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First of all, I'm egotistical enough to check on my guesses:

1) Snape acted on Dumbledore's orders; it was the "Severus, please" that settled it for me back when Half Blood Prince came out, and as we know, Salman Rushdie asked and received a spoilery confirmation about Snape's not-bad-guyness from JKR, but it's still nice to have it in print. More on Snape in a second.

2) One of the Weasley twins will die. I think most people figured one of the Weasleys would buy it, but thought it would be Percy, in a gesture of redemption. I thought it would be one of the twins because they're the symbol of anarchic adolescence, and this is the last book; no starker symbol for that rite of passage. Check. Bye, Fred. I'm neither a twin adorer nor a twin hater, but I thought that was fitting, for said symbolic reasons.

3) No more romantic sub- or main plots. That was easy and the obvious reason why she crammed all the romance in HBP; it really didn't have room in the finale (and isn't missed, either). Well, except for one exception, to wit:

4) Snape was in love with Lily Evans. This speculation has been around in fandom since ca. book 4, mostly based on the fact Snape never said a negative word about Lily, as opposed to the plenty he had to say on the subject of James Potter, and HBP gave another hint in the direction with the revelation the crucial event for Snape's turn from Death Eater to Dumbledore's man was the threat to the Potters; rather obviously, it wasn't James he could have been concerned about. (Also, Slughorn recalling that Lily was great at potions could be read as another hint.) What I think nobody guessed and what I never read in any of the fanfics toying with the idea was that Severus and Lily knew each other since that early a childhood, pre-Hogwarts; not even after HBP revealed Snape's father was a Muggle.


Guesses that didn't come true on my part were that the Dursleys would play some role - though I'm really pleased with the farewell scene we got, complete with Dudley revealing layers, and Petunia giving Harry that last look; the revelation in the Snape flashbacks that Petunia wrote to Dumbledore, begging to be allowed at Hogwarts when Lily went there and that her "freak" attitude had its seed when she got rejected makes complete sense. I also didn't think anyone other than one of the Weasleys would die among the declared good guys, and my, did good old JK, as the Doctor calls her, go for wholesale ruthless slaughter, starting with Hedwig at the very beginning and ending with everyone's favourite werewolf Remus Lupin. I bet most of the Remus fans are going to be in tears of rage for months to come, not just because he's dead but because if OotP (the novel, less so the film) revealed the flaws of Harry's other three father figures - James, Sirius and Dumbledore - , DH showcased Remus Lupin's. Trying to run out on your pregnant wife? That's low, Remus, and you deserve every word Harry has to say about the subject.

What I also hadn't expected was that dead Dumbledore would get such an interesting fleshed out backstory. Which is indeed awesome new canon. Now views on Dumbledore have so far been split between Saintly Dumbledore and the minority opinion of Machiavellian, possibly Evil!Dumbledore, but I think nobody would have guessed at Used-to-be-friends-with-Grindlewald, has Tennessee Williams Backstory!Dumbledore. His behaviour towards young Tom Riddle, Severus Snape and Harry Potter suddenly looks like a unified whole: as a young man just barely with his own touch of superbia behind him, he saw something of himself and Grindlewald in Tom, which made for an instinctive rejection; as an older man, he recognized the remorse and saw the potential for redemption in Severus; and as an old man, he saw Harry as someone utterly unlike himself. All the while being as Machiavellian as they come; he uses both Snape and Harry to the max, while using himself and his own life no less. Dumbledore, now that I know you were a manipulative son of a bitch, I can embrace you completely. And hope all that tasty new canon, both backstory wise and with all the flashbacks to yours and Snape's conversations will inspire lots of fanfic.

Biggest surprise on the Slytherin side of things: the fact all three Malfoys survive, and that Narcissa plays a crucial role in Harry's victory, building on her portrait in HBP. It's the loving mothers that get Voldemort every time, and Narcissa is definitely among those. (Oh, and the description of Draco's receding hairline in the epilogue cracked me up. Not that I expect it to change the status of Fanon!Draco as a Jude Law lookalike, but I bet JKR did that deliberately.)

Neville was wonderfully heroic, Luna was wonderfully herself (and also heroic, and how much did I love that last little moment between her and Harry when she provides distraction so he can take some time out?), and Percy coming through for his family (while surviving, as opposed to most guesses) was neat. Meanwhile, both Hermione's ruthlessness and smarts get showcased (her memory altering her parents into believing themselves other people, sans daughter, and emigrating to Australia was at once brilliant - it almost definitely saved their lives, especially when one compares it with the fates of the Tonks family) - and deeply chilling. Hermione is scary. I mean that as a compliment. Regarding the kindness which she's also capable of: her ongoing subplot with the houseelves finally pays off with Kreacher. (And again, minor surprise/satisfaction that yes, Sirius' behaviour towards Kreacher was appalling and contributed to his death. I mean, Dumbledore hinted as much in OotP, but it was open to debate whether or not he was right.) Who'd have thought Kreacher survives and Dobby dies? Not I. Incidentally, I think it's the right choice, nothing against Dobby, but his character development towards first free elf was over. Kreacher's story about Regulus Black was deeply touching, and again, should made fanfic writers very happy. (Everybody and their dog had guessed R.A.B. had to be Regulus, but I don't think anyone had come up with the idea that he had found out about the horcrux and hid with with Keacher's help.)

Ron's mid-book period of doubt might displease Ron fans, but I thought it was emotionally realistic - and he was right, of course, about Harry not having had a plan, and about his siblings being primary targets -; throughout the book, there is a contrast between Voldemort and his Death Eaters, the way he treats even the most loyal and admiring of them, like Bellatrix, and their need to follow him without question , and Harry's friends, who do question him but come through for him when it counts, which Ron does, in style.

Harry himself is the end product of all those years: the NYT review wrote, more King Arthur at the end of Camelot than young Wart, and no kidding. The anger is still there, but no longer dominating via capslock, and it's significant that the most memorable outburst isn't about himself, it's about what Remus would do to Tonks and her baby, or that he manages to build up a relationship with Kreacher. That he is aware some part of him is responding to the power using the Unforgivable Curses gives without panicking, as previously, that this could overwhelm him. Still, there are such a lot of ties to OotP in this novel when it comes to Harry - the "I must not tell lies" scar on his hand, and the resulting deep mistrust of the Ministry of Magic, and of couse the big one: in OotP, Harry gets a glimpse of Snape's memories that cause him to question several of his previously held assumptions, and he gets that via looking at the Pensieve behind Snape's back; in DH, he looks at Snape's memories at Snape's dying request, and they not only overturn assumptions but also answer questions he, and the readers, have had since book 1. I predict The Prince's Tale overtaking Snape's Worst Memory in the "most reread chapter for Snape fans" category. The fact he calls one of his kids "Albus Severus" and tells the boy Snape was the bravest man he ever knew (and that it's okay to be in Slytherin) in the epilogue should make Snape fans happy, but probably won't too much, considering Snape, to one one's great surprise, dies in the novel. (He really was the most surefire death candidate after Voldemort).

So, Severus S. JRK's most ambiguous creation: great researcher, awful teacher (never mind the whole convoluted relationship with Harry, there's no excuse for the way he bullied Neville, or his crack about Hermione's teeth), unpleasant git, ex-Death Eater... and lonely hero trying his best to keep Harry & Co. safe against universal odds throughout seven novels. I thought the whole series of memories (of which the one Harry accessed in OotP turns out just to be a fragment) wonderfully avoided falling into several traps; because we don't get one single reason why Snape turns Death Eater. He always has the potential to be cruel (the twig falling on Petunia, dismissing Avery's bullying of Mary MacDonald as "a laugh"), in a period where he and Lily are still friends, so there is nothing tritle like "disappointed love drove him to it"; at the same time, the loneliness, the desperate longing for a human connection and the bravery are also there from the start. Voldemort, Snape and Harry are three variations of how the tale of the gifted half-blood wizard with a lousy childhood suddenly getting power can turn out. (And in case we miss this triple connection, JKR has Harry making it: "Hogwarts was the first and best home he had known. He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys, had all found home here.") But, keeping with the ongoing theme of the novels, it's the choices that make them different, and they all had to keep on making choices. And suddenly we get an explanation why the thing with Tonks changing her Patronus to a wolf when in love with Lupin in HBP had been necessary; maybe I'm easy, but Snape's Patronus being a doe in memory of Lily, and the simple exchange between him and Dumbledore ("After all this time?" "Always," said Snape) really does it for me. (For Harry, too, going by the way he brings this up against Voldemort later.)


Sidenotes: JKR has admitted she gets a kick out of writing Rita Skeeter, and it shows; even though Rita herself doesn't appear, the excerpts of Rita's scandalous Dumbledore biography are written with such gusto that I expect them to sparkle.

Neville as a professor at Hogwarts, not one of the Trio: was predicted by some of fandom, and is a great end note for him.

Mrs. Weasley versus Bellatrix: for the win!

... no way are they going to market the film version of this one as a kid's movie. Between the death toll and all the torture, that's just plain impossible.

... Draco of the receding hairline having a son named Scorpius is going to send the Farscape fans into stitches.

Date: 2007-07-21 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
I loved this book. I loved this book. I loved it! *g*

I loved the fact that the Trio was the main focus, as they should be. I love the fact that R/Hr was handled so well. And...just...god, I loved everything about it.

Ron's mid-book period of doubt might displease Ron fans, but I thought it was emotionally realistic - and he was right, of course, about Harry not having had a plan, and about his siblings being primary targets -;

It didn't displease this Ron fan, and he's been my favorite character since Book 1. (Well, he and Hermione.) They're just kids--they make mistakes. And yes, Ron behaved like a royal prat, but he came through when it counted. I think The Silver Doe is one of my favorite chapters in the series so far, and Ron's destruction of the Horcrux, and his subsequent reconciliation with Harry and Hermione, were superbly handled. Those scenes really packed an emotional wallop.

Date: 2007-07-21 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Oh, the Trio-ness was just perfect. I love them, and their love for each other, so much.

It didn't displease this Ron fan, and he's been my favorite character since Book 1. (Well, he and Hermione.) They're just kids--they make mistakes.

Absolutely. And it makes Ron so real - he doesn't automatically make the correct-with-hindsight decisions, he has to struggle now and then, and wow, does he ever come through when it counts.

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Date: 2007-07-21 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danel4d.livejournal.com
I've just been commenting on any part of my f-list that has comments on it... how much do I love the fact that "Snape's Worst Memory" isn't just about a bit of bullying, but about the fact that it was the moment he lost his best friend out of anger and humiliation? Or yet another mention of Harry's love for treacle tart?

Also, the number of times 'remorse' comes up - the sheer number of people who do something and feel sorry for it... apart from the occasional explicit mentions. Oh, and the insight into goblin culture! The number of themes that come up, minor plot threads that are resolved... things that no one predicted. And the fights! McGonagall vs. Snape, Molly vs. Bellatrix...

Wow. This is probably the most I've said on the book so far.

Date: 2007-07-21 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
how much do I love the fact that "Snape's Worst Memory" isn't just about a bit of bullying, but about the fact that it was the moment he lost his best friend out of anger and humiliation?

Yes. It's an effective scene in any case and has some great character revelations, but I remember back then people were wondering why, given everything that Snape experienced after (i.e. Death Eather stuff), THIS was his worst memory. Now that we know the point of it wasn't James and Sirius being teenage jerks but Snape losing his best friend? It so works.

Oh, I loved the goblin culture insight. And the continuation of the theme of wizards having this sort of caste system towards other magical creatures...

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Date: 2007-07-21 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penknife.livejournal.com
bet most of the Remus fans are going to be in tears of rage for months to come, not just because he's dead but because if OotP (the novel, less so the film) revealed the flaws of Harry's other three father figures - James, Sirius and Dumbledore - , DH showcased Remus Lupin's. Trying to run out on your pregnant wife? That's low, Remus, and you deserve every word Harry has to say about the subject.

I hate it that Remus is dead, but I don't think his behavior was out of character. He's at his worst in this book -- running away from people who need him and telling himself it's for their own good when it really isn't. I can believe that's Remus at his worst. His flaw has never been cruelty, but hanging back when he ought to act.

as a young man just barely with his own touch of superbia behind him, he saw something of himself and Grindlewald in Tom, which made for an instinctive rejection

Yes, and this really helps make sense to me of why Dumbledore didn't try harder to engage with Tom Riddle.

Hermione is scary. I mean that as a compliment.

I totally agree.

Date: 2007-07-21 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I can believe that's Remus at his worst. His flaw has never been cruelty, but hanging back when he ought to act.

Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean to imply this negates Remus' virtues - his kindness (and he is an excellent teacher, as opposed to Snape), most of all. But this is the book to showcase his flaws.

Yes, and this really helps make sense to me of why Dumbledore didn't try harder to engage with Tom Riddle.

*nods* Yes. He might have had he met him at a later point, but at this stage, the whole experience with his own inner megalomaniac plus the friendship with Grindlewald was just behind him.

Hermione: how much do I love ruthless women? Far too much.

Date: 2007-07-21 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenspanky.livejournal.com
I adored the Malfoys, so so much. And the 'Always' bit from Snape just killed me, I actually had to put the book down because I was sobbing so mch.

Fab points from you as always!

Date: 2007-07-21 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thanks! And hey, the Malfoys being together in the battle aftermath, holding each other: perfect.

Date: 2007-07-21 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
You're the first person on my flist to do a full Potter review :-)

Date: 2007-07-21 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I'm a fast reader, I guess, and an incorrible blabber in the written form.

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Date: 2007-07-21 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syredronning.livejournal.com
Thanks for that great review. You're said a lot more positive things than I've read in most other reviews and comments :) I liked the book, the plot holes were not as big as in some of the others IMO, I loved the Dumbledore backstory (and hope for a lot more Dumbledore slash). I'm glad Snape was Dumbledore's man which I thought after the last book.

I think she did a good job with bringing the teenager nature and their flaws and failures into the picture. I can see why a lot of people are very unhappy about their killed pairings/characters. The epilogue, now...bleh ;)

But all in all, the book is okay by me :)

Date: 2007-07-21 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
We must have different flists - the reviews I've read so far on mine were good as well (check out [livejournal.com profile] penknife's, for example). Anyway, I wrote mine before reading any of the others (am doing so now), so maybe I just got lucky with the first samples.*g*

If this book doesn't result in lots of more Dumbledore fanfic, I'll eat my Sorting Hat.

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Date: 2007-07-21 05:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kangeiko
Have a big bat WORD.

I loved this book, and squeed throughout the entirety of it. This makes up for me completely hating HBP, I think. Yes. *is full of happiness etc* Also, I agreed with all the points you made. So I won't repeat them. But, most importantly, where's the Dumbledore/Grindelwald slash???

Date: 2007-07-21 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
LOL about the Kreacher icon. And hey, I bet Dumbledore/Grindelwald is getting written as we speak. I've already seen the annoucnement of a community!

Date: 2007-07-21 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
Agree with you about pretty much everything here - the epilogue was pandering to fandom a bit excessively, I think, but the rest of it was Rowling at her best. You're right about the body count being high - I vaguely expected a couple of Harry's friends to die, never expected so many.

Date: 2007-07-21 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Flippantly said: when she started with Hedwig, I knew she meant business. If cute pets aren't safe anymore, next to no one is, the Trio excepted, because I never believed either Hermione or Ron would die, but everyone else?

Given that this is supposed to be a war, and she actually abandoned the "Harry's school year" format (despite the quest announcement in HBP, I was half expecting him to go back to Hogwarts for some contrived plot reason, and was pleasantly suprised when he didn't), it was the only thing that made it really feel like a war, though. With all those horrible losses.

Date: 2007-07-21 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yahtzee63.livejournal.com
I enjoyed the heck out of this -- for much the same reasons, though I think Lupin deserved about half of the lecture Harry gave him (as Harry himself said afterward). Other than that, we are on the same page. This was a fine finale.

Date: 2007-07-21 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Okay, I concede half the lecture. *g*

And yes, it was. I'm not active in the fandom, but I do enjoy the books, and this was a great ending. *beams*

Date: 2007-07-21 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 12-12-12.livejournal.com
Aaaand the review is done! Here (http://12-12-12.livejournal.com/4037.html), if you feel like reading. It got so long I had to split it into 3 parts. *facepalm*

Date: 2007-07-21 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artaxastra.livejournal.com
Finished. Wombly now.

Will make more sense later.

Neville for the win. Luna for the win. Molly for the win. My Remus! My Tonks!

You're right. No way this is a kid's movie or a kid's book.

Date: 2007-07-22 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
No way this is a kid's movie or a kid's book.

Mind you, some of the death toll victims won't make it on screen because they haven't been established in the previous movies, but still. Wow.

I feel for you re: Remus and Tonks, and consider yourself virtually hugged.

Date: 2007-07-21 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kathyh
One of the Weasley twins will die.

You called it *g*. I never thought she'd go that far but given the rest of the body count I'm now not surprised.

I wasn't intending to read this all in one go but once I started I couldn't stop!

It's the loving mothers that get Voldemort every time

Just one of the many things I really enjoyed about this book. Who would ever have thought that Narcissa's love for Draco would be one of the things that saved Harry. Some things were predictable (Snape dying), but others like Narcissa and Dumbledore's backstory really weren't.

Date: 2007-07-22 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You called it *g*.

And you are my witness!

I wasn't intending to read this all in one go but once I started I couldn't stop!

JKR at her best is really addictive.

Who would ever have thought that Narcissa's love for Draco would be one of the things that saved Harry. Some things were predictable (Snape dying), but others like Narcissa and Dumbledore's backstory really weren't.

No, they weren't, though I had loved Narcissa's appearance in the second chapter of HBP (where she asks Snape to protect Draco), which was so unlike what fanon had predicted, either. BTW, I hear Naomi Watts is going to play her, which sounds like an excellent choice.

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Date: 2007-07-21 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
One of the Weasley twins will die. I think most people figured one of the Weasleys would buy it, but thought it would be Percy, in a gesture of redemption.

*raises hand* I actually thought it would be Charlie. I was reasonably sure it wouldn't be the parents or Ginny and Ron, and after George lost his ear, I mistakenly thought they were through the worst. Percy I considered as rather safe, because killing him for such a tiny mistake - and for something that still is a mirror to Sirius' rebellion against his family - would have been incredibly petty. (What is it with fandoms crying for redemptive death at the drop of a hat, anyway? That sentiment is beginning to scare me)

Lupin on the other hand I anticipated, in the grand tradition of the previous generation dying to give way to the younger one, and of course he painted a big fat target on his forehead with trying to run out on Tonks - something which seemed a bit out of the blue to me, since he was never shown to be particularly disloyal before. I guess there were lots of developments there we weren't partial to.

As for Snape, JKR made me like him. I kinda resent that. (Only half-serious, obviously. I'm not a Snape hater, he just pushes some of my worst buttons, namely being a bullying teacher. I saw all the other characterization and I never believed he was "evil," but I never liked him. Incidentally, I resent James Potter for basically the same thing, only that he as a golden boy with a loving family has even less speaking in his favour.)

Concerning the Malfoys: I was pleased that we saw not only Narcissa, but even Lucius worried for Draco. Who would have guessed.

Date: 2007-07-22 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Charlie? I thought Charlie and Bill were safe because Bill had his brush with death in the previous volume, and we never saw enough of Charlie for the death to have a big impact.

Percy I considered as rather safe, because killing him for such a tiny mistake - and for something that still is a mirror to Sirius' rebellion against his family - would have been incredibly petty.

That was basically my reasoning why Percy wouldn't die, too, when playing the guessing game.

Snape: of course, I'm pretty sure many a bullying teacher was bullied himself in the past (sad to say, instead of reacting by being enlightened and stop the circle of bullying), but I have to admit I only like them in fictional form and resent the real ones.

Concerning the Malfoys: I was pleased that we saw not only Narcissa, but even Lucius worried for Draco. Who would have guessed.

Not fanfic writers, that's for sure. But it's worth recalling that Lucius in the novels as opposed to the screen spoils Draco rotten (and gets into a shouting match with Arthur Weasley about their kids); the icy Lucius of fanon is a Jason Isaacs plus fannish imagination creation.

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Date: 2007-07-22 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] willowgreen.livejournal.com
My vote for Still Morally Ambguous Character: Draco. Because he obviously didn't like being used as Voldie's pet torturer, yet he never changed his mind about his loyalties.

The epilogue wasn't the best part of the book, but it was sweet, and it needed to be written, so I'll give it a pass.

Now I need to get up and walk around before every drop of blood in my body pools in my feet.

Date: 2007-07-22 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
The only reason I liked the epilogue was that Draco was still around and sending his kids to Hogwarts. I never thought the character I would most want post-book fic about to be Draco Malfoy, but I think maybe he is --

Date: 2007-07-22 03:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kernezelda
Your analysis, as usual, is impressive.

And yes, Scorpius?! Clearly when the humans were scooped from Earth, some of that pre-historic Malfoy stock was part of the bunch. Rylani was a pale blonde wearing green, and Scarrans seem repilian, so the joining of alternate-Slytherin and Scarran produced a wonderfully morally ambiguous character, after all.

;>

Date: 2007-07-22 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
It completely fits. The only remaining question is: do the Crichtons have any family connections to the Blacks and/or Potters?

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Date: 2007-07-22 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolivingman.livejournal.com
Dumbledore, now that I know you were a manipulative son of a bitch, I can embrace you completely

Suddenly, he's your type of character! I did love that he had such an interesting backstory, that she made him a well-rounded and fallible character. I never bought him as twinkly and perfect, and I'm glad I was right.

Hermione is scary. I love that about her.

Date: 2007-07-22 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Suddenly, he's your type of character!

Well, yes.*g*

Hermione's scariness rules. We're all so lucky she's on the side of the angels, because with her as an Evil Overlady, Harry would never have won.

Date: 2007-07-22 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffyannotater.livejournal.com
Great review! I agree with everything, and would respond further if I weren't incapable by the fact that, having just finished, my brain's a bowl of mush. Did want to comment on this though...

I think most people figured one of the Weasleys would buy it, but thought it would be Percy, in a gesture of redemption.

This is why the moment where Percy collapses over Fred's body, trying to protect it, had me in tears, more so than Fred's death itself. The idea of all the lost time between his family and him that he can never get back, and the fact that part of Percy had to have thought it should have been him.

Date: 2007-07-22 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Mind you, I always thought the twins were horrid to Percy (before the big fallout between him and the family, starting with Chambers of Secrets), but that sometimes happens in big families, and when push came to shove, they were brothers. And to finally have that connection, and then see Fred die - yes, it had me with a constricted throat, too.

Date: 2007-07-22 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com
I loved this book.
Great review, you've said all the things I've been thinking about but not able to get from my brain to my computer screen..so, I'm just going to link to this review in my LJ, if you don't mind!

Date: 2007-07-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com
Draco of the receding hairline having a son named Scorpius is going to send the Farscape fans into stitches.
I giggled insanely when I read that line in the book. Crossover fic is inevitable now..lol

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Date: 2007-07-22 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
I've been a Ron fan since book one, but he'd sort of fallen by the wayside for me in the last couple. The stormout bummed me but I sort of knew it was a setup for his return -- much like Buffy getting kicked out of the house in season 7 -- and the return scene was so great that icompletely restored me love. So here's one Ron fan who counts herself very pleased.

I thought the whole series of memories (of which the one Harry accessed in OotP turns out just to be a fragment) wonderfully avoided falling into several traps; because we don't get one single reason why Snape turns Death Eater.

Yes! One thing I think is quite nice about both Snape and Riddle's backstories is that it manages to avoid the "poor woobie, driven to evil" syndrome. And those stories have always paralleled Harry's a bit, but now Dumbledore is to some extent added to the group.

I also love love loved the Rita Skeeter bits, especially that she was right about some things.

Date: 2007-07-23 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
The Dumbledore backstory is a great Rashomon thing - first you have the hagiography by his devoted admirer, then you have Rita's dissection, then Ableforth's insider account, and finally Dumbledore's own confession, and to quote Obi-Wan, they're all true, from a certain point of view. But without Rita, none of those unpleasant truths would have come out, thus vindicating tabloid journalism forever.*g*

(Oh, and the title of her other biography: '"Armando Dippet - Master or Moron?" If you've read about Dippet in Chambers of Secret, the question is entirely legitimate.*g*)

Date: 2007-07-23 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobsonphile.livejournal.com
If I weren't so deathly afraid of Harry Potter fandom and so completely swamped by Darth Real Life, I'd be writing pages of Neville fic right now. *hearts*

Date: 2007-07-23 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Colour me utterly unsurprised that Neville is your favourite character.*g*

Date: 2007-07-24 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
Loved your review; agreed with it all, although you say it more aptly than I could.

Particularly like the way you summed up the new info on Dumbledore--I've quoted you a couple times already to RL friends:

His behaviour towards young Tom Riddle, Severus Snape and Harry Potter suddenly looks like a unified whole: as a young man just barely with his own touch of superbia behind him, he saw something of himself and Grindlewald in Tom, which made for an instinctive rejection; as an older man, he recognized the remorse and saw the potential for redemption in Severus; and as an old man, he saw Harry as someone utterly unlike himself.

Well said!

Dumbledore, now that I know you were a manipulative son of a bitch, I can embrace you completely. He IS rather great now, is he not?

Date: 2007-07-24 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
He is. *thinks fondly of other examples of this type fangirled in this very journal*

Date: 2007-07-25 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thalia-seawood.livejournal.com
I finished the book yesterday, but hadn't time yet to post about it.

Like you, I guessed right on 1), 2) and 4). Also expected some sort of journey to the underworld, though I thought the mirror would be the key to the underworld and not the Horcrux ring.
Also had thought that Harry's *scar* was a Horcrux - well, that counts as a close guess. :-))

I had, however, expected that Arthur Weasley would also die; I'm really happy he survived! (I read to today that she actually planned on killing him in book 5, but couldn't bear to do it.)

Am totally surprised that she did not kill anyone of the Malfoys! I was convinced that either Lucius, Narcissa or both would be killed. Am kind of touched that ultimatively both Lucius and Narcissa care about their son more than about fighting for Voldemort. (In this, Harry would approve of them.)

I really hope they cast a great Narcissa for the next movie! She's such a strong character, IMO, and much more collected than Lucius.

Loved the backstories for Dumbledore and Snape. (Dumbledore/Grindelwald is a definite possibility. :-))
Loved that all of Harry's heroes are shown to have flaws over the course of the series.

What do you make of the epilogue? Most fans seem to hate it, but I can't get upset about it. I can understand that she wanted to give the characters a positive future, e.g. Harry would love to have a family since he never grew up in a true family. I also liked Harry telling his son Albus that it would not be bad if he was sorted into Slytherin.

Date: 2007-07-26 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Narcissa got just cast for HBP: Naomi Watts, whom I've seen in King Kong, where she was excellent. So yes, a good Narcissa awaits, and I so agree she's the strongest of the Malfoys.

Dumbledore/Grindelwald: I don't think there is a single fan who doesn't see it.*g* ([livejournal.com profile] yahtzee63 suggested that since Dumbledore would be a young Richard Harris, who was quite the dish in his day, and one would have to cast an actor from the same generation, Grindelwald could only be a young Peter O'Toole.) And yes, those backstories were awesome.

Epilogue: I really don't get the epilogue hate (and the complaints that there is either too much or too little information). It's basically Sam Gamgee coming home and saying "well, I'm back": the assurance that life goes on, Harry has the family he always longed for, his friends are still his friends, and though some things remained the same, others changed, as encapsulated in his naming his son "Albus Severus", calling Snape the bravest man he ever knew and saying getting sorted into Slytherin is okay. That's mature and happy Harry 19 years later, and it's a good note to leave him with.

(Also, it's Rowling making sure and clear she's not going to write a sequel about Harry and Co. Other than killing your characters off, the one way to tell the public there won't be sequels is telling them they're having a happily ever after. Which is why Tolkien couldn't use Bilbo as the character going on the ring quest in LotR once he seriously plotted the story; he had finished The Hobbit explicitly stating Bilbo was going to live a long and happy life.)

Date: 2007-07-26 08:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] grav-ity.livejournal.com
I started to wonder about the movie during Hermione's torture scene and it all kind of went down hill from there...

I didn't really think about Harry Potter much before it came out. My Harry Potter friends are all on a different continent, and I love the internet but it just isn't the same. However, while I was in Jordan in the month before the book came out, I read "The Black Jewels Trilogy" and there's a line which states, clearly and simply, the essence of Snape. And now I feel stupid for not thinking of it myself, but I am doing my best to disseminate it:

"The friend who will become an enemy to remain a friend."

Snape takes it a little bit further (as you said, there is no excuse for his treatment of Neville or that crack about the teeth), which leads me to believe that he is not evil the way Voldemort is nor is he stupid the way Wormtongue is nor is he anything like the Malfoys. He's just rotten. He had one good thing in his life, but it was too late and he wrecked it and all he's done ever since is stew. For me, tearing the picture up and taking the half with Lily in it, shows that he never accepted Lily Potter as a person. She was always Lily Evans and he could never have her and he rotted.

The Scorpius part made me giggle a lot.

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