Racefail - I have no idea what to say to that anymore, honestly. Other than that a grown man putting up another person for potential harassment by outing her real name on the internet is abominable. (Thumbs up to lizbee's idea, definitely.)
Lost: Agree about Sawyer's entertainment value being higher when he's not in a geometric construct.
Watching this, I wished I remembered the dates from The Man Behind the Curtain better. Clearly, Roger Linus and his son Benjamin haven't arrived on the island yet, but shouldn't that be due soon?
Technically, he should have arrived somewhere in the three years they spend with the DI - if I got it right, the Linuses came to the island in 1975.
There is something off about the timeline, though, because unless Dan wasn't hallucinating, little Charlotte was already there in 1974, and we have been told the character was 25, not 32 or 33.
Incidentally, did you notice her phrasing? The Others "wiped out most of the Dharma Initiative". This means she's aware that the story Ben told to the "new" Others and to Jack, that he was born on the island, is a lie, which means either Ben or Richard must have told her the truth.
I think another possibility is that Ben wasn't the only one who switched sides before the Purge. He even said as much at the mass grave. So Juliet could know other people who used to be with Dharma before they became Others.
Olivia and Amy - my simplest explanation for this is that Horace and Olivia came to the island together and then separated. I don't think it is ever indicated in TMBTC that they're still together, even though she's also on the island. As a Doylist explanation I simply wondered if they couldn't get Samantha Mathis, and thus rewrote the story to make Amy Horace's new partner.
(who does resemble Juliet somewhat, but also died at his birth, and while Ben saw her as a ghost, it's doubtful Harper did, so how would she know?)
Ben has a painting of a blonde woman with a hamster(?), which if I'm not completely wrong was also in his father's house, so this might be how Harper knew if that is actually his mother. But Juliet being the one he imprinted on of course also makes a lot of sense. Oh Ben, you're so nuts.
And then there's Penny's age. She evidently does not remember the island. So just when did Charles Widmore leave/was exiled, and what happened before he did?
If Miles is right about the twenty years Widmore searched for the island, Widmore must have left in the mid-eighties, at which point Penny would have been a bit old to not remember being there.
I wonder if he had either a girlfriend on the mainland, or his partner left when she was pregnant - if the Dharma initiative had their women give birth on the mainland, the Others may have done the same. Given his charming personality, I wouldn't be too surprised if a wife/girlfriend thought it easier to raise Penny without his "help."
In conclusion, Juliet is a magnet for Men Who Lie (see also: her husband, Goedwin, Ben...).
I tell you, she should have taken up with Sayid. It's more deadly, but probably also more truthful.
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Date: 2009-03-05 11:01 am (UTC)Lost:
Agree about Sawyer's entertainment value being higher when he's not in a geometric construct.
Watching this, I wished I remembered the dates from The Man Behind the Curtain better. Clearly, Roger Linus and his son Benjamin haven't arrived on the island yet, but shouldn't that be due soon?
Technically, he should have arrived somewhere in the three years they spend with the DI - if I got it right, the Linuses came to the island in 1975.
There is something off about the timeline, though, because unless Dan wasn't hallucinating, little Charlotte was already there in 1974, and we have been told the character was 25, not 32 or 33.
Incidentally, did you notice her phrasing? The Others "wiped out most of the Dharma Initiative". This means she's aware that the story Ben told to the "new" Others and to Jack, that he was born on the island, is a lie, which means either Ben or Richard must have told her the truth.
I think another possibility is that Ben wasn't the only one who switched sides before the Purge. He even said as much at the mass grave. So Juliet could know other people who used to be with Dharma before they became Others.
Olivia and Amy - my simplest explanation for this is that Horace and Olivia came to the island together and then separated. I don't think it is ever indicated in TMBTC that they're still together, even though she's also on the island. As a Doylist explanation I simply wondered if they couldn't get Samantha Mathis, and thus rewrote the story to make Amy Horace's new partner.
(who does resemble Juliet somewhat, but also died at his birth, and while Ben saw her as a ghost, it's doubtful Harper did, so how would she know?)
Ben has a painting of a blonde woman with a hamster(?), which if I'm not completely wrong was also in his father's house, so this might be how Harper knew if that is actually his mother. But Juliet being the one he imprinted on of course also makes a lot of sense. Oh Ben, you're so nuts.
And then there's Penny's age. She evidently does not remember the island. So just when did Charles Widmore leave/was exiled, and what happened before he did?
If Miles is right about the twenty years Widmore searched for the island, Widmore must have left in the mid-eighties, at which point Penny would have been a bit old to not remember being there.
I wonder if he had either a girlfriend on the mainland, or his partner left when she was pregnant - if the Dharma initiative had their women give birth on the mainland, the Others may have done the same. Given his charming personality, I wouldn't be too surprised if a wife/girlfriend thought it easier to raise Penny without his "help."
In conclusion, Juliet is a magnet for Men Who Lie (see also: her husband, Goedwin, Ben...).
I tell you, she should have taken up with Sayid. It's more deadly, but probably also more truthful.
She did have nice chemistry with Sawyer, though.