Fannish Five
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fannish5: Name five times that a character you dislike did something right.
This is far more difficult than the "five examples of a character you like doing something wrong" thing, not least because there are very few characters I genuinenly dislike, and also because something obvious like "Babylon 5: Byron died in "Phoenix Rising"!" would be cheating. (Besides, instigating mass suicide isn't doing something right, so, not a good example in either case.) Moreover, I see dislike as something other than "love to hate"; and I have to sort out characters I like well enough on screen and am just irritated by in some of their reflections in fanfic.
With this in mind, here's what I could come up with:
1) Alias: Michael Vaughn's actions as Sydney's handler in season 1. (Vaughn is a borderline case. I am indifferent to him in s1 and 2, actively dislike him in s3, briefly like him in the first half of s4 and am very grateful he's not, ahem, much present in s5. But there's no denying that he was good for Sydney in s1, calm in the storm, etc.)
2) Babylon 5: Lorien's talk with Ivanova when they're looking for more First Ones. I utterly loathe Lorien, who is a lazy deus ex machina not worthy of this show. But he was not just sufferable but actively charming in that one scene.
3) Star Trek: Voyager: Chakotay deals with Janeway going hardcore and a timeline creating and destroying maniac in "Year of Hell". I never hated Chakotay, but I always found him extremely bland and rarely interesting, and often wished the screentime devoted to him would go elsewhere, so he qualifies for my dislike. But in the "Year of Hell" two parter, he actually managed to be sensible and balancing in extremely trying circumstances and in an interesting way.
4) Lost: Jack deduces Sawyer needs glasses and proceeds to ask him whether he caught veneral diseases from sex with prostitutes. Jack, like Chakotay and Vaughn, is more a case of "I'm utterly indifferent" most of the time, but unlike those two, he's the closest thing Lost has to a leading man. Which means he's on screen quite a lot. Which leads to dislike. However, the afore mentioned scene with Sawyer in season 1 was funny.
5) The Merchant of Venice: Gratiano has the good taste to want Nerissa. Can't stand Gratiano. Never found him funny, never will. But I do like Nerissa, a lot, and as opposed to Portia, she doesn't have cash, so Gratiano's motives for proposing presumably really hail from herself.
...I think this would have been far easier if "character" could have meant "historical figure", but that would have been cheating as well....
fannish5: Name five times that a character you dislike did something right. This is far more difficult than the "five examples of a character you like doing something wrong" thing, not least because there are very few characters I genuinenly dislike, and also because something obvious like "Babylon 5: Byron died in "Phoenix Rising"!" would be cheating. (Besides, instigating mass suicide isn't doing something right, so, not a good example in either case.) Moreover, I see dislike as something other than "love to hate"; and I have to sort out characters I like well enough on screen and am just irritated by in some of their reflections in fanfic.
With this in mind, here's what I could come up with:
1) Alias: Michael Vaughn's actions as Sydney's handler in season 1. (Vaughn is a borderline case. I am indifferent to him in s1 and 2, actively dislike him in s3, briefly like him in the first half of s4 and am very grateful he's not, ahem, much present in s5. But there's no denying that he was good for Sydney in s1, calm in the storm, etc.)
2) Babylon 5: Lorien's talk with Ivanova when they're looking for more First Ones. I utterly loathe Lorien, who is a lazy deus ex machina not worthy of this show. But he was not just sufferable but actively charming in that one scene.
3) Star Trek: Voyager: Chakotay deals with Janeway going hardcore and a timeline creating and destroying maniac in "Year of Hell". I never hated Chakotay, but I always found him extremely bland and rarely interesting, and often wished the screentime devoted to him would go elsewhere, so he qualifies for my dislike. But in the "Year of Hell" two parter, he actually managed to be sensible and balancing in extremely trying circumstances and in an interesting way.
4) Lost: Jack deduces Sawyer needs glasses and proceeds to ask him whether he caught veneral diseases from sex with prostitutes. Jack, like Chakotay and Vaughn, is more a case of "I'm utterly indifferent" most of the time, but unlike those two, he's the closest thing Lost has to a leading man. Which means he's on screen quite a lot. Which leads to dislike. However, the afore mentioned scene with Sawyer in season 1 was funny.
5) The Merchant of Venice: Gratiano has the good taste to want Nerissa. Can't stand Gratiano. Never found him funny, never will. But I do like Nerissa, a lot, and as opposed to Portia, she doesn't have cash, so Gratiano's motives for proposing presumably really hail from herself.
...I think this would have been far easier if "character" could have meant "historical figure", but that would have been cheating as well....
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Date: 2006-12-15 06:59 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-12-15 09:58 pm (UTC)Actually, I'd really like to see this, especially from you. Would you consider meme-ing it?
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Date: 2006-12-16 08:38 am (UTC)1) Henry VIII: wrote Greensleeves. I like his other songs, too.
2) Mary Stuart: kept her head and displayed admirable courage when Rizzio was murdered right on front of her, making Darnley switch sides.
3) Augustus: did actually quite a lot of things right, but to pick one: he reformed Rome's public revenue system, which was definitely necessary.
4) Henry III: was touchingly devoted to his deaf-mute daughter Katherine, which was anything but common in the middle ages.
5) Heinrich VI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VI%2C_Holy_Roman_Emperor): wrote a memorable poem for the Manesse Handschrift.
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Date: 2006-12-18 01:41 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-12-18 02:53 pm (UTC)http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1012145/a/All+Goodly+Sports+-+Complete+Music+of+Henry+VIII+%2F+Sirinu.htm
http://www.solarhaven.org/henry8.htm