TW: that episode was They keep killing Suzie, wasn't it? Yes. Very twisted and actually wellwritten. And 'Out of Time' is excellent too! *makes note to re-watch asap*
The stopwatch scene actually bothered me at the time and I only now have reconciled myself to it. Back then, I just couldn't understand how we got from the end of Cyberwoman to this, and it in a way epitomized why I felt unable to muster any enthusiasm for Jack/Ianto - I thought it was an underwritten and unbelievable relationship. You know, it's a funny thing. I loved Ianto from the get-go (the whole butler thing was brilliant, I thought), but then Cyberwoman went and trampled all over his characterisation (as far as I could tell) and I got very grumpy. But - here's what I wrote about him in 'Countrycide' (unspoiled!):
Ianto. Why is he there? I mean he appears to hate everything, so why hasn’t he left? I’m sincerely hoping they’re going to give him some sort of reason for hanging around - because currently he’s just annoying me. He’s obviously ‘the outsider’, doing a bit of ‘telling, not showing’ when the need arises. Please, please let him have a crush on Jack...
So the stopwatch scene was like a dream come true - and not just that, but it was *subtle* too. But I agree with you re. Fragments - it makes the whole thing *far* more believable, and their interactions in Cyberwoman work so much better if they're already in a relationship. (The Captain's Blog does of course also a great job of filling in the background.)
ETA: From my original post on 'They Keep Killing': Although of course I *loved* the ending! I'd never thought a stopwatch could be used for innuendo, but there you go. Very effective. Of course it makes no sense continuity wise, what with Ianto's evil robo girlfriend of only 4 episodes ago, and the whole "You're the biggest monster down here!", but if we choose to dismiss that sorry mess as some sort of dream I think it could work rather nicely! :)
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Date: 2009-01-23 04:22 pm (UTC)Yes. Very twisted and actually wellwritten. And 'Out of Time' is excellent too! *makes note to re-watch asap*
The stopwatch scene actually bothered me at the time and I only now have reconciled myself to it. Back then, I just couldn't understand how we got from the end of Cyberwoman to this, and it in a way epitomized why I felt unable to muster any enthusiasm for Jack/Ianto - I thought it was an underwritten and unbelievable relationship.
You know, it's a funny thing. I loved Ianto from the get-go (the whole butler thing was brilliant, I thought), but then Cyberwoman went and trampled all over his characterisation (as far as I could tell) and I got very grumpy. But - here's what I wrote about him in 'Countrycide' (unspoiled!):
Ianto. Why is he there? I mean he appears to hate everything, so why hasn’t he left? I’m sincerely hoping they’re going to give him some sort of reason for hanging around - because currently he’s just annoying me. He’s obviously ‘the outsider’, doing a bit of ‘telling, not showing’ when the need arises. Please, please let him have a crush on Jack...
So the stopwatch scene was like a dream come true - and not just that, but it was *subtle* too. But I agree with you re. Fragments - it makes the whole thing *far* more believable, and their interactions in Cyberwoman work so much better if they're already in a relationship. (The Captain's Blog does of course also a great job of filling in the background.)
ETA: From my original post on 'They Keep Killing': Although of course I *loved* the ending! I'd never thought a stopwatch could be used for innuendo, but there you go. Very effective. Of course it makes no sense continuity wise, what with Ianto's evil robo girlfriend of only 4 episodes ago, and the whole "You're the biggest monster down here!", but if we choose to dismiss that sorry mess as some sort of dream I think it could work rather nicely! :)