Heroes 3.01 and 3.02

[selenak]

As someone who actually enjoyed season 2, there were a number of things I was not happy with relating especially to it.

1) Killing Bob. He was the most interesting new character of s2, and not just because of the Noah 'n Claire contrast/parallels there were playing with him and Elle, but in himself. I am not happy with a universe where Sylar lives and Bob is dead, let me tell you that. But then, Sylar's continued survival is one of my least favourite things about Heroes since the end of s1 anyway, independent from who else lives or dies, so perhaps I should say: I'd rather have HRG killed than Bob. I know I'm pretty alone in that.

(The only good result of Bob's death: Angela leading the company. That, I'm looking forward to watch. Also, thanks, show, for clearing up her power. Take that, Charles Deveaux theory believers. I told you so.)

2) Mohinder exchanging his great Spy Who Came In From The Cold storyline in favour of a(nother) remake of The Fly. Kring, I'm with you on liking David Cronenberg, but you could have fanboyed him another way. This is so not what I was hoping for, and I can't see anything of interest in in Fly!Mohinder. Or I should say Spider!Mohinder, I suppose. Mind you, the idea in general of a "normal" character achieving superpowers through a serum/radioactive incident/ accident/whatever is completely in comicverse tradition, and they could do something interesting with it, but not by Sendil R. polishing up his Jeff Goldblum impression. BTW, if we're talking Marvelverse, does this make Mohinder Hank Pym?

On the other hand, aside from having hitting the sheets with Mohinder immediately, Maya was written and acted better than last season, and her storyline this season doesn't seem to be about needing control of her powers (so Sylar was good for something, I suppose), which makes me hope that after two versions with Niki and one with Moya, the writers are finally done with that as far as female characters are concerned. There was some discussion last season whether the twins would have been better or worse if Alejandro had been the one with the lethal power and Maya the one counteracting it, and there were arguments for both sides. But if they're setting up Maya as the rational one to Mohinder's crazy, we'll see whether it works out better. As far as Maya is concerned. I'm still more than annoyed that an entire season of character development and ties for Mohinder are thrown away in favour of Fly!Mo.

Okay, on to things I feel mixed about, and things I enjoyed. Matt doesn't have much to do, and I have no idea why Future!Peter teleported him to Africa, but what Matt there is is good; firstly, I'm happy that he figures out the Peter = assassin bit very fast (and without the aide of dreams, like Angela had), and secondly, I appreciate the riff on the Wise Black Man cliché with our new character at the end, who is absolutely familiar with cell phones. And the turtle fake-out was a treat for a Discworld fan, especially given the nature of Nathan's crazy. (Well, it was if you've read Small Gods...)

Claire I was happy with. She immediately wanted to rescue Nathan, she did her damn best when chased by Sylar, managing to knock him down twice (and without being trained in martial arts), and she angrily verbalized exactly what viewers had complained about, the victimhood; I hope she sticks with her resolution of wanting to learn how to fight. Plus the not feeling anything reliably freaks me out on her behalf; it did when happened to Owen Harper in Torchwood, it does now. Lastly, I'm happy Meredith is back, since I do want more of the character, and I'm looking forward to seeing her with Claire. And Sandra. And all three together.

(Future!Claire: I wonder whether she was working for the Company, or someone else - Nathan? Given that SOMETHING happened with Nathan in the timeline currently wiped out by Future!Peter, and it wasn't getting shot, and it wasn't something good - or on her own behalf. I wonder whether she'll take over after Angela, or did take over in that timeline.)

I actually figured out Future!Peter had replaced Present!Peter when Matt found him in the bathroom, because having two Peters chase each other and disappearing from the tv viewers sight is a set-up for an identity switch if there ever was one. So Peter telling Claire not to come wasn't a surprise. All the scenes between Future!Peter and Angela were very good; I found it fascinating that she makes the distinction between "my son" (= Present!Peter, and Present!Peter only) and Future!Peter, who gets the hardcore tongue lashing treatment that previously only Nathan (in Four Months Later, for example) received; but then he, like Nathan then, messed with her plans.

And now for the big one: those Petrellis. Congratulations to everyone who nine months ago said that the assassin walked like Milo Ventimiglia and therefore had to be one version of Peter. Now there were about a hundred ways someone with accumulated superpowers could stop someone else from speaking, I'll grant you, but the Petrellis being the Petrellis and always this side of Greek Tragedy, I could buy Future!Peter would go for the quasi fratricide instead. Also, I think Kring & Co. wanted to reintroduce tension into the relationship between Peter and Nathan, and between world savings and love declarations putting an end to the earlier reasons, they needed something drastic to do that. More on this in a minute when I get to Nathan, but first let me finish Peter(s): the obvious parallel is to Hiro and Ando, because even when Present!Peter gets out of Francis Capra's body, I doubt Nathan is going to be very thrilled with him, never mind the shooting isn't Present!Peter's fault. That would be my explanation for Nathan not asking about Present!Peter, btw. Hearing your brother was ready to kill you ( to save the 'verse, sure, but still) can do that to you, even if you're not in a questionable mental state yourself. Lastly, I found it interesting that Future!Peter tells Angela and later Nathan, but doesn't tell Claire the truth; an attempt not to mess up the timeline(s) any further with Claire or the difference in relationships?

The other thing done to make relations between Nathan and Peter tense again would be Nathan getting back into politics and coming to the conclusion that his repeated almost-deaths and resurrections mean he has a destiny. As opposed to what happened to Mohinder, I don't see this as wiping out one season of character development, since Nathan remembers the whole 0.07% very clearly, plus he really needs to get active again, back into his professional life, and being a lawyer just isn't enough of a contrast to the superpowers part of his existence. So I approve. Of course, he doesn't go back into politics, he has a religious experience first. (Has someone been watching Battlestar Galactica, writers? If so, who was it that decided Linderman would be Nathan's Head!Six, because that was inspired?) They're playing this as creepy so far, and since I doubt the Cylon God was involved, I suspect either of two things:

a) Nathan's resurrection-plus-ensuing God talk and visions of the very dead Linderman are a belated aftereffect of Adam's blood and thus finally the drawback to Adam's blood being used to revive people we've all been waiting for. There has to be one, both for Doylist and Watsonian reasons; the writers need one because otherwise there is no reason to fear for anyone in the show again, because Adam aside, Claire would donate quite freely, and there had to be a reason why the Elders didn't use Adam's blood on themselves all those decades. Even if what is happening with Nathan has nothing to do with the blood, my guess is something really nasty happened back in the day when Adam's blood was used on someone. Claire's blood might or might not have similar drawbacks; we'll find out via Noah and Sylar, I suppose.

b) A not yet revealed party is responsible for both Nathan's resurrection, the "God has a message" speech and his subsequent Linderman sightings. Not Maury, since Maury is in a coma, and Linderman is definitely dead (he couldn't have healed himself without a brain, and D.L. took care of that one, plus his body was found), so it can't be the real him. Hmmm. Whoever it is should know Nathan, and probably didn't pick Linderman as an avater by accident. Hmmmm.

In case I haven't mentioned it so far: I'm actually not displeased by all of this. Somewhat creeped out, but not displeased. If he is to have a continuing purpose on the show, Nathan needs to have goals other than Peter, and while "Nathan and Peter move to Canada" makes for very enjoyable fanfic, it's not a workeable tv storyline. And I originally fell for him because he was an ambiguous character. And I love my family dynamics best if there is tension, frankly; it makes the emotional intensity along with it all the more riveting. That's why I love Nothing To Hide to bits.

Speaking of Nothing to Hide: okay, colour me seriously surprised. I was wondering whether they'd let Niki get out of the burning house as Jessica, with her Niki identity wiped out, or something like that, which I wouldn't have liked, but I haven't expected an actual new character played by Ali Larter. So, Tracey Strauss: since surprise!siblings (*spits but will say more in a moment*) seem to be a theme, I'm speculating that she is the real Jessica Sanders. Not Niki's alter ego but the twin sister who was supposedly killed by dear old dad. Now we know Linderman had Niki under surveillance from childhood onwards. You could easily suggest a scenario where Hal Sanders beats Jessica almost do death and she's dying in a hospital in Las Vegas, and Linderman heals her and spirits her away, to be used in the future, while letting Hal, Niki and everyone else believe she's dead. Real!Jessica gets the Haitian treatment and some fake memories to boot and a new identity, and presto, Tracey. Who has her own ability, not superstrength, which means she's definitely not Niki Sanders creating yet another persona, even if Niki had somehow gotten out of the burning house and had somehow managed to lead a double life with the Senator.

Speaking of whom: Bruce Boxleitner actually does look like Bill Clinton. I couldn't see it when londonkds said this about Sheridan, but now I can. Huh. Hello there, Bruce, long time, no see. So far, credible politician. Heroes does that thing again where Ali Laters is introduced in a sexualized manner, see also series pilot, but on the other hand, they give her the speech to make it clear she didn't get the job because she's screwing the senator, and he takes her seriously. We'll see; Tracey has potential, whether or not she is the original Jessica. Nathan wanting her on his staff is I think due to a mixture of not quite believing her when she denies being Niki, and wanting to keep an eye on her (usually when Niki is not in Niki mode, she's dangerous), and yes, his thing for blondes, though I doubt he'll make a move first. I predict a scene where she addresses the matter of that Linderman-made porn pretty son, though.

Lastly: Hiro and Ando. On the minus side, I am displeased both Kaito and the show forgot Kimiko is supposed to succeed Kaito, not Hiro. You know, the actual business woman? Grrrr. Arggh. Also, at first I wondered whether Hiro like Mohinder would get an entire season of character development taken away, but no. His reaction to that glimpse of himself and Ando is very much one of someone with the Kensei experience behind him. Pre-Kensei Hiro would not automatically have assumed Ando was the villain there (in fact, my guess is Hiro was in that timeline, which is why Ando killed him, and both he and we will find out as much later in the season), but post-Kensei Hiro does. Daphne - Catwoman indeed - is a very timely antagonist, btw; not just in technical terms (as Hiro needs someone other than Peter to be able to (almost) counteract his ability) but in character terms, being, like good villains tend to be, a similar-just-one-step-further version of the hero. She's gleefully selfish so far, and Hiro without Ando (or someone else to care for) very soon could be; hence the need for Ando.

Also, they're cute together. What?

And now, I suppose, I have to - well. You know, ever since joking about Sylar as the third Summers brother with cadesama in season 1 I was sometimes afraid they'd go there. So I'm not totally surprised. Plus, you know, since they decided to keep Sylar on the show AND to give him his powers back, they needed some justification why he shouldn't just endlessly repeat his serial killer career and not kill every superhero he meets. Given Sylar's mommy issues, this particular choice of retcon makes some kind of psychological sense, because it does give Angela a temporary upper hand with Sylar. She just fulfilled his dream (as told to Chandra in Six Months Ago). But I can't see it last. (And will never give up the hope we'll get rid of Sylar ONE DAY.) The worst about this, though? The Sylar pairings which were written anyway just gained possible new popularity by the 'cesters.

Comments

[abigail-n.livejournal.com]

I don't think Bob's death was a pure storytelling choice. Stephen Tobolowski borke his neck horseback riding, which is why all of his scenes in "The Second Coming" were filmed with him sitting in a chair, staring straight ahead - I don't think it would have been feasible for him to stay on the show. I'm reasonably hopeful about this direction (for a certain value of 'hopeful,' in that I thought the premiere was only marginally better than the abysmal second season and am quickly despairing of both the show and its treatment of female and non-white characters), because I'm interested in Elle and I don't see where she could have gone with her father constantly boxing her in.

Oh, and G'Kar's reading of "The Second Coming" is pretty good, but my favorite is A.J. Soprano's version from the last season of The Sopranos.

[thepandorarose.livejournal.com]

Yes, it is so sad about Bob. They could have no killed him and let Angela take over, but what's done is done. :) In the Jules Verne Trailer it looks like she takes over after the villains escape and gives Bob the third degree, I would really have liked to see that.

I'm excited about Matt's "Walkabout" and who is Tracy Strauss - I have a feeling there are more than two of her and maybe that was Jessica in Angela's dream, but we will see.

I'm very conflicted by Sylar as Angela's son. If it has a great pay-off that gives Cristine a great storyline than I can like it, but I don't want her to take her attention away from her relationships with Peter and Nathan. I did hear last season. at first, she was meant to just be his mentor and if I had to choice I like the son idea better. Angela's and Sylar would need a big reason for that! But here she's using the info she has to obviously, based on the promo, use Sylar to bring back the villains and present Peter (the Peter she likes.) And so it has to be done. The need is more urgent.

What actually also makes me interested is that scene we saw in the countdown special. I've always liked the idea of objects having memory. And I'm very excited to see what object she puts in Sylar's hand and what it tells him. I can only guess she wants him to believe her and THEN she will blackmail him with "Whose you're Daddy?"

And yes, doesn't it feel great to all those Charles theorist. :) It never made sense to me because he wasn't working for Charles when he had his first dream. And I think it's a prefect power for Angela. It so fits into her character and shows why she is the way she is - she's seen so much 'death' - possibly her loved ones killed over and over again. And in her world she can't be seen as weak - so she pushes it all inside. I can't wait to found out more. I bet it's a piece of jewelry or something and I'm putting almost all my money she puts her ring in his hand.

I had more to say, but I'm home with a head cold and I can't think. :) Always love to hear your thoughts.

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

I found it fascinating that she makes the distinction between "my son" (= Present!Peter, and Present!Peter only) and Future!Peter, who gets the hardcore tongue lashing treatment that previously only Nathan (in Four Months Later, for example) received; but then he, like Nathan then, messed with her plans.

Not only that, I found it fascinating how harsh *he* was towards *her*. "I've seen what you do. What you become. So don't think I'm doing this for my health." I have never, ever seen Peter speak that harshly towards anyone, in any of his past, present, or future incarnations. That, more than anything, convinced me that the future he came from was absolutely awful, and made his decision to come back and shoot Nathan a lot less out of left field for me.

I think that Peter wanted to resist telling Nathan everything, so he wouldn't screw up the timeline further. He managed that with Claire, but with Nathan, he just couldn't. But more on that in my Peter meta, to come. :D

I am so, so sad they killed Bob. Nooo!!! Though as abigail_n points out, there may have been meta reasons for that, too. Still. :(

But I loved pretty much everything with Present!Peter, which makes me happy. That scene on Level 5 has quickly shot up into my favorite scenes ever on the show.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

surprise!siblings (*spits but will say more in a moment*)

I must say you take that a whole lot calmer than I did.

In contrast to ... this, I'm actually delighted with Tracy being a secret!twin.

And as for all the Nathan stuff, I'm once again digging up the "Papa Petrelli is alive and evil" speculation. I'm telling you, one day it will come to pass!

Oh, and considering Nathan in the future, didn't it come up in Angela and FPeter's talk that he was dead again?

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Stephen Tobolowski borke his neck horseback riding, which is why all of his scenes in "The Second Coming" were filmed with him sitting in a chair, staring straight ahead - I don't think it would have been feasible for him to stay on the show.

Ouch. Poor man.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I have never, ever seen Peter speak that harshly towards anyone, in any of his past, present, or future incarnations.

Well, there was Sylar after the Nathan disguise fell.*g* But I know what you mean, and I agree. Especially since Peter never argued with Angela in the past, not seriously; in their parents preference/ love-is-overrated talk in the pilot he's anything but agressive.

Bob: The meta reasons make sense of what is otherwise an incomprehensible decision re: Bob to me, though I would have let him fall into a coma until S.T. gets better. (Though I am very glad he survived a broken neck at all! And can understand if he's out of the business for a while.)

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Oh, I yelled "oh no you didn't!" out loud when that episode ended. But then philosophy, and an impending professional engagement, reasserted itself, but now I'm not working anymore and can mutter "oh no" again.*g* But seriously, I can acknowledge that given the decision to keep Sylar around AND to let him regain his powers, they needed to come up with a reason why he wouldn't just kill all the other villains, since he's so not the team player type, and giving Angela that kind of psychological hold over him (for a while) at least makes sense given the character background.

(Again, all the evil stems from Sylar's popularity, without which we'd never have seen him beyond s1 again. Sylar fans, I'm looking at you!)

I'm once again digging up the "Papa Petrelli is alive and evil" speculation. I'm telling you, one day it will come to pass!

I keep hoping the same about my SYLAR MUST DIE demand, but I think yours has a somewhat stronger chance of being true. Especially given Bob's death. They can't have Angela as the ONLY representative of the Elders, and if Arthur has death-defeating powers, then his own survival is explained. (Plus Linderman calling Nathan "my boy" definitely sounded fatherly; I don't recall Linderman, though of course he took a pseudo-parental position in his late s1 appearances, using this phrase then, do you? And Arthur masquerading as Linderman in Nathan's head makes some twisted kind of sense.)

I have to rewach the episodes for Future!Nathan references, as I don't recall it coming up with Angela and Peter, but I might have missed it.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

In that case, I'm just happy Stephen Tobolowski is still alive. And yes, I can see the advantage of Elle as a free agent, though she could have become this by rebelling against her father, I suppose. Still, I'm very curious where they'll go with her.

I only watched the first two seasons of The Sopranos, so I wouldn't know...

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Oh, I yelled "oh no you didn't!" out loud when that episode ended.

Er, me too. And scared the roommate to boot. I think he still doesn't get what my damage is even after seeing the episode himself. *shakes head*

and giving Angela that kind of psychological hold over him (for a while) at least makes sense given the character background.

That once again makes me wish for a crossover meeting between Angela and Ben. I bet she could hold her own against him.

And yeah, since we obviously have to keep him around *grumble* this is probably one of the better ideas. I mean, next to having him hit his head, get amnesia, and become a good guy.

And actually Zachary Quinto does look a little like Adrian Pasdar.

Last not least: Peter and Gabriel? Angela and Arthur were doing some funny experimental drugs back then, weren't they? At least they chose the most talented Genesis member. goes off on a weird thought tangent about a show were the hero and his villainous twin brother are named Philip and Colin. Who have an older brother called Rutherford.

I keep hoping the same about my SYLAR MUST DIE demand, but I think yours has a somewhat stronger chance of being true.

If it turns out that he's also a space pirate, I promise I'll even become a Mayinder shipper.

Plus Linderman calling Nathan "my boy" definitely sounded fatherly; I don't recall Linderman, though of course he took a pseudo-parental position in his late s1 appearances, using this phrase then, do you? And Arthur masquerading as Linderman in Nathan's head makes some twisted kind of sense.

I want to say I remember him using it, but that may just have been his paternal condescension in general.
And yeah, especially given the relationship between Arthur and Daniel L., this would make sense, and it's also really twisted. I mean, not that resurrecting your son from the dead so that he can finally take on that political career you always wanted for him isn't. And here we thought Angela was too controlling.

I have to rewach the episodes for Future!Nathan references, as I don't recall it coming up with Angela and Peter, but I might have missed it.

You know, it's possible I imagined that, since he's always dead in the future. 12 had some good points about FPeter behaving as if he were dead around him, though.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

That once again makes me wish for a crossover meeting between Angela and Ben. I bet she could hold her own against him.

That was my very argument when Yahtzee said she couldn't: Angela has the mother advantage. Not that Ben wouldn't realize this, but it just might still work. We've never seen him up against a woman older than himself, is all I'm saying.

Last not least: Peter and Gabriel? Angela and Arthur were doing some funny experimental drugs back then, weren't they?

LOL. Why are you assuming Arthur was the father, though, do you think the not so archangel named one was actually a separated at birth twin? Because my money is on another father. *looks at Kaito, just to mess with Hiro some more, looks at Sylar's unAsian face and reconsiders*

If it's Arthur, they really need to find some equivalent of the space pirate occupation since they made the Petrellis so much like the Summers already...

And here we thought Angela was too controlling.

And that odd statement from Peter about Angela being now that Arthur is dead able to speak her mind from the pilot is finally explained!

Anyway, it occurs to me that if it's Arthur, the whole Adam on a revenge path storyline provides an explanation whe he didn't show up to get Nathan back on the career track earlier - he didn't want to risk becoming another item on Adam's killed Elders list. That's assuming he was able to keep track of events in New York and elsewhere enough to notice there was such a list, of course.

[ide-cyan.livejournal.com]

Oh, I hadn't heard about Tobolowski's injury. :-(

[tebasile7.livejournal.com]

Ok, butting in here too ;-)
I`m absolutely with you on Sylar!
In fact after he appropriated Claire`s Power my first thought was "please, someone bury him alive".
As for the last revelation it was "p,lease, let her speak metaphorical" but followed by "no, on this show it will be fact" followed by "ok, let`s see where they wuill be taking this".

As a whole I can say that Heroes is a difficult show to watch episode by episode ( watched it in large chunks before) because of the many convoluted storylines that take lots of eps to at least make somewhat sense.

As for Bruce Boxleitner = Bill Clinton.
That I have known for a decade now ;-)
During the late run of B5 (aka President Sheridan) a friend and rabid fangirl for him attended a convention where she had a conversation with him in a bar where he apparently smoked a cigar. the stub of which she took home and kept in plastic bag which she showed us under much giggling and innuendo...and I started to keep thinking intern and interstellar alliance....
The way her looks now and this new role is not helping me get rid of that image at all....lol

[47-trek-47.livejournal.com]

Plus Linderman calling Nathan "my boy" definitely sounded fatherly; I don't recall Linderman, though of course he took a pseudo-parental position in his late s1 appearances, using this phrase then, do you? And Arthur masquerading as Linderman in Nathan's head makes some twisted kind of sense.

Holy crap. I love this idea. I'd been trying to figure out who might be pulling Nathan's strings, and I've always just been waiting for Arthur to show back up, and I definitely think mental!Linderman was behaving very paternally towards Nathan, but I hadn't put all these notions together before... OMG. That's brilliant.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

Nathan? Given that SOMETHING happened with Nathan in the timeline currently wiped out by Future!Peter, and it wasn't getting shot, and it wasn't something good - or on her own behalf. I wonder whether she'll take over after Angela, or did take over in that timeline.

I suspect that Claire and Angela at the very least are collaborators with the government in persecuting mutants -- Future!Peter's disgust with Angela early in the second episode means to me that she was either alive when he left, or did some very bad things on her own before she did die. I don't think Nathan was much a part of that. Being the first one outed, he probably got the brunt of experimentation at first, and that led to Peter being "used" (note his particular anger on that word). Who knows, maybe that in itself is what led to Claire and Angela's collaboration -- either trying to protect Peter and Nathan, or giving up an trying to just save themselves from that same fate.

Lastly, I found it interesting that Future!Peter tells Angela and later Nathan, but doesn't tell Claire the truth; an attempt not to mess up the timeline(s) any further with Claire or the difference in relationships?

Both, IMO. I mean, he didn't so much tell Angela. She just figured him out. With Claire, he was trying to avoid damaging the time line further, and until he talked with her, I don't think the full impact of the changes he had made had gotten to him. And being Peter, the strain of guilt for seeing what he put Nathan through just eventually got to him. I don't know if hanging around Claire for a longer time would have forced a confession from him (probably, and that's why he left so abruptly), but he kept being drawn back to Nathan even after he should have been secure in the knowledge that Nathan's newfound crazy would prevent him from changing his mind about telling the world.

On the minus side, I am displeased both Kaito and the show forgot Kimiko is supposed to succeed Kaito, not Hiro. You know, the actual business woman?

My fanwank? She is running things. Hiro's a total figurehead. Because if he were running things, he wouldn't have time to sit around and get bored. Hopefully she'll crop up again to establish this, but for now, that's what I'm sticking with.

The Sylar pairings which were written anyway just gained possible new popularity by the 'cesters.

Ha, well, *cough* I checked in with some of the Sylar fans yesterday. A lot were none to pleased to see their pairings jossed by incest (or should we switch that to kringed, since annulling a pairing through incest does seem to be his specialty).

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Because if he were running things, he wouldn't have time to sit around and get bored. Hopefully she'll crop up again to establish this, but for now, that's what I'm sticking with.

That is my fanon, too, but in this case I am still severely displeased with Kaito for not making her the official successor. Seems traditionalism and chauvinism won out!

Ha, well, *cough* I checked in with some of the Sylar fans yesterday. A lot were none to pleased to see their pairings jossed by incest (or should we switch that to kringed, since annulling a pairing through incest does seem to be his specialty).

It does, and is that so? Am I a terrible person for having absolutely no sympathy and feeling more a distinct whiff of Schadenfreude? (Mostly because I don't get Sylar pairings anway.)

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

That is my fanon, too, but in this case I am still severely displeased with Kaito for not making her the official successor. Seems traditionalism and chauvinism won out!

Yeah, that bugs. I hope someone asks that for BtE, since I forgot to send it in with my questions. A fanwank about Kimiko wanting to actually manage things, rather than fight with people who don't think she should be the CEO would work for me, even.

Am I a terrible person for having absolutely no sympathy and feeling more a distinct whiff of Schadenfreude? (Mostly because I don't get Sylar pairings anway.)

I'm even a worse person, because I find it hilarious.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Why are you assuming Arthur was the father, though, do you think the not so archangel named one was actually a separated at birth twin? Because my money is on another father.

Well, I thought if they are already digging out the really heavy cliches, why not this, too? Someone else being the father seemed too complicated to me, not least because we'd need a candidate then. *eyes Adam and Linderman*

If it's Arthur, they really need to find some equivalent of the space pirate occupation since they made the Petrellis so much like the Summers already...

Who knows, he probably did hide out in the Caribbean doing nefarious things.
Btw, if Nathan starts dating Tracy, it fits with Scott often falling for Jean look-alikes, no? And at the same time she's a White Queen.

Anyway, it occurs to me that if it's Arthur, the whole Adam on a revenge path storyline provides an explanation whe he didn't show up to get Nathan back on the career track earlier - he didn't want to risk becoming another item on Adam's killed Elders list. That's assuming he was able to keep track of events in New York and elsewhere enough to notice there was such a list, of course.

Well, if he can resurrect dead people and make others see visions, he'll probably have means for greater surveillance, too.

[mimesh.livejournal.com]

(Future!Claire: I wonder whether she was working for the Company, or someone else - Nathan? Given that SOMETHING happened with Nathan in the timeline currently wiped out by Future!Peter, and it wasn't getting shot, and it wasn't something good - or on her own behalf. I wonder whether she'll take over after Angela, or did take over in that timeline.)

Ohhh, I'd like that. Her line "I made my peace with that a long time ago" referring to all the testings, the specials being hunted etc. would make sense in this context. And if you look at the two people who are following Peter and who are therefore probably working with Claire to catch him, you really might be onto something with your spec here.

I actually figured out Future!Peter had replaced Present!Peter when Matt found him in the bathroom, because having two Peters chase each other and disappearing from the tv viewers sight is a set-up for an identity switch if there ever was one.

I found it really surprising how many people were confused when the switch happened. I was spoiled for it, so it was very obvious for me. But even my mother who isn't half as familiar with the character or the actor as fandom identified F_Peter right from the start basing on the set up and Milo's altered acting.

Now there were about a hundred ways someone with accumulated superpowers could stop someone else from speaking, I'll grant you, but the Petrellis being the Petrellis and always this side of Greek Tragedy, I could buy Future!Peter would go for the quasi fratricide instead. Also, I think Kring & Co. wanted to reintroduce tension into the relationship between Peter and Nathan, and between world savings and love declarations putting an end to the earlier reasons, they needed something drastic to do that.

I have a harder time to accept the shooting even if I do see the necessity of giving a new direction to their relationship. They needed to reintroduce conflict into their dynamic in order to create some drama and suspense but I wish they had not done something this drastic. Basing on our current knowledge it's out of character for Peter and I hope we do get more of a justification or at least a bigger context for his actions. I however agree with you that I love family conflicts, so I'm looking forward to how they are working through this.

Interesting theory regarding the drawbacks of Adam's blood as the reason why the elders didn't use it but I suspect it's the second option. The suit really threw me off. Someone is messing with Nathan, someone who wants him to be a part in his plan, who set up the chapel scene in order to get his political career rolling and who is using Six!Linderman to influence him.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

The suit really threw me off.

On second watching, which I just did, I wonder whether the tv guy is involved. Based on the way he watches Nathan in the church before his camera crew come in. But at any rate, the suit, which wasn't what Nathan wore when he got shot and which disappears afterwards, definitely is a big hint he's not just hallucinating and/or suffering aftereffects. And if that's true, that someone wouldn't just leave it to accident that a tv crew is around to capture the very moment Nathan is conscious and able to make that little speech. So I wonder whether the young black man in question is another telepath or has a similar gift, because he almost feeds his lines to Nathan. (I don't, however, think he's the one pulling the strings, but working for someone else.)