Fanon Meme
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selenakSo, I aquired the OT on DVD today, and I suppose it says something about my priorities within the Star Wars universe that first I went to the bonus material and played that featurette about Episode III, featuring teasing glimpses of Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen practicising the big duel, and Anakin getting Vader-ized. Then I watched the audio commentary version of Star Wars, Episode IV: A New Hope, or just plain SW to you and me. More on that next weekend, when the reliable internet connection private time Force will be with me once more.
Till then, I'll do this meme of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
alara_r's and hobsonphile's. Multifandom-wise.
Fanons you like:
- Padme kept that trinket Anakin carved for her in The Phantom Menace. Wait, that's not fanon anymore, because she wears it in one Episode III photo. (Can you tell I'm in a SW kind of mind right now?)
- Snape was in love with Lily Potter: I find the idea quite plausible, and there are some good fanfics using it. I'm sure there are also some awful ones, but I haven't read that much HP anyway.
- the between trilogies backstoryfernwithy created for Anakin/Vader and Leia; I have no idea whether this counts as fanon, but I've seen at least two other writers use it, so I guess it might
- Delenn loved Lennier as well as Sheridan and reunited with him after SiL (deborah_judge convinced me months ago)
- Charles Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr were lovers; mind you, they don't have to be for me to enjoy the story, I just think it's a highly plausible interpretation within the X-Men movieverse
- Jean Grey has a sort of divorced parents relationship with both of them: does this count as fanon,artaxastra and penknife?
- and, of course: Londo/G'Kar. As with Xavier/Magneto, the great thing here is that the issues, the intensity and the amazing emotional journey in canon is there whether or not you add a sexual dimension. I'm just rooting for middle-aged folk to get equal treatment with the pretty young things in fannish treatment here, and apparently, the rooting has had effects.*g*
Fanons you hate:
- Saint!Obi and Slut!Obi; both are equally annoying
- while we're at it, Saint!Spike and Saint!Methos
- an old HL fanon, by now hopefully extinct: Cassandra as a bloodthirsty psychopath slaughtering and torturing people left and right to revenge herself on Methos, until he or MacLeod or both behead her
- grovelling Buffy begging forgiveness from Spike/Angel/Xander/Giles/whomever: no way.
- Alfred Bester, torturer at large: fanfics which have Bester torture one or several of our heroes simply because the author needs angst and he's a villain tick me off to no end. Motivations, people. Look them up.
I'd add Slut!Marcus, but I honestly don't care enough about the character one way or the other.
Fanons or fanfic trends you started or popularized:
- Londo/G'Kar. After moaning for a decade about the lack of (gen) fanfic about the two, I finally did something productive about my woe and wrote a (gen) story. This put me into contact withhobsonphile. A bit earlier, I had discovered deborah_judge who had made a remark about the complete lack of Londo/G'Kar in the fanfic world in her lj. Fast forward several weeks and an lj for Hobs and some jokes later, and an evil, tentacle-porn-shaped idea was born. It still took me some more months to have the guts to actually write the first Londo/G'Kar slash, but I do claim the honour of having done the pioneer deed. Oh, and I bullied andrastewhite into watching B5, which in turn gave B5 fandom one of my favourite fanfic writers.
Fanons of your own you wish other people would steal more often:
- Quark/Dax. As in, it's canon he loved her, and why should Odo get all the angst and action?
- Londo/G'Kar. Because there can't be enough tentacle porn.
- The Centauri population does not consist only of the nobility. Let's explore the rest of the race as well.
Till then, I'll do this meme of
alara_r's and hobsonphile's. Multifandom-wise.Fanons you like:
- Padme kept that trinket Anakin carved for her in The Phantom Menace. Wait, that's not fanon anymore, because she wears it in one Episode III photo. (Can you tell I'm in a SW kind of mind right now?)
- Snape was in love with Lily Potter: I find the idea quite plausible, and there are some good fanfics using it. I'm sure there are also some awful ones, but I haven't read that much HP anyway.
- the between trilogies backstory
fernwithy created for Anakin/Vader and Leia; I have no idea whether this counts as fanon, but I've seen at least two other writers use it, so I guess it might- Delenn loved Lennier as well as Sheridan and reunited with him after SiL (
deborah_judge convinced me months ago)- Charles Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr were lovers; mind you, they don't have to be for me to enjoy the story, I just think it's a highly plausible interpretation within the X-Men movieverse
- Jean Grey has a sort of divorced parents relationship with both of them: does this count as fanon,
artaxastra and penknife?- and, of course: Londo/G'Kar. As with Xavier/Magneto, the great thing here is that the issues, the intensity and the amazing emotional journey in canon is there whether or not you add a sexual dimension. I'm just rooting for middle-aged folk to get equal treatment with the pretty young things in fannish treatment here, and apparently, the rooting has had effects.*g*
Fanons you hate:
- Saint!Obi and Slut!Obi; both are equally annoying
- while we're at it, Saint!Spike and Saint!Methos
- an old HL fanon, by now hopefully extinct: Cassandra as a bloodthirsty psychopath slaughtering and torturing people left and right to revenge herself on Methos, until he or MacLeod or both behead her
- grovelling Buffy begging forgiveness from Spike/Angel/Xander/Giles/whomever: no way.
- Alfred Bester, torturer at large: fanfics which have Bester torture one or several of our heroes simply because the author needs angst and he's a villain tick me off to no end. Motivations, people. Look them up.
I'd add Slut!Marcus, but I honestly don't care enough about the character one way or the other.
Fanons or fanfic trends you started or popularized:
- Londo/G'Kar. After moaning for a decade about the lack of (gen) fanfic about the two, I finally did something productive about my woe and wrote a (gen) story. This put me into contact with
hobsonphile. A bit earlier, I had discovered deborah_judge who had made a remark about the complete lack of Londo/G'Kar in the fanfic world in her lj. Fast forward several weeks and an lj for Hobs and some jokes later, and an evil, tentacle-porn-shaped idea was born. It still took me some more months to have the guts to actually write the first Londo/G'Kar slash, but I do claim the honour of having done the pioneer deed. Oh, and I bullied andrastewhite into watching B5, which in turn gave B5 fandom one of my favourite fanfic writers. Fanons of your own you wish other people would steal more often:
- Quark/Dax. As in, it's canon he loved her, and why should Odo get all the angst and action?
- Londo/G'Kar. Because there can't be enough tentacle porn.
- The Centauri population does not consist only of the nobility. Let's explore the rest of the race as well.
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Date: 2004-09-20 01:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-20 02:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-20 02:36 pm (UTC)Absolutely. The station is full of them, but we never hear much about the vast range between the VIPs and the occasional dancing-girl.
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Date: 2004-09-20 03:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-20 03:14 pm (UTC)groveling Buffy
Date: 2004-09-20 07:40 pm (UTC)Ah, thanks for this one. I couldn't be more of a Spuffy 'shipper, but basically all of my scenarios for their reunion start with Buffy punching him in the face. ("Here's for trying to tell me what I mean when I say I love you! And here's for not telling me you're alive!")
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Date: 2004-09-20 10:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-20 10:08 pm (UTC)Re: groveling Buffy
Date: 2004-09-20 10:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-20 10:31 pm (UTC)Re: groveling Buffy
Date: 2004-09-20 11:04 pm (UTC)On rewatching "The Prom" and "Into the Woods" recently, I can't get over how often the men in Buffy's life take it on themselves to explain to her what she means when she says she loves them.
and since your original post was about "Star Wars," have we talked about the relation between Spike & Han Solo's reactions to the "now-that-you're-dying-I-love-you" from their girls?
I am so torn about <i>Empire of Dreams</i>...
Date: 2004-09-20 11:37 pm (UTC)Besides that, I can't wait for my boxed set to arrive from Amazon! All three original films in new, pristine glory preserved forever on DVD...Squee!!!
Interesting...
Date: 2004-09-20 11:57 pm (UTC)That is in keeping with an answer Lucas gave in EW this week as to what order he would hope future generations would watch the Star Wars series, and he said that he would like people to begin with Episode I, not Episode IV, even though the current generation saw them the other way around. The fact that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker is then no longer the twist, in Lucas' eyes, but figuring out how the situation at the end of Episode III turned into the start of Episode IV. For example, future generations will see Leia at the start, and instantly see the dramatic irony that Leia does not know that she is being captured by her father, and so on and so forth.
I wonder if Lucas' shift from seeing Luke as the protagonist of the series, and the one who he most identifies with, to Anakin/Vader being the protagonist of the greater arc, affected his statement about the intended order of the films. I also wonder whether this is a reflection of his maturity versus his relative youth when he first began filming the series and, if he had begun the series today, at his current age, whether he would have chosen to tell the story in order from the get-go.
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Date: 2004-09-21 03:09 am (UTC)And Bester, torturer at large, ick. Yes, he has tortured people on screen, but it's always been for a purpose. He is certainly not the sort of loopy psychopath who would kidnap and torture someone Because He Can. This may be controversial, but I suspect that there is so much outrage over torture, for good reasons, that a lot of people think that anybody who does it must be a random sadist.
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Date: 2004-09-21 03:10 am (UTC)Re: I am so torn about <i>Empire of Dreams</i>...
Date: 2004-09-21 06:48 am (UTC)Re: Interesting...
Date: 2004-09-21 06:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-21 06:59 am (UTC)He is certainly not the sort of loopy psychopath who would kidnap and torture someone Because He Can.
Exactly. On my aforementioned quest to find Londo fic, I stumbled upon a story in which he has a very small part. Guess what - he gets tortured by Bester (though the grand torture is reserved for Sheridan & Delenn). With no motives but Because He Can given. Really, if people absolutely want their characters tortured by a B5 canon character, I'm sure Mr. Sebastian would be available...
Re: groveling Buffy
Date: 2004-09-21 07:12 am (UTC)You know, this would be a great fanfic challenge: write it in the style of Jane/Marti/Joss/David Fury/whomever. No bashing of said author.
On rewatching "The Prom" and "Into the Woods" recently, I can't get over how often the men in Buffy's life take it on themselves to explain to her what she means when she says she loves them.
Heck, even Giles does this, sort of, when he tells her she's relying on him too much and that he has to leave her for her sake. No wonder that she shies away from the phrase.
and since your original post was about "Star Wars," have we talked about the relation between Spike & Han Solo's reactions to the "now-that-you're-dying-I-love-you" from their girls?
Han: No, you don't, but it's nice of you to say so. Now go!
Leia: Why, you... *she grabs Vader's light saber and throws into Han's general direction. This completely ruins the freezing effect but gives him a weapon he absolutely can't handle. Mayhem ensues.
Spike: I know.
Buffy: What do you mean, you KNOW? You've been wrong about this stuff before. Arrogant bastard.
*She knocks him unconscious, leaves the still glowing amulet behind and carries Spike away. Whether they can still escape the destruction is open to debate. In any case, more mayhem ensues.
Lennier
Date: 2004-09-21 07:32 am (UTC)I thought this *was* canon, at least the first part? I mean, I certainly can't see anyone denying that Delenn really did love Lennier, after watching them together... especially when she's dealing with the fallout of her new relationship with Sheridan.
(I also thought that Lennier was supposed to have died between Objects and Rest and SiL, as well as Lyta, Londo and G'Kar, though)
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Date: 2004-09-21 08:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-21 10:42 am (UTC)Re: Lennier
Date: 2004-09-21 10:45 am (UTC)It's the interpretation that makes the most sense to me, especially for Delenn's season 5 attitude towards Lennier, but from what view Sheridan/Delenn fics I read, it doesn't seem to be regarded as canon. Hence the "fanon".
Lennier dead: the fact Delenn names him as her toast when all the others named are dead as well points to it, but she doesn't directly say he's dead, and she could have just been unclear about his fate since decades and missing him.
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Date: 2004-09-21 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-21 01:55 pm (UTC)in a Buffyverse far far away
Date: 2004-09-21 09:33 pm (UTC)I had Buffy and Spike discuss these exit lines here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1772562/5/), and Spike said:
Oh come on, Buffy. Harrison Ford is an all-out wanker. And you are much prettier than that Fisher bird. Please forgive me. I was sacrificing my un-life to save the world, I didn’t realize you were playing movie quotes.
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Date: 2004-09-21 10:47 pm (UTC)Re: Lennier
Date: 2004-09-22 07:37 am (UTC)And it's interesting that not everyone saw the Delenn/Lennier thing. I suppose it makes sense that the manic J/D shippers would be the ones to see it differently. But I *definitely* think JMS intended us to believe that. Still, I can see why you're listing it as fanon.