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[personal profile] selenak
I've started to watch Hatufim, the Israeli series which inspired Homeland, am three episodes in, and so far, it's as good as advertised, with because there is no Carrie and no "is she crazy or is he a terrorist?" first season story arc the focus being instead on how the released hostages (Brody's role given to two guys, one of whom has the bratty daughter named Dana and the other has the significant other who found another love while he was gone) and their families cope. Which is really well done. However. One thing that's increasingly hard to watch is how Noorid (I hope that's the right spelling) gets slut shamed by everyone - not the show, I hasten to add, which relates it from her pov and has her as a sympathetic character - for daring to fall in love again during the 17 years which in the Israeli version her husband was gone. In Homeland, you get one episode in which Jessica realises she's been very unfair to Thomas' wife in the past because she remarried, and now that she herself fell in love again is painfully aware of the irony. In Hatufim, the shaming of Noorid happens in the present storyline. I have no idea how realistic or not it is - I mean, I can believe that the girlfriend/fiance/wife of an imprisoned soldier who'd been build up in to a sympathy figure would get some media backlash if she stops waiting for him and has a new relationship - but Noorid practically can't go out of the house without running into people calling her whore and betrayer of the nation. It's really disturbing.

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In Yuletide news, I hit upon another crazy idea and decided to nominate the Beatles' Seargent Pepper's Lonely Heartsclub Band album as a fandom, with Billy Shears, Lovely Rita, Lucy, the girlf from She's Leaving Home and Sgt. Pepper as possible characters. A few years ago, before I dared to write Yuletide, someone nominated Revolver and got plenty of stories, so there is precedence. Also, this nomination spreadsheet offers a handy overview of what everyone else thinks of nominating, and I've spotted a few possibilities where I could offer - I'd definitely like to tackle Connie Corleone from The Godfather, because I thought while Coppola's film version and Talia Shire's performance (Coppola casting his own sister as Connie is an interesting subtext) improved somewhat on Mario Puzo's horribly sexist writing of her, there is still a lot of fleshing out and exploration possible, especially given the gap between II and III and Connie basically becoming Michael's consigliere in between. Sharon Penman's Welsh trilogy also offers intriguing possibilities (what were Davydd ap Gruffyd's years as a hostage at the English court like, for starters?). And someone else kindly offered to nominate Bates Motel so I can get another historical fandom in. It's all proceeding very promisingly indeed.

Date: 2013-09-11 12:10 am (UTC)
kalypso: (Hedda)
From: [personal profile] kalypso
The Nurit storyline is horrifying - not least the way that the Israeli authorities told her that she had to pretend she was still Uri's fiancee (they were not yet married when he was captured) on his return, and take him "home" to a flat. Clearly she was expected to agree to sex if he asked; they couldn't be sure that he wouldn't. Of course, they said that this would be a temporary arrangement, but how on earth did they think it would improve Uri's state of mind if he found out he'd just had sex with his brother's wife?

As I remember it the public hatred, though completely unfair, is influenced by the knowledge that Nurit moved on to Uri's brother not all that long into the seventeen years; I think it was stated how soon, but I've forgotten when, except that they have a son of Bar Mitzvah age. But the father, as I recall, is sympathetic to her plight and says that it happened because she was distraught and clinging to her fiance's family for comfort.

As you may gather, I didn't really find that part of the storyline terribly plausible, but I do think it's interesting the way that multiplying the number of prisoners enables them to play with different scenarios.

Date: 2013-09-15 05:30 am (UTC)
skywaterblue: (shakespeare)
From: [personal profile] skywaterblue
That sounds like a cultural situation that wouldn't translate very well to a American non-Jewish/Israeli audience. According to be fully, religiously divorced in Israel (which is important, because the State does not control marriages there) Noorid would have to have a get from her husband. Who can't give one, because he's in captivity. So she's got agunah status according to Jewish law because she's not really divorced from him.

Also, in Israel, she probably would be a minor celebrity because it's a small country with a very big obsession with the idea that every soldier comes home. To the point that the families of captive soldiers DO become media figures there.

So you combine those two things and it seems pretty realistic that people in Israel are giving this character shit because she's managed to disrespect the State AND the religious authorities.

ETA: Here's where not having seen this is a problem. Is she never actually married to him? That's very, very weird. It's an almost understandable storyline if she is...
Edited (because Selenak is not American) Date: 2013-09-15 05:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-17 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skywaterblue
It sounds to me like Israeli producers trying to have their cake and eat it, too.

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