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Something I didn't mention in my Dark Knight review: the casting for minor roles gave me all kind of crazy crossover ideas. As in: OMG Richard from Lost is the mayor of Gotham! (Complete with eyeliner.) Did the island arrange that? Does Ben know? (Probably.) Or: waiiiiit - isn't that, yes it is, Daniel Holtz, currently employed among Gotham's finest, it seems. And ZOMG! Eric Roberts! Clearly, the Company is everywhere. (We do not speak of Roberts' role in another cult series.)
Some Battlestar Galactica links:
Six versus Eight versus Identity: fantastic meta on the two most prominent Cylon models - focus on Caprica Six and Athena, but the other versions are much taken into consideration as well. Very insightful.
And fanfiction: A comforting lie, post-Revelations Gaeta/Baltar, great characterisation of both parties.
Which brings me to BSG and slash and how there aren't many combinations I can actually see having sex, whereas I can see while a lot of subtext and/or emotional same-sex involvement. Take Saul Tigh and Bill Adama.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
queenofthorns once called this the big love story of BSG and I think she was only semi-joking. She may be right. But I can't see them having sex at any point of their decades together, or now, because I seriously don't think that's what they want from each other.
And then we have Starbuck, who back in the first season was cited as a prime character to turn straight girls gay. Within the BSGverse, however, it wasn't until the second season and Resurrection Ship I that I first saw slashy vibes in a scene involving Kara and another woman, and then it was a mixture between maternal and sexual, actually, with Admiral Cain. Emphasis on the maternal, though; Kara, still on the lookout to appease a dead woman, really latched on to this, and being Kara, i.e. burdened with the idea that people who have sex with her clearly must be less admirable than she used to think, wouldn't have gone for a sexual encounter as long as she had the hero worship going on. (Which she did, despite Adama's order and Cain's less than admirable actions there; just check out her eulogy for Cain.)
Speaking of the Pegasus episodes, back then I saw someone suggest Helo/Tyrol, based on their shared situation, love for Sharon, etc., but again, got no sexual vibe. Same for Helo/any of the other guys, and Tyrol/any one else, for that matter. With Lee, I could and still can see something with Zarek, both subtextually and textually, because they have the requisite vibe in all of their scenes and Zarek has had an ironic courtship attitude towards Lee from the get-go, but anyone else/Adama Junior, nah. Which leaves Felix Gaeta and his gigantic season 1 crush on Gaius Baltar which turns to disappointed love and passionate hate pretty much textually. In s1 and 2, this seemed completely one sided to me, which is always a turn-off (I'm not interested in pairings, be they slash or het, where both sides aren't emotionally invested), but starting with the scene in Exodus II and Baltar's reaction to Gaeta pulling a gun at him, I thought, hmmm. Certain scenes in s3 and one particular scene in s4 cemented the impression that our Gaius, as much as he can in his self-centered way, regarded Gaeta as a bit more than a useful sidekick, hence my reading the occasional fanfic.
Footnote: and then there are the Cylons, who are textually bisexual. Well, the Sixes and D'Anna are, and if you take podcasts into account, then Ron & Co. are working from the assumption that pretty much any possible combination between models has been tried. Now one can justly complain that we've yet to see, say, Leoben/Doral, but given certain m/f precedents, you can bet the first on screen Cylon male/male action will involve Cavil. Don't say I didn't warn you. Still, Cavil and Leoben are the only male models who have been given enough characterisation by the show for authors to work with - the Dorals and Simons pretty much are background in every scene they are in, if they show up at all - so I'm not surprised neither show or fanfic comes up with this. (Although: the cynical atheist and the ultimate mystic. Fanfic has worked with less reasons.) Meanwhile, there definitely should be more Three/any Six, but what I really want right now is Three continuing to play mind games with Laura Roslin. Way more interesting than her scenes with Adama.
Some Battlestar Galactica links:
Six versus Eight versus Identity: fantastic meta on the two most prominent Cylon models - focus on Caprica Six and Athena, but the other versions are much taken into consideration as well. Very insightful.
And fanfiction: A comforting lie, post-Revelations Gaeta/Baltar, great characterisation of both parties.
Which brings me to BSG and slash and how there aren't many combinations I can actually see having sex, whereas I can see while a lot of subtext and/or emotional same-sex involvement. Take Saul Tigh and Bill Adama.
queenofthorns once called this the big love story of BSG and I think she was only semi-joking. She may be right. But I can't see them having sex at any point of their decades together, or now, because I seriously don't think that's what they want from each other. And then we have Starbuck, who back in the first season was cited as a prime character to turn straight girls gay. Within the BSGverse, however, it wasn't until the second season and Resurrection Ship I that I first saw slashy vibes in a scene involving Kara and another woman, and then it was a mixture between maternal and sexual, actually, with Admiral Cain. Emphasis on the maternal, though; Kara, still on the lookout to appease a dead woman, really latched on to this, and being Kara, i.e. burdened with the idea that people who have sex with her clearly must be less admirable than she used to think, wouldn't have gone for a sexual encounter as long as she had the hero worship going on. (Which she did, despite Adama's order and Cain's less than admirable actions there; just check out her eulogy for Cain.)
Speaking of the Pegasus episodes, back then I saw someone suggest Helo/Tyrol, based on their shared situation, love for Sharon, etc., but again, got no sexual vibe. Same for Helo/any of the other guys, and Tyrol/any one else, for that matter. With Lee, I could and still can see something with Zarek, both subtextually and textually, because they have the requisite vibe in all of their scenes and Zarek has had an ironic courtship attitude towards Lee from the get-go, but anyone else/Adama Junior, nah. Which leaves Felix Gaeta and his gigantic season 1 crush on Gaius Baltar which turns to disappointed love and passionate hate pretty much textually. In s1 and 2, this seemed completely one sided to me, which is always a turn-off (I'm not interested in pairings, be they slash or het, where both sides aren't emotionally invested), but starting with the scene in Exodus II and Baltar's reaction to Gaeta pulling a gun at him, I thought, hmmm. Certain scenes in s3 and one particular scene in s4 cemented the impression that our Gaius, as much as he can in his self-centered way, regarded Gaeta as a bit more than a useful sidekick, hence my reading the occasional fanfic.
Footnote: and then there are the Cylons, who are textually bisexual. Well, the Sixes and D'Anna are, and if you take podcasts into account, then Ron & Co. are working from the assumption that pretty much any possible combination between models has been tried. Now one can justly complain that we've yet to see, say, Leoben/Doral, but given certain m/f precedents, you can bet the first on screen Cylon male/male action will involve Cavil. Don't say I didn't warn you. Still, Cavil and Leoben are the only male models who have been given enough characterisation by the show for authors to work with - the Dorals and Simons pretty much are background in every scene they are in, if they show up at all - so I'm not surprised neither show or fanfic comes up with this. (Although: the cynical atheist and the ultimate mystic. Fanfic has worked with less reasons.) Meanwhile, there definitely should be more Three/any Six, but what I really want right now is Three continuing to play mind games with Laura Roslin. Way more interesting than her scenes with Adama.
