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Because I'm all about the balance, here's the post about what sure-fire good buttons I've found in my three quarters of a year Heroes fanfiction reading. I'll try to avoid the glaringly obvious (i.e. most of us are rather keen on good spelling and characterisation that fits with their idea of what the source provides, etc.).



1) A sense of place and atmosphere. Speaking as someone who is aware she is better at dialogue than description, I always admire people who manage to get a real sense of the physical world surrounding our characters across and make the setting of their stories unique to that particular location, and/or, even better, use this setting to tell us something about the characters. Years ago, back in Highlander fandom, I read one of several amazing stories by [livejournal.com profile] katallison, and the one I'm thinking of took place at the Grand Canyon, which she used superbly to get something about Methos and Duncan and their different ways of seeing the world across. In Heroes, [livejournal.com profile] linaerys is particularly good at this kind of thing. Given New York is such an important location for the show, it gets used a lot in fanfic as well, but more often than not as Random Big American City. (This is true for my own stories, too.) A story like Your Young Men Shall See Visions, on the other hand, really uses New York to portray the Petrellis. Fear of Flying similarly uses Venice and Verona, and from details like the food consumed to how sitting on those ancient Roman steps in Verona feels while listening to an opera (and I've done that, so I recognized it), the way place and atmosphere is used continues to wow me.

3) Using a detail from canon to explore a character and/or make it a basis for backstory speculation. One example of what I mean by this: in Sentimental Value, [livejournal.com profile] andrastewhite does this with Bob's power. Now quite a lot of viewers quickly forgot he even has one and assume by default that he, like Thompson, is a "normal", since he displays the power in question only in the season 2 opener to make a point to Mohinder. (It's alchemy, or, if you don't want to use that term: the ability to transform another substance into gold.) If you're familiar with the Greek myths, this is the gift Midas asked from Apollo, which quickly turned into a curse, which is why Bob's password which Elle uses in Powerless is "Midas". By itself, this is just one detail about Bob, and seemingly not a very important. But Andraste thought through the full implications and possibilities, combined it with a few other things about Bob we either know or can guess (such as the fact there seems to be no Mrs. Bishop around), and came up with the single best story about Bob Bishop I've read to date. It also confirmed to me that in Heroes fanfic, if the detail from canon being used to explore a character is his or her superpower, which doesn't happen as often as you'd think, I am well on my way to being sold by the very premise. Let the story be well-written, and I'm agog.

3) There is an ensemble, really. Like most viewers, I have my preferences among the characters. And I do love intense character studies, both to read and write. But nonetheless, if a writer manages to use not just one or two but a lot of the huge Heroes cast and does so in a way that makes each of them significant, I'm hooked. One of my favourite examples is [livejournal.com profile] trollprincess' Twenty Things Learned On Road Trips, which includes the entire s1 ensemble and makes me glad for every single sentence.

4) The amazing case of the actually present significant other. Or: fanfic that focuses on a relationship between X and Y but doesn't ignore that X also has a very important relationship with Z. Especially but not exclusively in slash, the romantic relationships one partner has on the show/book/film with someone other than the person he or she is paired up in the story is often ignored. Or worse, bashed. (Back in the Jossverse, you could call this the Riley phenomenon - I told you it wasn't limited to slash pairings, it's there in het as well.) So, when I read a slash story like Tell Me Anything , which is Claude/Bennet but also not only respects but actually explores Noah/Sandra, I'm extra thrilled. I'm not saying this is mandatory for every X/Y you can think of, neither in Heroes nor in any other fandom. Sometimes, especially in short vignettes, there really is no room for Z. I'm just saying that when it does happen, my already present love for the story is just that extra bit stronger.

5) Characters bringing up or discussing books/films/movies they like. This is basically a kink of mine, well-fed through years of being a Jossverse fan. Such details make me happy. Guess who was squeeing when the Doctor and Martha in Dr. Who last season talked Harry Potter? In Heroes, you have of course Hiro as a certified sci fi fan, giving you licence to let him talk about or use any number of sci fi shows/books/movies. And comics. It makes complete character sense. Mind you, this has to be done in a way that tells us something about Hiro and whoever he's talking with - i.e. Hiro arguing with Ando about their favourite Star Ship captains would be great. (Haven't read it yet, but I do hope someone has written it, and I just missed it. And no, I'm not going to write it, because I already wrote that argument for Jonathan, Warren and Andrew from Buffy. In sung form, no less. To a tune from Stephen Sondheim. Hence no more starship captain arguments in fanfic from me.) Someone who includes this kind of thing regularly in their fanfic is [livejournal.com profile] futuresoon. Which makes her versions of Peter and Nathan, for example, very refreshing to read after you've been through lots of fanfic where they always talk about their relationship, which, for the record, I really can't see them do that often, if at all. They're spectacularly co-dependent and crazily dysfunctional, but they're still guys. Now, in [livejournal.com profile] futuresoon's Big Damn Petrelli Story , they talk about brands of coffee, Helen Keller and Stephen King, and that makes their lives real for me in a way that's rare in fanfiction while getting the emotion across perfectly.

Also, it's just a hobby of mine to imagine which songs, films, tv shows, books fictional characters would like or dislike, and why.

Date: 2008-01-15 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
Really enjoyed "Tell Me Anything." Thanks!

Date: 2008-01-16 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I noticed to my chagrin that I apparently don't have many turn-ons other than the glaringly obvious: I want characterization that is at least recognizable to what is shown on the show and not just purely functional to the plot or idea a writer wants to tell, and I want the stories to interest me and be in a range that I consider well-written. I guess I like clever approaches - for me that would include AUs that are not the "Peter and Claire are not related" variety, and interesting twists to familiar concepts. I also really, really like gen. Nothing against erotic fanfic, but most of it is of a variety I find uninteresting - not least because I have a really low tolerance for angst in this specific genre. (Not to mention that I prefer femslash, which is comparatively rare on Heroes.)

One thing I have noticed is a fondness for "animated" objects. They turn up in [livejournal.com profile] futuresoon's stories - in her House/Heroes crossover there is a salad who doesn't have a commentary on Wilson's musings, for instance. It's just a tiny, playful detail, but it adds substance to the world she creates. Well, for me, anyway.

Oh. And another thing I remembered: I haven't seen that so often recently, but I like it when stories incorporate language barriers. Possibly because the show itself used that so well in the first Season.

Date: 2008-01-16 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futuresoon.livejournal.com
Man, I hardcore agree with all of these, especially (as you may have guessed) three and four. Heidi started a frickin' avalanche with me, I swear...and you know I loved that story where you namedropped The Godfather liek woah. (I still need to see those movies, dammit.) And thanks for the shout-out! :D Also, Twenty Things Learned on Road Trips is awesome. *checks out what else the author's done*

Date: 2008-01-16 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Among other things, she wrote the Best Damn Candice story, so you must read that.

Looking back on my fanfic, I namedropped The Godfather a couple of times and not just in Heroes before I went all out main text with it in Movie Buffs; now I feel like a character from The Sopranos...

Date: 2008-01-16 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're welcome!

Date: 2008-01-16 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I guess I like clever approaches - for me that would include AUs that are not the "Peter and Claire are not related" variety

Which is why I really love the "Five things that never happened to..." concept, but I haven't seen much of this in Heroes, or rather, much of it that doesn't fall into said variety. AUs that fascinate me are those who really think through what consequences one canon circumstance gone differently would have, and use it to explore the characters. (Which is why I used that concept three times, in BTVS and DS9 fic, btw.) But so far I haven't really found something that satisfied me in Heroes-dom; I mean, there is a lot of 5YG fic, but that tends to fall into the 'shipping variety, all and sunder, even if it focuses on Hiro and not one of the Petrellis, and that's not what I'm looking for.

Language barriers: oh yeah. *whistles John Williams themes for some strange reason*

Date: 2008-01-16 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
AUs that fascinate me are those who really think through what consequences one canon circumstance gone differently would have, and use it to explore the characters. (Which is why I used that concept three times, in BTVS and DS9 fic, btw.)

Those are fascinating, and I like the "5 Things..." example you mention, but I literally mean "Alternative Universes," i.e. your Runaways crossover, or [livejournal.com profile] futuresoon's Pan's Labyrinth version. Or, to go very cracky, the Heroes as Pride and Prejudice or Renaissance Heroes alternatives that were discussed in your lj a few months back. A lot of that would in fact be covered by crossovers, except that I wouldn't restrict the approach to fictional universes with characters from within those universes appearing. It would be enough to simply switch genre (an approach Heroes definitely invites, given that a lot of the characters seem to exist in separate genres to begin with).

I mean, there is a lot of 5YG fic, but that tends to fall into the 'shipping variety

I'm surprised that something as bleak as 5YG invites that... no, wait, I'm not. Why would I be surprised by that.

Incidentally, I find the AU circumstances the show has come up with the least interesting, mostly because they are so finite. It's like Buffy's Wishverse - everything's bad and everybody dies (in 5YG, that's preceded by "everybody sucks", which may be educational, but doesn't exactly endear that world to me). There are only so many things you can do with that.

Language barriers: oh yeah. *whistles John Williams themes for some strange reason*

Hee. That for instance was a very inspired use of language barriers!

(And just now my cat walked over the keyboard and knocked out the laptop. Thankfully enough, my browser has a memory function. I swear, she aims to murder me! *glares*)



Date: 2008-01-16 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
It would be enough to simply switch genre (an approach Heroes definitely invites, given that a lot of the characters seem to exist in separate genres to begin with).

Good point. *shoos plot bunnies away*

Re: the 5YGverse, I basically agree, only I did one to explore precisely two aspects of it (the Sylar-kills-Nathan-disguised-as-Peter, because I'm morbid and sadistic to characters I love sometimes, and how to give the 5YG scenario a happy redemptive ending in as much as it can have one, combined with confronting Nathan with that, which is what I did with "Through a Mirror Darkly". Once that was done, I have no urge to return to it.

Give my regards to your murderous cat and whistle Macavity from Cats to her!

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