So, the Heroes actors do podcast commentaries for the episodes. Which I, as a non-American, can't get at, but thankfully there are kind fellow fans who do transcriptions. The commentary for the most recent episode, Landslide, was done by Masi Oka, George Takei and Matthew John Armstrong (Ted), and a transcript is here.
Some of the highlights from the commentary:
(scene shows Nathan's office)
M: 'Cause that's a nice office…!
G: It's a bit… uh…. *smiling* for my tastes, flamboyant.
M: For *YOUR* tastes, flamboyant?
G: Peach!
M: Peach.
G: Can you imagine me living in a house with peach walls?
M: *one eyebrow lilts thoughtfully* No, I guess not. No, I agree.
G: You have to be very imaginative to come up with that.
*looking at Malcolm McDowell* I love this performance…
M: Malcolm McDowell is so…
G: He's so wonderful.
M: His performance is so amazing. And so is Adrian's.
G: Yes, Adrian too. I mean, what a duo here.
A: Adrian's actually the last one… I don't think… I've met Adrian.
M: Oh really?
A: He's like the last one in the cast that I haven't met.
G: He is shockingly skinny. I met him in this tight shirt, and… I
couldn't believe… he existed.
*all laugh*
M: He's such a generous person and actor. It's just completely amazing.
A: Yea, it's great.
M: I actually got to hang with him when I was in New York last week.
A: Oh yea?
M: We had some crazy adventures. We actually went to Times Square to recreate…
A: Oh the scene?
M: my Yatta thing.
A: Oh, did he do it, too? Did he spin?
M: Yea, well, he actually too the camera and spun around me and had me
spin in the other direction.
G: Oh, he shot it?
M: Yea
A: He didn't play you though? I mean, I'm sure… people do go to Times
Square and do that.
M: Yea! I think that's what happens. People didn't think it was me.
"Oh, just some crazy tourist pretending to be Hiro again."
A: Right.
M: But little did they know…
G: You can go and do that again, unrecognized.
M: It was really me.
Let me say here: I want that footage of Masi reenacting the Yatta with Adrian on the Heroes DVD extras. Please?
And now for the commentary of the scene which makes me cry, and in which we learn about Japanese in-jokes:
G: From a street in downtown LA to the back of the Paramount lot.
A: Those are my old stomping grounds.
M: Yes. Of course, that's the stage, you were telling us…
G: Mm hm.
M: Where you caught on fire. (!!!)
G: That's right. Yes and Bill Shatner…put it out!
M: (overlapping) Bill Shatner was the hero.
G: Yes, he was the hero.
M: Adrian Pasdar's so amazing to work with, I… Every time I get a
chance to work with him…
G: You know, when you say this, when you say "Nei-san"
M: Yea I know it's like…
M&G: Big Sister!
M: It's kind of like a little on purpose. Nei-san Nii-san.
A: The stuff with you guys, too. I love watching you and Adrian.
M: Yeah I love… every time we work together it's amazing.
G: I thought you were suggesting something else by calling him Nei-san.
M: Ahhhh! *both laugh*
G: *to A* It's an "in" Japanese joke.
M: I love… Adrian's choice here… when he uh… opens up
G: Oh when he whispers?
M: Yea, when he whispers and opens up. I just loved that.
G: Yes, it's beautifully done, and then *waves* it's the politician
again. He's a very very
M: powerful
G: a very subtle actor.
M: *watching Hiro ask Nathan for help* Ah, hopeful, hopeful, hopeful, …hopeful… he says ‘I’m sorry’, comes in.
A: Crushed
M: I love that!
G: Yes, and the camera coming in so close to his face…
M: So sad…
G: And then… *snaps*
M: That smile. Ugh. We were both tearing up, I remember, when we were doing it. Aw, so sad.
G: You know, I saw the drop of tear in your eyes.
A: You know, it's interesting… the sort of softer moments with him
come when he's working with you. Like, that character,
M: it's cool
A: with Hiro, you know?
M: That's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other.
Firstly, I am not going to say anything about what Hiro's pronounciation of Nathan's name means in Japanese. No, I am going to be a serious fan here, me. In the last days, I've seen people describe Nathan's answer to Hiro the way Ando does it later, Nathan being a jerk. It's not like I saw it, but then I'm prejudiced, so consider me smug and touched by Masi's description, that Nathan "opens up" to Hiro when says "I'm sorry, Hiro. I can't stop it. Nobody can"; he's not lying or taunting, and that's the saddest thing about it, at this point he believes what he says and it's killing him.
Suddenly, my most urgent question isn't "will Nathan survive" or "will Nathan survive and be semi-redeemed" anymore, but "will Nathan and Hiro have a moment of reconnection before the damm hiatus comes?" Masi saying "that's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other" in present tense instead of past tense gives me some hope there. I'm a sad fangirl, what can I say?
*goes back to reading transcript*
Some of the highlights from the commentary:
(scene shows Nathan's office)
M: 'Cause that's a nice office…!
G: It's a bit… uh…. *smiling* for my tastes, flamboyant.
M: For *YOUR* tastes, flamboyant?
G: Peach!
M: Peach.
G: Can you imagine me living in a house with peach walls?
M: *one eyebrow lilts thoughtfully* No, I guess not. No, I agree.
G: You have to be very imaginative to come up with that.
*looking at Malcolm McDowell* I love this performance…
M: Malcolm McDowell is so…
G: He's so wonderful.
M: His performance is so amazing. And so is Adrian's.
G: Yes, Adrian too. I mean, what a duo here.
A: Adrian's actually the last one… I don't think… I've met Adrian.
M: Oh really?
A: He's like the last one in the cast that I haven't met.
G: He is shockingly skinny. I met him in this tight shirt, and… I
couldn't believe… he existed.
*all laugh*
M: He's such a generous person and actor. It's just completely amazing.
A: Yea, it's great.
M: I actually got to hang with him when I was in New York last week.
A: Oh yea?
M: We had some crazy adventures. We actually went to Times Square to recreate…
A: Oh the scene?
M: my Yatta thing.
A: Oh, did he do it, too? Did he spin?
M: Yea, well, he actually too the camera and spun around me and had me
spin in the other direction.
G: Oh, he shot it?
M: Yea
A: He didn't play you though? I mean, I'm sure… people do go to Times
Square and do that.
M: Yea! I think that's what happens. People didn't think it was me.
"Oh, just some crazy tourist pretending to be Hiro again."
A: Right.
M: But little did they know…
G: You can go and do that again, unrecognized.
M: It was really me.
Let me say here: I want that footage of Masi reenacting the Yatta with Adrian on the Heroes DVD extras. Please?
And now for the commentary of the scene which makes me cry, and in which we learn about Japanese in-jokes:
G: From a street in downtown LA to the back of the Paramount lot.
A: Those are my old stomping grounds.
M: Yes. Of course, that's the stage, you were telling us…
G: Mm hm.
M: Where you caught on fire. (!!!)
G: That's right. Yes and Bill Shatner…put it out!
M: (overlapping) Bill Shatner was the hero.
G: Yes, he was the hero.
M: Adrian Pasdar's so amazing to work with, I… Every time I get a
chance to work with him…
G: You know, when you say this, when you say "Nei-san"
M: Yea I know it's like…
M&G: Big Sister!
M: It's kind of like a little on purpose. Nei-san Nii-san.
A: The stuff with you guys, too. I love watching you and Adrian.
M: Yeah I love… every time we work together it's amazing.
G: I thought you were suggesting something else by calling him Nei-san.
M: Ahhhh! *both laugh*
G: *to A* It's an "in" Japanese joke.
M: I love… Adrian's choice here… when he uh… opens up
G: Oh when he whispers?
M: Yea, when he whispers and opens up. I just loved that.
G: Yes, it's beautifully done, and then *waves* it's the politician
again. He's a very very
M: powerful
G: a very subtle actor.
M: *watching Hiro ask Nathan for help* Ah, hopeful, hopeful, hopeful, …hopeful… he says ‘I’m sorry’, comes in.
A: Crushed
M: I love that!
G: Yes, and the camera coming in so close to his face…
M: So sad…
G: And then… *snaps*
M: That smile. Ugh. We were both tearing up, I remember, when we were doing it. Aw, so sad.
G: You know, I saw the drop of tear in your eyes.
A: You know, it's interesting… the sort of softer moments with him
come when he's working with you. Like, that character,
M: it's cool
A: with Hiro, you know?
M: That's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other.
Firstly, I am not going to say anything about what Hiro's pronounciation of Nathan's name means in Japanese. No, I am going to be a serious fan here, me. In the last days, I've seen people describe Nathan's answer to Hiro the way Ando does it later, Nathan being a jerk. It's not like I saw it, but then I'm prejudiced, so consider me smug and touched by Masi's description, that Nathan "opens up" to Hiro when says "I'm sorry, Hiro. I can't stop it. Nobody can"; he's not lying or taunting, and that's the saddest thing about it, at this point he believes what he says and it's killing him.
Suddenly, my most urgent question isn't "will Nathan survive" or "will Nathan survive and be semi-redeemed" anymore, but "will Nathan and Hiro have a moment of reconnection before the damm hiatus comes?" Masi saying "that's what I love about that relationship; that they can open up to each other" in present tense instead of past tense gives me some hope there. I'm a sad fangirl, what can I say?
*goes back to reading transcript*
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Date: 2007-05-18 02:18 pm (UTC)M: Yea I know it's like…
M&G: Big Sister!
M: It's kind of like a little on purpose. Nei-san Nii-san.
This cracks me up, because I heard it (have been an anime fan for... um... well, quite a while, and know a good bit of Japanese from it) and thought 'he's got to be doing that on purpose!'. Now I know he was! *giggles*
And we both saw the same thing in Nathan's bit with Hiro, and I am dancing for joy to see it wasn't just us!
Where do they have these podcasts?
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:27 pm (UTC)And we both saw the same thing in Nathan's bit with Hiro, and I am dancing for joy to see it wasn't just us!
It's so nice to have the actors at one's side of the interpretation.*g*
Not being an anime fan, my few Japanese words are derived from watching the tv version of Shogun, and so I had no idea. But it cracks me up as well. &heart; the adorkable Masi!
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Date: 2007-05-18 02:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-18 02:46 pm (UTC)Which, of course, is pronounced identically to Nathan Petrelli. :-)
(BTW, uber_japanese geek here: technically it is neesan, not neisan. In Japanese, double e and ei are really, really similar, and I can see the point to romanizing it neisan because neesan would be pronounced by your average English speaker as the same as "knee san" (or, ironically, "niisan", elder brother), but it *is* technically two e's, not ei.)
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Date: 2007-05-18 02:51 pm (UTC)Of course, if Nathan ever found out about "nee-san", he would probably think Hiro was implying something about his manhood...
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-18 03:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-18 03:24 pm (UTC)M: Yea I know it's like…
M&G: Big Sister!
Oh. Bwah! Now I get what they meant! (Someone I know was nice enough to put up the audio of the commentary, in case you want it...)
In the last days, I've seen people describe Nathan's answer to Hiro the way Ando does it later, Nathan being a jerk. It's not like I saw it, but then I'm prejudiced, so consider me smug and touched by Masi's description, that Nathan "opens up" to Hiro when says "I'm sorry, Hiro. I can't stop it. Nobody can"; he's not lying or taunting, and that's the saddest thing about it, at this point he believes what he says and it's killing him.
While I do agree with you - and Masi - in the interpretation of what is going on in this scene, I can also see where the "jerk" people are coming from: I think the choice of having Nathan whisper the last sentence in Hiro's ear is a very unusual one, since that normally implies either a threat or something intimate. The thing is, it is in a way intimate, since physical closeness usually does imply emotional closeness for Nathan, so by doing this he is definitely treating Hiro as a friend, and he is telling him something he is personally terrified by (because I think from his conversations with Linderman and his mother and Thompson in the last episode it is clear that he is not happy with this, but also that he thinks that he can't do anything against it). Intimacy, however, is something we usually don't see between (platonic) friends on TV shows, as far as my experience goes, so this might come off as strange. I guess. I know that it was odd for me while I was seeing it, and I expected him to say something completely different, and in a completely different tone of voice at that.
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:40 pm (UTC)Pretty please?
The scene: is definitely very intimate, arguably the most intimate yet between them, which adds to the tragic aspect, and okay, I can see what you mean, but otoh if a viewer followed the show so far, he/she'd know that Nathan does this kind of thing all the time with Peter (and Peter with him), though not with anyone else. (When Mohinder touches him on the shoulder in The Fix, Nathan very quickly steps away.) The combination of verbal rejection and physical closeness, I mean, i.e. two directly contrasting messages. Examples between Nathan and Peter would start as early as the pilot, when Nathan tells Peter the whole flying talk is crazy and the nurse job isn't going anywhere, either while simultanously giving him a shoulder massage. And Peter does it when delivering his "so how about I go out on the terrace and we give the reporter really something to report about" taunt (he simultanously puts his arms around Nathan's neck and shoulder and starts massaging, I mean). So it's definitely an established, if screwed up Petrelli trait, and Nathan is using the family language here with Hiro, only nobody told poor Hiro that or gave him a dictionary first!
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:51 pm (UTC)I can see what you mean, but otoh if a viewer followed the show so far, he/she'd know that Nathan does this kind of thing all the time with Peter (and Peter with him), though not with anyone else.
I know. I can't explain it any other way than saying that some people simply don't pay much attention to what's going on. I mean, there are enough viewers who still think that Nathan hasn't done one thing for Peter. I see that rather differently, but...*raises hands in frustration*
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:02 pm (UTC)I have stopped reading the message boards for that reason. Will again after the finale, I suppose, but right now, it would frustrate me too much.
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:32 pm (UTC)Oh, believe me, it's for the best. Where Nathan is considered, people are either believing he is now finally evil (again, some more), or, if they like him, they are howling in fear that he might go for noble redemptive exit next week.
As a tangent of that, people are rediscovering the dreaded flies-exploding-Peter-into-the-heavens-dies-fierily-while-saving-NY solution every single day, and every single one think they are the first to come up with this idea and that it is something like the most original plot twist ever. Really, I didn't know there were so many people who still haven't watched Return of the Jedi.
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:42 pm (UTC)(And far from my worst case scenario - my worst case scenario is the Gul Dukat/Irina Derevko one, because I absolutely hate it when ambigious characters get into the moustache twirling villain category.)
But, yeah. No more message boards until the finale has been broadcast. I'm very hard trying to resist watching the teaser clips as well...
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:55 pm (UTC)I agree, that's why every new post where someone postulates this idea really surprises me, but maybe we are thinking too much from a sci-fi/comic book fan angle, and these guys are really not too familiar with these plots, or they simply don't think in tropes. And there might also be those fans who think Nathan is evil and wouldn't come up with the idea that they actually might try to redeem him - which I am pretty convinced of.
(And far from my worst case scenario - my worst case scenario is the Gul Dukat/Irina Derevko one, because I absolutely hate it when ambigious characters get into the moustache twirling villain category.)
I don't think that is going to happen, simply because that niche seems already occupied by Angela. I am to a certain degree disappointed about that, mainly because I'm finding most of the female Heroes characters not all that compellingly strong (Claire and Audrey certainly being an exception; Candice might get there, and Niki can certainly be excused for her condition, although I do admittedly have some problems with the way it is presented) and having the woman that interests me most turned into an evil witch is a bit of a downer. I'd rather have it be her than Nathan, certainly, but I also want her to survive the season, to go on and manipulate for years to come.
I'm very hard trying to resist watching the teaser clips as well...
I was weak, but I'll keep my knowledge secret. *looks determined*
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Date: 2007-05-18 05:09 pm (UTC)Good point. After years in the Jossverse, one forgets mainstream audiences are different.
Angela: I know what you mean, especially considering the gender divisions with interesting characterisations in this show... but in her case, I'm pretty sure she'll make it into the next season, and as the next season is going to have a "Generations" theme, we'll find out about the why and wherefore of her current state. After all, Darth Vader in A New Hope is literary a black villain, if you take that film by itself, and it was his introduction.*g*
Also, I love Livia in I, Claudius, who is definitely a villain but also the smartest person on the show (and the book it is based on), and given depth and multi dimensionality, and the most amazing thing is that after we've seen her being absolutely ruthless and terrible towards a great part of the likeable characters of the story, we do believe her when she says "I did it for Rome" - , and that when she dies, we feel for her, instead of cheering her demise. (It helps that there is a dastardly new villain in the form of young Caligula around, of course, but still. Livia manages to convince Claudius, who has hated and feared her for all his life for good reasons, to make her a goddess once he has the power to do so in order not to suffer the torments of Tartarus for too long, and the audience wants him to do it! After having watched her poison or ruin everyone in her way. It's amazing and wonderful to behold. So currently, I see Angela like that - and believe like Livia, she'll be with us for years to come.
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Date: 2007-05-19 10:47 am (UTC)I hope you are right.
Also, I love Livia in I, Claudiuswho is definitely a villain but also the smartest person on the show (and the book it is based on)
Oh, I've heard good things of her (and the show, and the book). I wanted to watch/read I, Claudius at some point, anyway, maybe that's a project for the hiatus. (I'm also interested in the rough time period as a background for fiction, but haven't found anything of interest there lately. I wasn't all that enamoured with Rome, for instance.)
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:41 pm (UTC)I also really love that Masi actually mentions that Nathan taught Hiro how to even say the word villain. I wasn't sure if that was a deliberate touch or not.
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:51 pm (UTC)Once we all have our inevitable finale and post finale angst out of the way, someone needs to write that story, and/or a letter to TPTB suggesting such a scene!
Failing that, isn't Peter the type who'd have watched some animes and thus could figure it out if he hears Hiro talk to Nathan (if Hiro ever does again, sob), which would enable him to point it out to Nathan at an opportune moment?
I also really love that Masi actually mentions that Nathan taught Hiro how to even say the word villain. I wasn't sure if that was a deliberate touch or not.
Much love to the scriptwriters. And Nathan did that when they were both looking at Isaac's painting of the exploding man...
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:38 pm (UTC)Hmm, I'm not sure he's actually geeky enough for it. But he probably got roped into a few viewings with dormmates who didn't quite get that Peter's that nice to everyone.
Much love to the scriptwriters. And Nathan did that when they were both looking at Isaac's painting of the exploding man...
Yes! I got so used to assuming everything is a coincidence, that there's no way they would remember details well enough to capitalize on them, and the writers just keep surprising me!
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:38 pm (UTC)Hmm, I'm not sure he's actually geeky enough for it. But he probably got roped into a few viewings with dormmates who didn't quite get that Peter's that nice to everyone.
Much love to the scriptwriters. And Nathan did that when they were both looking at Isaac's painting of the exploding man...
Yes! I got so used to assuming everything is a coincidence, that there's no way they would remember details well enough to capitalize on them, and the writers just keep surprising me!
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:51 pm (UTC)And here I imagined Peter downloading new episodes of Dr. Who and initially noticing Claude in his vision because there's a strange resemblance to the Ninth Doctor.*g*
But he probably got roped into a few viewings with dormmates who didn't quite get that Peter's that nice to everyone.
I propose the following scenario for a comedy relief fanfic: Peter, Hiro, Nathan and HRG have to spent some hours together for whatever plot reason (hiding from someone, waiting for something, no idea, the point is, they can't leave), and Hiro suggests playing Dungeons and Dragons. (There is a set conveniently at hand.) Peter can vaguely recall how because he got roped in a few times at college into that, too. Nathan and HRG absolutely refuse at first. Then Hiro uses says "Nathan" again - only HRG who speaks Japanese notices something about the pronounciation - which guilts Nathan into complying - and Peter says something about Claire having told him that her bestest Dad ever used to play monopoly with her and Lyle all the time, so surely Bennet could... and Bennet gives in as well. At which point this whole thing gets really competitive!
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Date: 2007-05-19 04:06 am (UTC)Oh, Peter is definitely geek enough for Doctor Who. (And Buffy, SW, and possibly some Trek.) Subbed anime just takes it to a whole different level that he doesn't seem to be on, though.
I propose the following scenario for a comedy relief fanfic: Peter, Hiro, Nathan and HRG have to spent some hours together for whatever plot reason (hiding from someone, waiting for something, no idea, the point is, they can't leave), and Hiro suggests playing Dungeons and Dragons. (There is a set conveniently at hand.) Peter can vaguely recall how because he got roped in a few times at college into that, too. Nathan and HRG absolutely refuse at first. Then Hiro uses says "Nathan" again - only HRG who speaks Japanese notices something about the pronounciation - which guilts Nathan into complying - and Peter says something about Claire having told him that her bestest Dad ever used to play monopoly with her and Lyle all the time, so surely Bennet could... and Bennet gives in as well. At which point this whole thing gets really competitive!
Best D&D game ever! HRG and Nathan would keep "accidentally" injuring each other in battle, and claim that it's because they don't understand how the game works, even though they are got in before Hiro and Peter even got into the argument over which edition was better (well, not argument; Peter said wasn't there a weird THAC0 thingy that made things complicated, and Hiro got huffy over third edition removing it). And then the nasty backstabbing role playing that's for the good of the party, really.
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Date: 2007-05-19 04:20 am (UTC)Exactly.*g* And they'd pretend to be far too mature to do it for any other reason while coming up with even more hurtful injuries. And how long before they'd try to use Hiro and Peter in their ambushes?
Meanwhile:
Peter said wasn't there a weird THAC0 thingy that made things complicated, and Hiro got huffy over third edition removing it
And you know Hiro would explain at length why he was totally in the right. Switching to Japanese mid explanation and asking HRG to translate for him so he can get into the real subtleties!
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Date: 2007-05-19 09:13 am (UTC)Twenty minutes, because they'll spend all that time pretending they don't want to be playing at all and rolling their eyes at each other. And then one will take advantage of situation and it will be on. Retaliation with be subtle and via Hiro or Peter at first. By the end, they'll be throwing dice.
And you know Hiro would explain at length why he was totally in the right. Switching to Japanese mid explanation and asking HRG to translate for him so he can get into the real subtleties!
Peter would shrug and give in, because he's obviously so passionate about it, but would secretly think that the point of roleplaying is roleplaying and that all the math dilutes the experience.
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Date: 2007-05-19 10:58 am (UTC)*dies* This is utterly and completely how it will be. Now I want Peter's "Dear Diary" entry about this event.
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Date: 2007-05-18 03:55 pm (UTC)I noticed the "Nei-san" thing too--I wasn't sure if it was deliberate, though. That's just adorable.
I don't think Nathan was being a jerk (to Hiro, that is: I think he *was* displaying some questionable behavior in just letting the plan go ahead, and in his speech at the end you could tell that he *did* want this win. It's what he's been working for, and I love the fact that the writers remembered that Nathan is a *politician*).
But I can totally see why Hiro would think Nathan was taunting him, that he was a "Bad Guy." Because what Hiro hears is not, "You can't stop the bomb." What Hiro hears is, "Ando will die." And that just broke him.
Suddenly, my most urgent question isn't "will Nathan survive" or "will Nathan survive and be semi-redeemed" anymore, but "will Nathan and Hiro have a moment of reconnection before the damm hiatus comes?"
I'm actually anxious about getting a Peter/Nathan scene. They'e been so distant since Peter's last death (heh), and I NEED a scene with them in the finale. NEED.
I would also like to see Mohinder run into Peter and completely freak out over the fact that he's not dead.
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:12 pm (UTC)think he *was* displaying some questionable behavior in just letting the plan go ahead, and in his speech at the end you could tell that he *did* want this win. It's what he's been working for, and I love the fact that the writers remembered that Nathan is a *politician
Oh absolutely. Which is why he as something to be redeemed for - the right thing to do would have been to send that painting right back to Linderman, then try and contact the FBI again and tell them there was a potential bomb threat soon after the election. Whether or not they would have been listening is another matter, but that would have been the right thing to do, and he didn't, partly because ever since Peter told him he can't die anymore, he thinks he can have both, power and Peter (instead of an either/or choice which would have made it simple for him), and partly because he has begun to believe in the inevitability of fate.
(Incidentally, this is why I think if Nathan survives the season and doesn't end up as a villain, he'll have to sacrifice his career, at least his political career - he still has a job as an ADA, lest we forget - while believing he could be President otherwise. It's the only non-lethal redemptive gesture which would do the trick at this point, and what Hiro says might have prepared it; I also think this is why Hiro never finds out that Nathan in the future isn't Nathan but Sylar. If Nathan changes his mind because he knows he ends up as Sylar fodder, it's not something that redeems him. If he risks or gives up his career still convinced that if he keeps on the path his mother and Linderman advised, he could be President, otoh, then it reall ymeans something.)
I'm actually anxious about getting a Peter/Nathan scene. They'e been so distant since Peter's last death (heh), and I NEED a scene with them in the finale. NEED.
Well, naturally! But on that front, I'm pretty sure we'll get what we want, whereas I'm not sure whether there will be time for a scene with Nathan and Hiro. A Peter and Nathan scene (without other people around, I mean) is a necessity dictated by the storyarc, and since they like to mirror things on this show, I bet it'll be in parallel to the end of the pilot.
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Date: 2007-05-18 04:25 pm (UTC)I think this is really what is going to split the characters in the finale. Are they like Isaac, who died saying, "You can't stop the future"? Or are they like Claire, with her (wonderful) defiance of fate: "The future is NOT set in stone."?
Even the older generation seems divided on this, with Linderman and Mama Petrelli on the fatalistic side ("This bomb is going to go off.") and Nakamura Sr. on the other: "Evil must be stopped, Hiro."
Ultimately, I think we will be shown that the future CAN be changed, that nothing is inevitable, and I think the key will be Peter and Nathan, drawn between these two extremes, and realizing that *they* can change it--and I think Claire will be the reason why they reject fatalism and accept free will. Totally unspoiled spec, but I think that's how it's going to go down.
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Date: 2007-08-18 12:12 pm (UTC)This might be a bit late but if you haven't already seen it yet, Adrian posted the footage of Masi doing just that on his youtube account over here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hjvva4qpzE).
No sign of Adrian though. Just his voice.
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Date: 2007-08-18 05:08 pm (UTC)