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Aug. 15th, 2022 04:14 pm
selenak: (Emily by Lotesse)
[personal profile] selenak
Looks like there will be a new Emily Bronte biopic...with, of all the people, William Weightman (one of her father's curates) as her love interest. Good lord. Wiliam Weightman, for non-Bronte-afficianiados, is a likeable character in the biographical saga of this talented family - he apparrently was both cheerful and kind; for example, when he heard that none the Brontes and Charlotte's friend Ellen Nussey had ever had a Valentine, he walked the twenty odd miles to Bradford to send anonymous Valentines for all three sisters plus Ellen. (They were both touched and amused, correctly identified him as the origin of the Valentines and wrote a bantering poem for him in return.) And he died tragically young (from cholera, which he contracted while visiting the sick). But the one member of the family who as far as we know showed zilch interest in him was Emily. Anne is the one suspected of having had a mutual thing with him, though as Bronte biographer Juliet Barker points out, this assumption solely rests on a quote from Charlotte about Anne and Weightman in a letter to Ellen ("he sits opposite to Anne at Church sighing softly – & looking out of the corners of his eyes to win her attention – & Anne is so quiet, her look so downcast – they are a picture" ) and ignores that Charlotte continues in that same letter: ‘He would be the better of a comfortable wife like you to settle him you would settle him I believe – nobody else would’., which doesn't sound as if she thinks Anne's affections are engaged. You could equally make a case of Charlotte/William Weightman, since she mentions him a lot in her letters and drew his portrait, or even Branwell/William Weightman, since Branwell counted him as a friend and was crushed when he died, especially since it was quickly followed by the death of the aunt who raised him and he was present during the deaths of both. (Charlotte and Emily were in Brussels at the time, and Anne was at Thorpe Green.) (" I have had a long attendance at the death-bed of the Rev. Mr Weightman, one of my dearest friends, and now I am attending at the death-bed of my aunt, who has been for twenty years as my mother. I expect her to die in a few hours", Branwell to his friend Francis Grundy.) For that matter, you can even find several affectionate quotes from Patrick Brontes about William Weightman, both when his curate was still alive and when he died. But from Emily, or about Emily and Weightman? Nothing.

Mind you, the fact is that Emily and Anne provide only a few diary papers in terms of primary source material on their lives, and what else we know of them comes via Charlotte and other people's memories has frustrated many a biographer and fictionalizer. And there's the notorious case of one of them misreading the title of a poem - "Love's Farewell" - as "Louis Parensell" and hunting up and down in Yorkshire registries for this supposed lover of Emily's. Not to mention good old Hollywood inventing in the 1940s a justly forgotten melodram in which Emily ends up in a love triangle with Charlotte and Charlotte's eventual husband, another of Patrick's curates, Arthur Bell Nichols. The desparation to find a fictional love interest for Emily when real life stubbornly refuses to provide one is presumably due to the idea that she couldn't written Wuthering Heights without a rl romantic experience of her own. Insert my eyeroll here. But if you have to put her into a romantic plot, there's always the headmistress of the one school where Emliy briefly taught, Law Hill, who as I dimly recall was an enterprising single woman. Or use the fact Emily never left Gondal (Charlotte left Angria behind, and Anne eventually stopped writing Gondal poetry and stories, but Emily kept writing Gondal poetry even after publishing) and literary give her a lover (of either sex) formed by her own imagination, be adventurous. But don't inflict her Dad's curates on her or her on the curates.

(Meanwhile, for all the bad opinion she and others had of her looks, the Bronte sister who actually turned down several marriage proposals from clergymen, had an unrequited love for her teacher, an intense flirt with her publisher and an eventual marriage right out of a Jane Austen plot was Charlotte. )

Another trailer for an upcoming historical tv show is this one about Catherine de' Medici, called "The Serpent Queen" and starring Samantha Morton in the title role. I note with approval that the trailer contains several scenes of child and teenage Catherine, because however you interpret her, I don't think you can leave out the horrible childhood or the humilation conga she went through as a teenage wife. And Samantha Morton certainly is excellent casting for Catherine in her days of power.

Date: 2022-08-15 02:31 pm (UTC)
lirazel: The three Bronte sisters as portrayed in To Walk Invisible looking out over the moor ([tv] three suns)
From: [personal profile] lirazel
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

This is even more infuriating than that Jane Austen movie a while back! I absolutely hate the insistence that all fictional work must in fact be autobiographical. It's stupid and reductive and wrong. (Also as an ace person who writes romance sometimes, it's personally insulting to me.)

I am also insulted as a reader/viewer by the assumption that if I like the Brontes' works enough to want to watch a movie about one of them, I must be only interested in the romantic angle. Look, we already have a good biofilm about the Brontes, and it's called To Walk Invisible and it was totally compelling even without the romantic angle! (The romance was with writing!!!!)

And there's the notorious case of one of them misreading the title of a poem - "Love's Farewell" - as "Louis Parensell" and hunting up and down in Yorkshire registries for this supposed lover of Emily's.

Lol!

Date: 2022-08-15 11:55 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
They certainly put far more passion and time into building up writing careers together than any time with dudes. I was always touched that Arthur waited until Villette was done IIRC to finally propose, but I also always felt he knew he wouldn't get far if he tried proposing in the middle of her writing.

Date: 2022-08-15 06:54 pm (UTC)
liriaen: (Cesare - rest on your arms reversed)
From: [personal profile] liriaen
I have to admit, the "Serpent Queen" trailer tickled me in very good ways! I like the anachronistic choice of soundtrack (getting a "Plunkett & Macleane" vibe here!) and the editing (of a trailer, okay, doesn't say much, but...) - Thank you for sharing this!

Date: 2022-08-15 11:37 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
Emily/Willie?! All right, then.

the idea that she couldn't written Wuthering Heights without a rl romantic experience of her own

[personal profile] lorata and I, both asexual authors of fanfic romances, used to commiserate/rant about this! Since we're *also* proud authors of fic about our problematic faves, we came up with retorts like, "So you're saying we must have a lot of experience with murder?" :P

*headdesk*
Edited Date: 2022-08-15 11:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2022-08-15 11:53 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
LOLLLLLLL someone showed me the trailer for this apparently so they could watch me sputtering in real time. Oh Lord. Didn't look quite as bad as the bad bad novel where Arthur gets Emily up the duff IIRC and then murders her, but pretty bad.

LOUIS PARSINELL, I REMEMBER THAT ONE.

give her a lover (of either sex) formed by her own imagination

I thought this was what people were doing with that Captive poem anyway! ("He comes with western winds, with evening's wandering airs....") But I guess not anymore. Emily was the one who wrote "Love I laugh to scorn." She didn't seem to need much social contact. Anne wasn't that into Romance much either. Charlotte was the Romantic one.

Date: 2022-08-16 10:10 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
goes for the child abuse angle and has Patrick molesting and raping Emily (and Branwell), with the author earnestly assuring us in the afterword she thinks that's a plausible theory because going by the number of kids Patrick had with his wife and by his failed attempts to remarry, Patrick must have liked sex, and when he couldn't get any legally and going to prostitutes was out for a Reverend in Haworth, incesteous child rape it was

//turns green

As Dorothy Parker once said re a similar acccusation about Elizabeth Bartlett's father, he was terrible all by himself, you don't need to make him terrible with raisins in it.

LOL I kind of like Anne as a Fury! if nothing because it's so OOC. "You stole MY idea!" "You can't steal an idea!" "You so can and you stole mine!" &c &c

Oh yes that biography wasn't half bad but it sure made a lot of hay from a couple of blades of grass as my dad used to say. Byron was obviously the big influence in that house but Shelley....?? From what I remember the biographer got very excited at the address of "Emilia" (one of Shelley's teenaged loves) as "Emily".

To me Emily was clearly just one of those people who lived in her head, and it maddens people who buy into the author as reporter or the author as transforming only Lived Experience.

I think one is always in love with something or other; the error, and I confess it is not easy for spirits cased in flesh and blood to avoid it, consists in seeking in a mortal image the likeness of what is, perhaps, eternal -- Shelley on his own poem

Date: 2022-08-19 09:39 pm (UTC)
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
I thought about defending Patrick, but then I thought, "Nah, Selena's got this." And as it was foretold, so it has come to pass. ;)

Date: 2022-08-18 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kat_in_scary
The whole movie plot sounds like this book here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7089794-emily-s-ghost?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=SQyL13b1oy&rank=1 which I read when i first become interested in the Brontes. It was very bad.

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