password is the kind of lax security that Veronica Mars would have severely mocked in voiceover.)
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Date: 2007-12-04 12:57 pm (UTC)Matt and Mohinder: *g* Well, you know, marriages of convenience are a millennia old tradition, plus Matt has a pattern of getting on better with his working partners than with his domestic ones!
Slightly more serious, that's why I didn't buy Matt/Mohinder as a slash pairing. It seemed to me an arrangement for Molly's benefit and because neither of them wanted to go back to their old lives, but they weren't depicted as best friends, let alone in love.
Never leave again!
Seriously. I need my utterly platonic in now way subtextual brotherly touching. Any time the show wants to mirror the coma kiss in the next episode, feel free. (Who is going to play Simone's role, I wonder - Matt?)
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Date: 2007-12-04 01:24 pm (UTC)Most of my assumptions were based around the idea of an arc running season long -- and for some reason I got it into my head that we'd actually get the majority of answers about the Elders in Generations, rather than over the course of the season, and that the virus would be the season long plot.
Slightly more serious, that's why I didn't buy Matt/Mohinder as a slash pairing. It seemed to me an arrangement for Molly's benefit and because neither of them wanted to go back to their old lives, but they weren't depicted as best friends, let alone in love.
I could see it evolving into friendship and more, but with the tiny amount of screen time and interaction they've actually had, it's a bit of a tough sell to me, too.
Seriously. I need my utterly platonic in now way subtextual brotherly touching. Any time the show wants to mirror the coma kiss in the next episode, feel free. (Who is going to play Simone's role, I wonder - Matt?)
I'm so looking forward to that! Matt would do in a pinch. Theoretically, Heidi would be available. If there's any time to give your crazy husband and crazy in laws another chance, I would think it's right after he admits to changing as a person and gets shot. But, of course, Peter actually likes Heidi, so he wouldn't need to demonstrate his ownership (plus, it's redundant with her). Maybe Hiro would be better.
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Date: 2007-12-04 02:12 pm (UTC)That's it. Aside from Kindness of Strangers, we never saw them interact with each other; we saw each with Molly and others, but separate.
Theoretically, Heidi would be available. If there's any time to give your crazy husband and crazy in laws another chance, I would think it's right after he admits to changing as a person and gets shot.
Oh, right, good point.
But, of course, Peter actually likes Heidi, so he wouldn't need to demonstrate his ownership (plus, it's redundant with her)
Also two good points. I don't think Heidi has any illusions about the hierarchy of affection in N. Petrelli's life.
Maybe Hiro would be better.
That's inspired! After recent events, he and Peter WOULD be uneasy with each other, even more than Simone and Nathan were, plus Peter so far has no idea about all the Hiro-Nathan encounters, has he? So yes, time for an ownership kiss.
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Date: 2007-12-04 05:46 pm (UTC)Heh. This just cries out for a Hiro/Doctor, Adam/Master cross, doesn't it?
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Date: 2007-12-04 05:54 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2007-12-04 07:02 pm (UTC)*snerk* We've barely seen Bob use his powers, so I kind of forgot he even had any. Therefore, the significance of "Midas" escaped me. Awesome. Yeah, Bob, at least you could've put a number in there, or something. Heh.
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Date: 2007-12-05 05:51 am (UTC)4/5) I may be a little biased, but the Petrellis are gold. With all their manipulative, co-dependent subtext (and text!) they seriously give a new meaning to dysfunction. Possibly my favourite TV family EVER.
6) Agreed - I was getting seriously annoyed with Niki being portrayed as unable to control her abilities and reliant on others to restrain her. Even though I can see the whole contrast of weakness in being unable to control her powers vs her physical strength, the whole self-sacrificing act was kinda repetitive and really grates IMO.
7) For the Mohinder/Sylar awesomeness? haha. I agree that Sylar probably should have been killed off after Kirby Plaza, because then his appearances wouldn't have felt so dragged out and repetitive. But it struck me the other day that I've been looking at Sylar the wrong way, because what the writers are going for is probably the ultimate, recurring villain idea so common in the comic bookverse that they've clearly been emulating. EG. the Master in DW, Spiderman/Green Goblin etc etc - so that even though there are other villains, these characters are set up as the ultimate villain who'll always somehow be resurrected to "menace another day". Because if you think about it, the Sylar/Peter parallel mirrors this relationship perfectly. The Master/Doctor contrast comes to mind - the whole two sides of the same coin thing, with their (almost) identical powers, but vastly different agendas. So Sylar might be with us til the very end, I'm afraid. LOL.
8) Bishops/Petrellis/Bennets face-off? YES PLEASE.
11) So true. LOL.
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Date: 2007-12-05 06:12 am (UTC)I may be a little biased, but the Petrellis are gold. With all their manipulative, co-dependent subtext (and text!) they seriously give a new meaning to dysfunction
They do. Mind you, I have other messed up tv families I love - the Fishers in 6FU, the Julian-Claudian dynasty in I, Claudius come to mind, for example - but right now, I love the Petrellis most of all.
Sylar as the archetypical comicbook villain: you're probably right.
Any scenes containing any members of the Petrelli, Bennet and Bishop family mixed with each other are of the win. A scene wherein they are all together might make my tv explode!
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Date: 2007-12-05 05:24 pm (UTC)For me the difference is that while I love Connor, I never would have doubted that he would be dark enough to do this. Hiro is a completely different matter where this is concerned, which is why this action threw me.
Actually, Hiro does have it in him. Considering the ruthless obssession we saw in 5YG Hiro, I can see Hiro being perfectly capable of fitting the punishment to the crime. Yet, at the same time, I don't think the guilt he feels about how he screwed them all up in the past would let him kill Kensei outright. Notice that he never refutes Adam's charges of betrayal. He knows he's culpable in the whole situation. He just wants Adam out of the way, figuring it's going to be a while before anyone digs him up, thus saving him, technically, from the role of executioner. He's giving Adam a possible second chance some time in the future and hoping he doesn't live to see it.
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Date: 2007-12-05 10:14 pm (UTC)