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Can't sleep - damn time zone adjustment - so you're getting the result of insomnia and thoughts I'll probably expand upon in my season 4 and Donna essay, once I get to write it. As it turns out, The Unicorn and the Wasp, other than being madcap comic relief before the final five (ahem, cross fandom joke, and it's actually six, but I can count Moffat's two parter as one, can't I?), also contains, I position, some big time paralleling and foreshadowing regarding Donna's past, present and future. It's the last part that causes my insomnia to be happy.



Back when The Unicorn and the Wasp was broadcast, quite a lot of reviews mentioned the parallels it drew conversationally between Agatha Christie and Donna regarding their ill luck in love - i.e. Archie Christie the cheating husband who took up with a younger woman, and Lance the bride-poisoning bastard who sold Donna (and Earth) out to the Empress of the Raccnoss. ("Mine was with a giant spider, but same difference," says Donna. ) What was less remarked upon was something I only thought of in retrospect, too: in that same conversation, Agatha expresses a profound insecurity regarding the worth of her writing. "I'm just a purveyor of nonsense." In fact, this isn't the only time Agatha shows self-doubt, lacking conviction and insists she's nobody special; she later does it again when the other guests demand she should solve the mystery. This is especially interesting because the two other historical writers New Who featured in episodes, Charles Dickens and William Shakespeare, while being shown to be plagued by personal tragedies are characterized very differently: both are utterly convinced in the brilliance of their writing, in their genius. Now I'm aware that Agatha Christie wasn't Dickens or Shakespeare, but she was and is, as the episode later points out, the best-selling novelist of all times (only Shakespeare and the Bible sell more books, and no other novelist does). It's been more than a decade since I read her biography, so I'm not sure how she felt about her own writing, whether or not she was convinced of her talent, but that's not important right now. (After all, the Shakespeare of The Shakespeare Code is more a meditation on various ideas about Shakespeare and Shakespearean motifs than an attempt to get an accurate depiction of good old Will.) What is important is that the episode gave its depiction of Agatha Christie this massive self-doubt, which isn't coupled with shyness (she has no problem sparring with the Doctor and telling him when she thinks he behaves wrongly) but is an undercurrent red thread hidden beneath her outward veneer. It's not necessary to make her a sympathetic character - I'd say both Dickens and Shakespeare were presented as sympathetic - but it gives Donna an opportunity to bolster her confidence, culminating in the declaration: "You're brilliant."

All of which should sound familiar by now, as the parallels to Donna are really striking. Encouraged by the Doctor, Agatha then does solve most of the mystery (save for the sci-fi alien element, the explanation for the wasp, which is where the Doctor comes in); the villain is defeated by a mixture of Agatha (who lures him away) and Donna (who throws the amulet in the lake, thus killing the monster). For a moment, the Doctor and Donna fear this resulted in Agatha's death, but then it turns out she lives. Not without a price; part of her memory was erased. Two weeks are lost to her. Again, the parallels are there - the defeat of Davros and the Daleks via a combination of Donna and Blue!Doctor (both of whom are in themselves also a combination at this point, the DoctorDonna), the subsequent fallout as Donna's beginning mental breakdown and impending death is stopped at the price of two years of her memories taken away.

And what then? Having returned Agatha to her place in history, Donna asks the Doctor what became of Agatha Christie next, and he gives her a brief summing up: a lot travels, another man, and above all the bestselling-novelist-of-all-times career. "She never thought her novels were any good, though", Donna says sadly, "she never knew." Upon which the Doctor produces a 51st century reprint of Agatha Christie's novel A Death in the Clouds, the cover of which features a giant wasp (if you're interested: the wasp is normal-size in the actual book, but it's a neat visual gag), and concludes that memory erasure or not, some part of Agatha obviously did remember, and influenced her future life and writing, which went on to be loved and read through the ages.

All of which leaves me to declare: if Agatha is a Donna avatar in so many things, she clearly is concerning her post- Doctor fate as well!

P.S. Also, rewatching the Doctor's conversation with Wilf and Sylvia underlines the memories are still there, i.e. blocked and locked away rather than being erased (i.e. made non-existent), since he says: "You can't ever tell her, because if she remembers, even for one second, she'll burn up." If those memories were irrevocably gone, there would be no danger of Donna remembering at all, no matter what anyone told her. The B5 fan in me is thinking telepathic blocks, which would allow for subconscious leak-throughs a la Agatha without direct remembering. (It also allows for Moffat and/or whoever runs the show after him to bring Donna back if they want to (and you'll bet they'll find a possibilty around Donna's impending death-by-memory; this show specializes in previously declared to be impossible things to be "just a bit unlikely" if necessary by plot), always provided they can get Catherine Tate; amnesia, like coma, is one of those classic tv conditions that mean "we're making the return of this character depending on actor availability". See also: Faith, or Connor over in the Jossverse. I'll do the comparisons between Angel's actions in Home and the Doctor's actions in Journey's End in my big season post, though.

Date: 2008-07-08 11:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wolfgrin
I quite like this way of looking at things. You've managed to put words to my feelings re: Donna's fate post-"Journey's End", better than I could have-- so thank you, for that!

Date: 2008-07-08 11:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] wondygal.livejournal.com
*bounces* YES! That's brilliant! Good going, Who writers, and good going you for noticing. Now that my heart isn't crushed into tiny little pieces anymore (yeah, that's not true), I am so convinced Donna will be fine. Of course she will. I don't anticipate they'll get Catherine Tate again, but she did love doing it, as far as we can tell, so who knows!

Your brain is awesome. Hope you're having fun!

Date: 2008-07-09 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futuresoon.livejournal.com
Oh, man, that is brilliant, and makes me feel better about it all over, especially given this season's tendency to foreshadow...and I do hope they'll find some skientific way to bring her back, but then they'd have to find some other way to keep her from staying, which might actually make it worse. Who knows.

Date: 2008-07-09 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] big-n-happy.livejournal.com
Also, her mind gets wiped because of a dangerous human/alien cross. Which has some dodgy subtext, although I do like a dark variation on the companion-ascendance trope.

And, yes, one of the more anvillicious strands has been Donna's underappreciation of her own awesome. So, there's hope, in theory... but I'm not going to miss Rusty's unwillingness to take the interesting/worthwhile stuff to the surface.

Date: 2008-07-09 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflykiki.livejournal.com
Yaaay! I now feel like my flash-fic is even more canon for this.

But yeah, amnesia/coma is always 'and we'll mess with it later if we get a good idea', and if, after a few years, Donna has a family when this kind of crisis happens... well. Then she'd have a reason not to go traveling with the Doctor.

(But part of my brain insists on this conversation, after that's resolved:

"Birthdays and Halloween."

"What?"

"You have to come by for my birthday, Granddad's birthday, the kids' birthdays and Halloween. You don't get to just evaporate, Space Boy."

"Why Halloween? Why not Christmas?"

"That way you can bring whatever alien friend you're toting around that month to visit too."

"Right. Halloween. And birthdays."

"Families do these kind of things."

...and now I'm remembering that Halloween is not the automatic dress-up--and-masquerade-fest it is in the US, but still. It makes me happy to think of it.)

Date: 2008-07-09 02:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
Also Miss Evangelista, whom Donna tries to reassure and who later becomes an accidental genius.

Date: 2008-07-09 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
You give true meta here. (And yeah, like you, I watched it and was all 'well, at least they left the door open for Tate to return.')

Date: 2008-07-09 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
It’s been interesting reading the reactions to Journey’s End and clearly a lot of people have a very visceral reaction to the very idea of memories being wiped, which I don't share. Like you I find it hard to think of Donna losing her Doctor memories as a fate worse than death.

One factor may be understanding wiping memories as being similar to removing a record of whatever happened or even, as you say, access to a record but that's not the same thing as undoing the events themselves. Donna post mind wipe is still different from the Donna of Runaway Bride (who I liked even then, brash and determinedly oblivious as she was). She may not know what it is but something seems to have taken the edge off the underlying insecurity that Ten2 diagnosed as driving her bolshiness. Donna dismissing the Doctor in her final scene in the kitchen already seems a fundamentally happier person than Runaway Bride Donna. With better hair and more friends.

Date: 2008-07-09 08:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kathyh
Of course! And it seemed like such a light episode but now you've pointed them out the foreshadowing is huge. I think on a rewatch this season is going to prove to be full of this as it appears to me to hang together really well.

When we rewatched both J (who doesn't watch in an intense fannish way *g*) and I got the impression that Donna's story really wasn't over and although the Doctor used the emotive word mindwipe that obviously wasn't quite what he'd done. Her memories are still there, just inaccessible at the moment.

P.S. I don't know if you saw but you got recced on Crack Van for Incubus. That took me back *g*.

Date: 2008-07-09 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
They've got what they need for a Donna return if they want it - the computer at the Library. All they need do is say that a backup of her memories was kept there. So if she starts losing it the Doctor can go there again (going to the mainframe on the moon rather than the library itself to avoid problems with the natives) and zap her mind with those memories, which do not include the bit where she was briefly a Time Lord. No problem.

Date: 2008-07-09 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
That's brilliant, and makes perfect sense. Do you mind if you use it in fanfic in the far, far future when I can write long stories again?

Date: 2008-07-09 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
No, I hadn't seen - have no time to surf except for a few friends' journals - so thanks for telling me! Wow, those were the days.

Date: 2008-07-09 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I loved Donna in The Runaway Bride (which is why I was very happy when I heard she'd be back for an entire season), but yes, agreed that there is a subtle difference to how we meet her there and the kitchen scene, and this supports my theory that she'll be influenced subconsciously by her blocked experiences.

Date: 2008-07-09 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*tries to hypnotize Moffat from afar*

Date: 2008-07-09 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
True. And Evelina, whose gift of sight is alien in origin and slowly killing her, whereas in the tag scene she's free of it and living a normal life.

Date: 2008-07-09 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Love the conversation, and I was thinking "family" as a non-lethal, non-health-endangering reason for Donna to interrupt the travelling once she has her memories back and has both slapped and hugged the Doctor silly as well. Re: Halloween, I don't know about England, but in Germany we've been indoctrinated by so many American tv shows and films that there are some disguised people wandering around the place at that time as well. (Also, we used to have much of the army here.) Though the big disguise time is carneval, i.e. in February, but that's not true for England due to protestantism.

Date: 2008-07-09 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Re: some other way - she could have found an awesome, fascinating job in the meantime, and/or founded a family, with children. Both would give her a reason not to stay, although like Butterflykiki below she'd make the Doctor come to every single family holiday ever, "I don't do family" be damned. And bring Jenny (as obviously by then the Doctor has discovered Jenny is still alive.)

Date: 2008-07-09 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Supposedly he's going to be at Comic Con on Thursday. What a time to be so broke and for gas to be so high...

Date: 2008-07-09 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflykiki.livejournal.com
Cooool! yay! So Halloween stands. *g* At least in my head.

I've been thinking off and on that a lot of the negative reactions to the finale (what there is) have as much to do with people's expectations and hopes (re: Ten/Rose, Bad Wolf, etc.) being frustrated, as it did with anything that actually happened. Or people not realizing that Catherine Tate was going to leave, and so not expecting Donna having to stay on Earth *somehow*.

There's this fine line between writing the next episode in your head, and expecting it to come true, which I think some people have to get over. Either because it can't happen due to what happens to the actors, or because it can't happen because Moffat can't read their minds. There hasn't been an overwhelmingly negative response to the finale, but what there is, seems to be centered around that. (/end digression on expectations)

Date: 2008-07-10 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
*waves hands about in happy fashion*

I love this post! And it might stop me crying every time I think about Donna!

Date: 2008-07-10 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilachigh.livejournal.com
I agree entirely about the memories being locked away rather than erased. And the Doctor never told Martha, Jack or anyone else what he was going to do.

I like to think of Donna going to Cardiff as a temp. Getting a job working for Rhys....oh yes, the possibilities are endless.

Date: 2008-07-10 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusty_halo.livejournal.com
Totally. I saw this parallel immediately and it made me feel much better about Donna. I have a lot of hope that she'll still do something awesome with her life, even if she never realizes how wonderful she is.

Date: 2008-07-11 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Then it has fulfilled a good purpose!

Date: 2008-07-11 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Mind you, I think given the danger to Donna (i.e. remembering = exploding brain), the Doctor will tell Jack, Martha and Sarah Jane what he did post facto. But I do like the idea of Donna temping for Rhys, oh yes. And/or travelling through the world and ending up meeting the Brigadier in Peru, who also needs a temp...

Date: 2008-07-11 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Same here, which is why I had to share.

Date: 2008-07-11 11:21 am (UTC)
elisi: Living in interesting times is not worth it (Default)
From: [personal profile] elisi
Oh definitely. And I finally posted my own thoughts yesterday, in case you're interested? No great insights really, I was just trying to process it all.

Oh and I came across another great, great Martha fic: Valentine's Day, This Year. *sniff*

ETA: Of course, you are currently on holiday - sorry to bother you with recs!

Date: 2008-07-14 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hence-the-name.livejournal.com
Oh, good point. Which makes me wonder now if I noticed all that subconsciously when I decided to have Donna go work for PI in the fic I'm working on... :P

Date: 2008-07-15 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Oh, I'd love to see Donna written in a Private Investigator story! *looks forward to reading it*

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