Heroes 1.23 How to stop an exploding man

[selenak]

Let me tell you, staying spoiler free for that one was really tough, but I did it.




It had never occured to me before that Niki believed her superstrength was exclusively tied to Jessica. Which, you know, explains a lot. And makes it doubly good that she now knows this is not the case; also, that Jessica told her. I'm assuming that last, Jessica-free look in the mirror means Niki and Jessica integrated into one. Her whacking Sylar was a good sign for Niki being pro-active henceforth.

Matt: did not meet Audrey again, but I loved that he went after Sylar as a cop, not a superhero, and I don't think he's dead; I watch tv, after all. After his recovery, Matt can meet Josh from West Wing for chats about getting shot for the season finale.

Sylar: sadly left no dead body lying around, and as I said, I watch tv. This means he'll be back.

Bennet: continued to be his great self, and hopefully will now track down his wife and son along with Claire.

Hiro not willing to let his friend die foreshadows the ending, and ties into an earlier voiced conclusion of mine - that the conclusion from the Kensei story last episode is not "cut out your own heart" but "offer your own heart". Hiro bringing Ando back to Japan and Ando accepting it this time is very different from their goodbye in Unexpected; and they are each other's strength. Seriously, the thing that worries me most about Hiro being stuck in the past is that he won't have Ando with him! And he just lost a crucial bit of his innocence; no matter whether the guy does yet another Michael Myers and comes back, Hiro struck Sylar with intention to kill, and as far as he knows, killed him. In the best of causes, but still. This is Hiro. He'll have to deal with that in the Japan of the past alone. *hugs Hiro*

But you know which part touched me most. Oh, Petrellis.

You know, ever since finding out that the original pilot script ended with "I love you", I had an inkling that line would come again at the end of the season (along with the Peter-dreamt "I won't leave you" from Nathan). This episode's vision, that visit in the past with the late Charles Deveaux, was interesting on many levels. Among other things, I think it was a literal visit in the past, and that Peter used for the first time the time-jumping ability he absorbed from Hiro, but I'll get to the implication later. It gives us a rare glimpse at Angela interacting with someone she considers a peer, and confirms everyone's suspicions - i.e. that Deveaux was one of the old league of fallen heroes. It also shows they all knew or assumed the explosion would come. Incidentally, I'd like to point out that no one, not just Angela and Linderman, but also Deveaux and Kaito Nakamura, warned the younger generation of this before Linderman had his chat with Nathan in Vegas. Deveaux might have hoped it wouldn't happen, but he didn't take any preventive measures (unless his power somehow enabled him to draw Peter from the future to him.) Also, his interaction with Angela is very cordial; early movieverse Xavier and Magneto, I'd say.

Peter on that occasion overhears some terrible things from his mother, and gets told by Charles Deveaux that his strength is his ability to love unconditionally. About this time, I was sure they'd play out the Return of the Jedi scenario, with Peter as Luke to Nathan's Vader. Though it's a bit more complicated than that. Claire, earlier, sees Peter calling Nathan as a betrayal and doesn't understand why he does it, and this time Peter doesn't even bring up things like "maybe the FBI will listen to Nathan" but gets down to the emotional truth, that he simply needs Nathan. Of course, then he gets a shock when reading Nathan's thoughts about the inevitability of the explosion and flees, leaving Claire in the truth teller position with Nathan and Angela. What most surprised me is that Claire's argument against the future being inevitable includes the question why, if that was the case, Angela let Nathan believe she was dead for all those years. And you can see by Nathan's reaction he hadn't known/realized this before. (I.e. that Angela had known Claire was alive.) Then comes the argument from Claire which fans voiced but characters on the show did not before; that Peter surviving the explosion would still leave him carrying the guilt of it, and how can Nathan do that to him? IMO, this is where Nathan decides for good what he'll do, and he alreay knows when he tells Claire to trust him, but of course, given the circumstances, she doesn't.

I bet some people are disappointed we didn't get a special effects extravaganza battle between Peter and Sylar, but at that point, I didn't expect anymore (as we were heading through a different kind of emotional climax); and Peter punching Sylar, instead of using any of his superpowers, somehow brings across both the frustrated rage and the fact that, as opposed to poor Hiro a second later, he is not ready yet to actually kill. And then, of course. And then.

So does Nathan do what he does in order to save those .07% or to save Peter from carrying the guilt for those .07%? Both, I'd say. He's able to because Angela wasn't just wrong about Peter, she was wrong about Nathan as well, and so, for that matter, were both Linderman and Devaux; because Peter was the one person who did love Nathan unconditionally through all those years, no matter what happened; and he's able to because Claire laid out the stakes for him, uncompromisingly. Claire is the symbol of hope for Peter, who saved her, but she's also the symbol of the way not taken and the life not lived for Nathan, I think, and that all comes together.

I expected to cry if they go with this solution, and I didn't. Not because I'm not moved, but because, as mentioned before, I watch tv. And read comics. As long as there is no dead body, someone is not dead. I guess over the hiatus, there'll be a lot of theories of how Nathan, not being invulnerable, could have survived the explosion; my current one is tied to my idea that Peter did actually go back in the past for his chat with Charles Deveaux, but subconsciously, and uses that teleport/timeshift ability again when in the air with Nathan, this time deliberately; that Hiro won't be the only time traveller next season. But don't ask me about more logistics, I'm currently too busy flailing about fraternal co-dependency winning the day.

ETA: Also? So called it that the story of Kensei Hiro told last episode was actually foreshadowing Nathan's decision - i.e. offered the power to unite the land at the cost of the life/heart of the princess, the hero plunges the sword into his own heart instead. When I said that, wee_warrior told me that the story of Kensei and the dragon (which is posted in one of the show-tie in websites) does not at the point where Hiro ends it, but has the dragon being so pleased by the action he resurrects the hero.

Now off to check on other reviews!

Son of ETA: I've got (another) theory!



We've seen several examples of specials able to transfer their powers temporarily to include another person via physical contact - DL is able to phase Jessica/Niki with him through walls, Peter can extend invisibility to Claire while holding her, Hiro can take Ando with him when he teleports. So, Peter should be able to transfer his Claire-derived regeneration ability while in direct physical contact with Nathan to him, and they have plenty of physical contact in that scene!

Comments

[astrogirl2.livejournal.com]

I did cry, even though I watch TV, too. :) The fact that Nathan was willing to do that, without the awareness that he's on TV and might not die... that's what got to me. *sniffle*

Hiro bidding goodby to Ando made me more than a little misty-eyed, too, in that "Oh, Hiro, I want to hug you so much" kind of way.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Is there ever a time where we do not want to hug Hiro? *hugs*

And Nathan completely came through, as I knew he would. *flails*

[wychwood]

That was fantastic. I blubbered like a baby in Nathan and Peter's final scene. And I was really pleased, too; I've been hoping for that ending since we first found out about their powers.

I think Peter was using superpowers, though - I'm pretty sure he was punching Sylar with Nikki's super-strength *g*. And not least because he then goes into Ted-mode, which seems to follow any use of his powers, this episode.

Also, another datum towards the theory that Sylar killed Claude, what with him popping up out of nowhere at least twice this episode.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I blubbered like a baby in Nathan and Peter's final scene. And I was really pleased, too; I've been hoping for that ending since we first found out about their powers.

It's such a great symmetry to when we find out, that final scene from Genesis, too. And so many things tie in to this - Nathan asking Peter in Nothing to Hide how his ability to fly could possibly make a difference to world (as opposed to what he can do as a politician), and Peter saying "you're not gonna know until you try"...

I think Peter was using superpowers, though - I'm pretty sure he was punching Sylar with Nikki's super-strength *g*.

Ah, I did not think of that, but he just watched her demonstrate, so this makes complete sense!

Also, another datum towards the theory that Sylar killed Claude, what with him popping up out of nowhere at least twice this episode.

Actually, I think he's just doing the serial killer villain thing there. They can do that even on shows without superpowers.*g* No, seriously, I don't think they'd kill Claude off off-screen unless they're sure they won't be able to get Eccleston back. In which case it would make sense, though. But wouldn't Sylar be likely to taunt Peter with it (as during their last encounter, he definitely hadn't been able to be insible yet)?

[wychwood]

But wouldn't Sylar be likely to taunt Peter with it?

Yeah, that's one of the points *against* the theory, definitely. But I wondered last episode, when he vanished from behind Audrey, and then again a couple of times here. It could just be his supervillain narrative powers, as you say *g*, but I'm wondering if they're hints towards a later storyline.

[g_shadowslayer]

He scurried off to the same place cockroaches do when you turn on the lights. :D

[kernezelda]

So good. When Peter lays it out for Claire: he's afraid, and he needs Nathan. Jessica giving herself up so Niki can save her family. Claire blazing up at Nathan and Angela, and throwing herself out the window.

Hiro and Ando parting ways. *sigh*

I love how it was Peter's vision, all along. Even to Claire running toward him, but Nathan the only one who does come close.

Oh, and Peter's first punch threw Sylar right across the square, immediately after Niki and Peter spoke.

I don't think the new season will continue in the past, surely? That would be interesting for a few episodes, but I'd think the familiarity of modern day settings would be required in large doses.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Hiro and Ando parting ways.

But Hiro left his sword, as a pledge for his return. They'll be reunited! Oh, I loved that scene. And Hiro's delight when Ando tells him he looks like a bad ass.

I love how it was Peter's vision, all along. Even to Claire running toward him, but Nathan the only one who does come close.

Yes. "I won't leave you." spoken in both vision and reality. God, these two.

I don't think the new season will continue in the past, surely? That would be interesting for a few episodes, but I'd think the familiarity of modern day settings would be required in large doses.

Not to mention it would be hell on the budget (17th century Japan is EXPENSIVE to recreate!), so no, I don't think Hiro will stay there long. However, given the title, I think we'll get plenty of flashbacks to the more immediate past, i.e. Nakamura, Deveaux, Linderman and the Petrellis during their younger days.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

So far, the pattern with Hiro's time travel has been that he's not in the next ep, and then we get a full episode of him in the different time. Of course, that's when the other characters actually exist in that time as well. But, still, it'll only be a few episodes, I'm guessing.

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

Then comes the argument from Claire which fans voiced but characters on the show did not before; that Peter surviving the explosion would still leave him carrying the guilt of it, and how can Nathan do that to him?

I loved this, oh, SO much. "Your own brother!" I loved that Claire is the one who pointed out that Peter just *surviving* isn't everything--he could be alive but the truth that he had killed millions would destroy him.

Peter on that occasion overhears some terrible things from his mother, and gets told by Charles Deveaux that his strength is his ability to love unconditionally.

I'm still not sure what we were meant to take from Charles's conversation with Peter. That is--I'm not sure if Charles was referring to just the bomb when he said that Peter could save the world, or to bigger events, later events, that we'll see in Season 2.

Bennet: continued to be his great self, and hopefully will now track down his wife and son along with Claire.

"Call me Noah." That was awesome. A nice symmetry with "Call me Charles." I really liked that moment--two older men looking at this boy, so unsure of himself, a "mass of insecurities", and seeing hope, seeing innocence, seeing idealism.

My pet wish/hope for next season is to see HRG mentoring Peter (because Peter MUST survive, or I will go crazy). Because they've given us this character with unbelievable powers, but Angela's right: "Peter gets in his own way." We need to see him fulfil his potential.

As long as there is no dead body, someone is not dead.

You give me hope. :-)

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I loved that Claire is the one who pointed out that Peter just *surviving* isn't everything--he could be alive but the truth that he had killed millions would destroy him.

And we know she's right from Five Years Gone. Nathan doesn't have that knowledge, but he does know Peter, so he realizes she's right as well.

That is--I'm not sure if Charles was referring to just the bomb when he said that Peter could save the world, or to bigger events, later events, that we'll see in Season 2.

Oh, I think we're talking about two different things here. IMO what Charles says about Peter to Angela is meant long-term, i.e. Peter as a hope for the world after the explosion happens, or not, and whatever future events occur next, but the "unconditional love" phrase is referring to the events around the explosion themselves.

HRG mentoring Peter: it occurs to me that HRG could become the show's equivalent to Charles Xavier anyway in this regard. He knows more about the superpowered folk than they do, including how to use their abilities (poor old Ted and Matt come to mind), and he'd be ideal to teach them, all of them, I mean, not just Peter. Also, he needs a new job and a new arc if he stays around - this seasons was his love for Claire versus his being Company Man, and that was settled as of episode 17. But he's still in a "as long as my family is safe, I don't care" frame of mind, and that could be his next challenge - to care for people other than Claire. It would also be a great way to make up for what he did to the specials in the past. (Lest we forget, he tagged and bagged from for 15-16 years.)

You give me hope. :-)

As Charles said: Peter stands for hope.*g* Also, I think fraternal co-dependency will win the day again in this regard. Consider: Future!Hiro became Future!Hiro after the death of Ando, spending the rest of his life trying to undo the past. Now Peter definitely loves Nathan as much as Hiro loves Ando. Thus, a dead Nathan would lead to a similar development, and we need to see Peter focus on the future and develop his potential, not focus on undoing the past. Ergo, Nathan has to be alive. Q.E.D.

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

IMO what Charles says about Peter to Angela is meant long-term, i.e. Peter as a hope for the world after the explosion happens, or not, and whatever future events occur next...

I'm hoping that this is true. I know some people have expressed disappointment that Peter didn't put up more of a fight against Sylar, but I think it makes sense from a storytelling perspective, because (a) Peter's only had some control over his powers for 2 weeks, and (b) There's *so much* story left to tell with him fulfilling his potential that it would be a waste to wrap it all up with him becoming super-powerful in the 1st season. Once Peter gains full mastery of his powers, where could the writers possibly go from there other than turning him evil? And I don't think they'd use that card until the 3rd or 4th season, at least. *fingers crossed*

I love the fact that you have Peter, a character who could be well nigh invincible, whose only problem is that he gets in his own way. I think a great long-term storyline for him would be learning to control his powers, and really learning to believe in himself.

On HRG: But he's still in a "as long as my family is safe, I don't care" frame of mind, and that could be his next challenge - to care for people other than Claire.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is *exactly* where the writers are going, and the HRG-Peter moments we saw in the last episode are a hint of things to come.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

I guess over the hiatus, there'll be a lot of theories of how Nathan, not being invulnerable, could have survived the explosion

I'll go with comic geek logic on this one, and give you two words: protective forcefield. He has to have one no matter what, given that he flew around half-naked at ludicrous speed without suffering so much as a light burn (except for his feet, but that was landing, after all), and they've never defined how strong it is, so - it might withhold a nuclear explosion. Hey, if he can fly into the stratosphere...

Nonetheless I dig your time travel idea! Young Petrelli, young Linderman and young Angela, and not even in a flashback? Wicked awesome.

I expected to cry if they go with this solution, and I didn't.

I seriously expected to be pissed off - not because I feared for Nathan's live, since I think there are reasonable possibilities for them to weasle out of this dilemma without stretching their own logic too much, but because everybody and their grandmother has been guessing this solution for several months. But I thought they did it quite beautifully. Even though I might like the moment when Claire tried to do the right thing and kill Peter and just couldn't a tiny bit more, just a little

He's able to because Angela wasn't just wrong about Peter, she was wrong about Nathan as well, and so, for that matter, were both Linderman and Devaux; because Peter was the one person who did love Nathan unconditionally through all those years, no matter what happened; and he's able to because Claire laid out the stakes for him, uncompromisingly. Claire is the symbol of hope for Peter, who saved her, but she's also the symbol of the way not taken and the life not lived for Nathan, I think, and that all comes together.

I would also add Hiro's accusation that he was already a bad guy from last week to this, and of course the fact that he told Nathan he was going to be bad in the future, and that everything would turn out horrible. I think that is definitely the one thing that can't have happened in timeline 2a (the one where they saved the cheerleader, but New York still exploded), since Hiro had not traveled to the future in that one, and in removing the two remaining constants from the equation - New York exploding, and himself as a figure of influence to mop up the remains, Nathan finally changed their timeline for good. (God, Angela will be pissed, won't she?) And it's certainly fitting that it's these three, since they've definitely meant the most to him in terms of the narrative.

that Deveaux was one of the old league of fallen heroes.

I actually think he might be more. It's just a hunch, but when he told Peter that he could see him... it reminded me of the otherwise rather unconnected little aside Molly had when talking about her powers: That there was someone she couldn't see or find, but who could notice her when she searched for him. (It could of course also be someone entirely new.)

And makes it doubly good that she now knows this is not the case; also, that Jessica told her.

I was glad about this, too. It also explains why they are integrated now: Jessica always was there to protect Niki (and later, Micah) and now that Niki definitely knows she is strong herself, she doesn't need that protection anymore. (which would probably make Jessica more of a very strong invisible friend than a split personality, but there you go.)

and I don't think he's dead

Besides, he was told he couldn't die because he is her hero by an adorable little moppet, that usually works wonders. (In addition, Greg Grunberg characters seem to have the tendency to get fatally shot and yet miraculously survive)

Lastly? Noah Bennet! Loved it! Seems fitting for him, too, especially considering what he did in 5YG.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I'll go with comic geek logic on this one, and give you two words: protective forcefield. He has to have one no matter what, given that he flew around half-naked at ludicrous speed without suffering so much as a light burn

Of course! *nods eagerly; if he can survive supersonic speed without any impact on him whatsoever, he must have...*

Nonetheless I dig your time travel idea! Young Petrelli, young Linderman and young Angela, and not even in a flashback? Wicked awesome.

They'd have to find good actors for all three roles, of course, but so far the casting has been excellent. And we could have one present day and two past narrative threads, coming together in the end when everyone returns to their own time using what they have learned.

But I thought they did it quite beautifully.

So did I. Just rewatched and wibbled some more.

I would also add Hiro's accusation that he was already a bad guy from last week to this, and of course the fact that he told Nathan he was going to be bad in the future, and that everything would turn out horrible.

Yes. Hiro, like Claire, fulfilled a truth teller/Cassandra function, only as opposed to the Trojans or Caesar Nathan actually took in what they had to say...

Jessica always was there to protect Niki (and later, Micah) and now that Niki definitely knows she is strong herself, she doesn't need that protection anymore.

Yes, and it ties with the origin story - if we assume Jessica the alternate personality was created when Jessica, sister of Niki, died at her father's hands. This time, Niki is able to prevent the person(s) she loves from dying, not by splitting, but by integrating.

Word about Greg Grunberg, although he does bite it in the pilot of Lost...

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

And we could have one present day and two past narrative threads, coming together in the end when everyone returns to their own time using what they have learned.

I would love that, but I think it might be a little too complicated and/or difficult to follow. On the other hand, while I could come up with dozens of ideas for a Nathan in the past with his parents and Linderman storyline at the drop of a hat, I have been wrecking my brain what on earth Hiro might possibly accomplish in the past - other than discovering that he is either related to Kensei, or that Kensei is pretty indestructable, since I am pretty sure that we've heard on the show that he was supposed to live in the late 16th, not in the late 17th century.

Hiro, like Claire, fulfilled a truth teller/Cassandra function, only as opposed to the Trojans or Caesar Nathan actually took in what they had to say...

Well, he is fairly reasonable. And he always had a however tiny bit of a rebellious streak, so going against what his mother explicitly wished might have been motivating, too. (I sincerely hope we'll get their last conversation at some point. I wonder what he told her, and if the fact that she knew about Claire the whole time was even brought up. He didn't know that before, did he?)

Cassandra function: Nathan seemed to be one for a lot of negative things, especially where people's reaction to the specials was concerned - from experimenting in the present to fear in the future (the latter probably being sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy since he apparently partly orchestrated it, but still). In fact, he came up with the idea that people could test them like labrats so often, I always thought that there had to be more behind it, and that some situation similar to the one with Bennet and the Haitian actually had happened to him before.

Word about Greg Grunberg, although he does bite it in the pilot of Lost...

Granted, but I fear even a bullet from Irina Derevko, though it might be more fearsome than four from Sylar, isn't as devastating as that primal thing which stomped through Lost in the pilot and subsequent episodes. (Was it ever cleared up what that was? I stopped watching fairly early.)

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I have been wrecking my brain what on earth Hiro might possibly accomplish in the past - other than discovering that he is either related to Kensei, or that Kensei is pretty indestructable, since I am pretty sure that we've heard on the show that he was supposed to live in the late 16th, not in the late 17th century

Use that sword to actually sword fight, for one, as I can't think of any present day scenarios where Hiro would duel with someone via sword.*g* (As this isn't Highlander.) Okay, more seriously: cadesama has suggested it might be a mutual learning of process between Hiro and Kensei; Hiro, after all, has just killed someone for the first time in his life (as far as he knows), which Kensei has able experience in dealing with, but Kensei presumably is utterly lacking in joie de vivre after that heart stabbing incident.

But there's no way that's going to play out longer than an episode or two. As I said, ancient Japan is expensive to film, so, for budget reasons alone, Hiro has to come back soon.

Also, I'm trying to figure out ways in which Hiro could find out his Flying Man did, after all, come through once he's back. NY still standing wouldn't do it, because Hiro always thought SYLAR was going to be the bomb, and that he stopped Sylar when stabbing him. Any ideas? Hiro needs to know!

I sincerely hope we'll get their last conversation at some point. I wonder what he told her, and if the fact that she knew about Claire the whole time was even brought up. He didn't know that before, did he?

No, not if the fact they explicitly show us him reacting to that revelation of Claire's is anything to go by. yahtzee63 has said she wants to write that conversation between Nathan and Angela. Someone has to! (Even if we do get a flashback in canon later - it's going to be months until then!)

In fact, he came up with the idea that people could test them like labrats so often, I always thought that there had to be more behind it, and that some situation similar to the one with Bennet and the Haitian actually had happened to him before.

Hm, he didn't know about metas pre-show, obviously, but I think it's absolutely possible that Angela and Petrelli Senior used some kind of excuse (some childhood disease, or something like that) to have him tested. Given that Nathan doesn't manifest until in his late 30s, which is later than anyone else we know of did, and that they had the idea of him as the leader of destiny and what not, they could have been frustrated; he had the genetic disposition, but there was no sign of an ability, so did he have one or didn't he?

(He must have participated in some kind of test for Chandra Suresh to have access to his blood samples and genetic code and put him on that list.)

I fear even a bullet from Irina Derevko, though it might be more fearsome than four from Sylar, isn't as devastating as that primal thing which stomped through Lost in the pilot and subsequent episodes. (Was it ever cleared up what that was? I stopped watching fairly early.)

It's... complicated.*g* But yes, more and more bits of the puzzle are coming together. Agreed that it's more dangerous than a bullet from Irina Derevko or four from Sylar.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Use that sword to actually sword fight, for one, as I can't think of any present day scenarios where Hiro would duel with someone via sword.*g*

I'm afraid he left the stupid thing in the present, though... well, at least he could get some practice.

Also, I'm trying to figure out ways in which Hiro could find out his Flying Man did, after all, come through once he's back. NY still standing wouldn't do it, because Hiro always thought SYLAR was going to be the bomb, and that he stopped Sylar when stabbing him. Any ideas? Hiro needs to know!

He does - the idea that Hiro still thinks Nathan is evil is pretty distressing.

Hmm. After he has had a roughly 2-3 episode bonding session with Kensei (in which Kensei gets back his sense of humour and learns far too much about American superhero comics and Hiro learns how to use a sword) he'll jump back to the present and run into a bearded, homeless, deeply distressed Nathan with memory loss. He can explain to him who he is, but then they both have to try and find out how on earth he ended up in this situation. Hiro will be suspicious, but secretly delighted, and he will put his anxieties aside because he needs to help Nathan. Subsequently, lots of cuteness ensues. Would that be helpful?

he had the genetic disposition, but there was no sign of an ability, so did he have one or didn't he?

This is interesting; I thought for the longest time that Petrelli might have been secretly hoping that Nathan in fact didn't have any powers, since he seemed to be deeply troubled by the concept alone, but your idea does make a lot of sense. Here's hoping that we will get some answers on their motives.

It's... complicated.

I might give it a shot after the show is over for good, but so far I tried to get into the show three times, and it never managed to hold my interest. Oh well...

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Hmm. After he has had a roughly 2-3 episode bonding session with Kensei (in which Kensei gets back his sense of humour and learns far too much about American superhero comics and Hiro learns how to use a sword) he'll jump back to the present and run into a bearded, homeless, deeply distressed Nathan with memory loss. He can explain to him who he is, but then they both have to try and find out how on earth he ended up in this situation. Hiro will be suspicious, but secretly delighted, and he will put his anxieties aside because he needs to help Nathan. Subsequently, lots of cuteness ensues. Would that be helpful?

Extremely so! *hopes for that scenario with a passion* I mean, Hiro/Ando and Nathan/Peter all the way as far as most important bonds go, but Hiro & Nathan are my friendshippy OTP.

Lost: works best if you can watch the episodes in a row, as opposed to seeing them stretched out, because then it makes far more sense and one doesn't get annoyed by the occasional bore...

[g_shadowslayer]

Comments later, maybe during lunch. Right now, yes, yes, and more yes!

I love this show!!!

[strangemuses.livejournal.com]

[strangemuses.livejournal.com]

I just typed a long response to you about Charles Deveaux and Uluru and the Dreamtime... and the LJs ate it. Argh!

Anyway, I've been thinking about Peter's interaction with Charles Deveaux in this episode. To me, it didn't seem that Peter used Hiro's time travel powers to get back to Deveaux's house. He passed out... and then woke up there. My theory is that Peter was dream-walking, not time traveling. I wonder if Charles Deveaux's power is the ability to go into the Dreamtime, where time/space is meaningless. Peter would have absorbed this power from him unknowingly. Then, when he was unconsious, he could have seen Deveaux, or Deveaux could have actively reached out to contact him there. Perhaps Deveaux had seen this potential future, and this vision is what caused the split among the original heroes. Hard to say, now.

If I am right and Deveaux can go into the Dreamtime, I wonder if he is the 'Bigger Bad' (as I call it) that Molly sees? Deveaux didn't strike me as a bad guy though, so I'm not sure about this.

[midnightsjane.livejournal.com]

I wonder if Charles Deveaux's power is the ability to go into the Dreamtime, where time/space is meaningless. Peter would have absorbed this power from him unknowingly.
I thought Peter was doing something like dream-walking, too. Makes sense, because the whole scene was a little dream like, with Peter watching himself. It's funny, but I had pretty much forgotten about Deveaux, and hadn't considered that he might be one of the original heroes.
I think perhaps there's another DreamWalker, the Bigger Bad..do you think maybe Sylar's father was one of the originals? Do we know what happened to him? Maybe Sylar's craziness is inherited from his father.
Loved this episode, and this show. Can't wait til next season!

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

I hope you are right about Charles Deveaux, because thinking about how and why that scene happened is hurting my brain. Why does he care that Peter can become invisible???

[misachan.livejournal.com]

Because he has an invisible guy hiding out there on his roof?:) I don't believe for a second that Charles didn't know Claude was there.

[kernezelda]

I like your second theory, too. :)

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So do I. *basks in hope of brotherly survival*

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Also, his interaction with Angela is very cordial; early movieverse Xavier and Magneto, I'd say.

Very early. In fact, I'm not convinced they are truly on opposite sides. Charles didn't seem entirely anti-explosion to me.

IMO, this is where Nathan decides for good what he'll do, and he alreay knows when he tells Claire to trust him, but of course, given the circumstances, she doesn't.

I agree. He doesn't look particularly like he's going to fly after Claire when she jumps out the window, even before Angela tells him to let her go.

and Peter punching Sylar, instead of using any of his superpowers, somehow brings across both the frustrated rage and the

That was fantastic, and I'm actually happy they didn't go all out with the Peter vs. Sylar showdown. They aren't emotionally invested in hating each other yet. Sylar is a scary villain to Peter, and Peter is that annoying guy who won't die. It's not personal. Someday, they'll have an all out fight that just goes on forever and exhausts the two of them without making much of a dent. But not this time.

So, Peter should be able to transfer his Claire-derived regeneration ability while in direct physical contact with Nathan to him, and they have plenty of physical contact in that scene!

Sadly, the latest interview at Behind the Eclipse already debunked that one. Only some powers are "infectious," as they put it. Claire's power doesn't work that way.

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Very early. In fact, I'm not convinced they are truly on opposite sides.

More on this in my comment to your lj.*g* Basically, yeah.

That was fantastic, and I'm actually happy they didn't go all out with the Peter vs. Sylar showdown. They aren't emotionally invested in hating each other yet. Sylar is a scary villain to Peter, and Peter is that annoying guy who won't die. It's not personal. Someday, they'll have an all out fight that just goes on forever and exhausts the two of them without making much of a dent. But not this time.

Exactly. Back in Alt!Future, it has become personal, but not here, plus you know, I remember the special efffects extravaganza that was X3, which sadly let go of most of the character stuff instead; give me an emotional climax any time.

Also, it's fittting that Hiro is the one to temporarily take out Sylar - the one Sylar dismissed as utterly ridiculous, "a silly little man". Hubris always does it.

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