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In which one does not simply go into the Southlands. Or leave it. Also, the Dwarves and the Harfoots are back.



And I'm glad, as the show got me really invested into those storylines and characters. Durin/Elrond/Disa OT3, I say. But seriously, there was so much meaty stuff not just re: the friendship between Elrond and Durin (IV), but for Durin's and Disa's marriage. I love that Disa isn't just supportive of Durin (and friendly with Elrond), she has her own clear ideas about how the kingdom should be run, and wants her and Durin to do it. Ambitious female characters who aren't villainous or pressed into leadership positions by external circumstances are still very rare. And her anger! The smithing while she's angry! Truly, Disa is a Queen. Lots of good stuff for Elrond, too, not just re: his fondness for Durin, but also his diplomatic smarts and indication of a perspective on the Elves which isn't "jiust" from the inside but also from the outside. In the season opener, there was a brief hint that Elrond's hybrid status means he's not at the original meeting, but in this episode it was the first time Elrond himself brought up the fact he's half human. He did so to convince Durin III, but I didn't have the impression he was lying with what he said.

As for the Harfoots, the Stranger/Surely Gandalf attempting to help the Harfoots and seemingly failng, with only the next day showing he did in fact succeed, Nori giving him an apple on the way despite her new fear/distrust and then later her decision to go after him, with Poppy and Nori's mother signing up and the Trailfinder being drafted were all like a lovely hurt/comfort fic. Now I hope they reunite in the finale, because I need another hug and don't want to wait a year. (Or however long it takes for the next season to arrive.) The white priestesses or whatever they are menacing the Harfoots were truly creepy, with the kind of casual, pointless destructiveness that is always extra chilling to me because it happens so often in rl without the fantasy gear.

Meanwhile, where the Shadows lie: Galadriel and Theo were an unexpected and very effective character combination. Helping one person - not a big cause, not a potential King, just a being in distress in the middle of the apocalypse whom no one else at this moment could pay attention to - was, I suspect, what Galadriel needed both to get out of her own shock in the short term and to start (just to start) dealing with her inner darkness in the long term, as Theo's wish to kill Orcs was clearly meant to echo Galadriel's from last week, and her reply was aimed at both of them. And hey, she even told him about Celeborn, thus establishng that yes, he does exist in this version, and yes, they're married already, while providing an explanation for his absence (she believes him to be dead, just as Elendil now thinks Isildur is dead, meaning they're both alive, if not necessarily well). BTW, because it's been so many years since my last LotR (and appendices) reading, I'm not sure, but, re: the backstory - Celeborn seeing Galadriel first when she's dancing - wasn't that Beren and Luthien in the book? Am amused at Theo's scepticism re: Galadriel and dancing. Conversely, Theo's reunion with Bronwyn and Arondir by the end was lovely. Miriel having gone blind, Elendi's guilt and wish he'd never helped Galadriel out of the sea, and then Galadriel's kneeling before Miriel with Miriel turning out to be not accusatory or crushed but resolved and the two women taking strength from each other was all excellent fanfiction in the best way.

Is Halbrand Sauron indication of the week: being found en route with a wound. Note that no one saw him actually getting hurt, or what exactly he was doing after the volcano eruption.

The Southlands/Mordoer switch in the titles at the end was superflous, we got the point already, scriptwriters. Weary Adar enjoying his moment of Orc homeland providing was earned, from his pov, but won't last, as Sauron, whoever he is, will presumably screw him over soon.

Date: 2022-10-08 01:23 pm (UTC)
chelseagirl: Alice -- Tenniel (Default)
From: [personal profile] chelseagirl
Since the name Sauron is already being bandied about, that means Halbrand is using the Numenorians as transportation? Has he got a concealed Palantir to convey orders to Adar or something? I think he'll wind up evil/corrupted/whatever, but I just don't see it.

We were watching this morning and I said to M, this is giving me what teenage me longed for: lots of women in active roles: warrior Galadriel, Miriel, Disa, Bronwyn, Nori and the other Harfoots who've just signed up, . Growing up loving the books way before the Jackson films, I only had Galadriel in her wise elven queen later mode, and Eowyn, who came along kinda late. My fictional/filmic crushes may be male, but I cheer for the women.

Date: 2022-10-08 05:34 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Oh man, having even half the women in the series around when I was reading the books as a kid would have been amazing.

Date: 2022-10-09 12:01 pm (UTC)
chelseagirl: Alice -- Tenniel (Default)
From: [personal profile] chelseagirl
You've probably heard me saythis before, but reading the books long before the movies, I willfully imagined Merry as female. The name felt like it could be, and I needed there to be a girl in the Fellowship. And why couldn't a girl do all those things? I mean obviously, we could! Later on I found I wasn't the only one who'd done the same.
Edited Date: 2022-10-09 12:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2022-10-09 12:02 pm (UTC)
chelseagirl: Alice -- Tenniel (Default)
From: [personal profile] chelseagirl
Absolutely! One of my friends is distressed by how often Galadriel makes mistakes in this, but to me it makes sense that her later wisdom comes from experience.

Also, Disa! I would not mess with her!
Edited Date: 2022-10-09 12:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2022-10-08 05:35 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I watched this twice to cheer myself up after some nasty post-vaxx side effects, and you are exacty right, it's fanficcy in the best way.

Date: 2022-10-08 08:49 pm (UTC)
musesfool: a sword (honour demands it)
From: [personal profile] musesfool
Durin and Disa are so great! And Miriel and Galadriel! Poppy and Nori! <333

Both Isildur and Celeborn have to be alive, but I'll be interested in seeing how they show back up again, though I suspect Isildur will be found by his horse.

I still think the lead lady in white is Sauron, but I guess we'll see!

Date: 2022-10-09 12:03 pm (UTC)
chelseagirl: Alice -- Tenniel (Default)
From: [personal profile] chelseagirl
Oooh, that's a cool theory!

Date: 2022-10-10 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avrelia
I think I am exactly the target audience for the Rings of Power. I read LOTR a bit late - when I was able to read in English, and was awed and impressed but not in love. I loved the LOTR movies just enough to have good time to watch them several times, but not enough to be in fandom, or look for differences between it and the books. I've never read Silmarillion and the rest of it, beside Hobbit. So I am watching it with understanding that it is a fanfic, but I am enjoying it much more than the Hobbit trilogy.

This Galadriel has grown on me very much, and I can an interesting character arc in store for her - connecting this weary warrior to a wise queen we know later. And Celeborn bit was done great, I think. Otherwise, his absence was giving more questions. Now we know, he'll be back.

I absolutely love every moment of Disa. And her casual angry smithing, and her humor, and her regal bearing. And I don't care whether she has a beard or not. And elvish hair fashion is beyond my concerns.

And yes, the pacing issues, and show not being subtle... I am fine somehow. I am watching with kids, and it was nice for us all to get this Mordor title card.

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