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Still on a Deathly Hallows note:



There are great fanfic opportunities to fill in what everyone else was doing while the trio was on their quest, and here are some great results:

All those empty spaces : Petunia during that year, with the Dursleys forced to hide.

Five Moments of Doubt: meanwhile, at Hogwarts. Great, great look at various members of the ensemble (Professor Sprout, Ginny, Neville and Minerva McGonnegal) and through them at Snape.


[livejournal.com profile] rozk has posted her insightful review, connecting the novel with fantasy tradition.


And some scattered thoughts that occured to me while reading everyone else's meta:



It says something (good) about the text that (some) Marauder fans and Snape fans feel their favourite(s) were treated unjustly as opposed to the other. I've seen Sirius fans complaining that not only gets Kreacher redeemed but Harry comes to agree with the viewpoint voiced by Hermione (and Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix) that Sirius treated Kreacher horridly; complaining that we don't hear enough about how horrible it was for Sirius to be forced to live again in the house he had escaped as a youth. (My take on this is that we heard quite a lot on that in OotP, which did present us with Sirius' pov on the Black family and having to live in Grimmauld Place. I didn't see the need for a rehash. Also, some of Sirius' comments if repeated would make him look very callous, notably his dismissal of his brother and Kreacher's loyalty to the (other) members of the Black family.) Then there's the whole Remus issue (as mentioned before, I didn't see his actions as ooc and agree with this post that some of the flaws Remus displays in DH have been hinted at as early as PoA, usually seen as the Remus And Sirius Yay! book; of course, the biggest complaint re: Remus is his off stage death, which usually gets compared to Dobby's death scene and funeral, and/or Snape's death and chapter-long background exploration. Not by part of Snape fandom, though. No, to them, Snape dying at all (and not in a blaze of glory/dramatic gesture but as part of Voldemort wanting a weapons upgrade) is the ultimate insult, crowned by lack of public rehabilitation (I don't know, I thought that was precisely what Harry was doing when bringing up Snape's true allegiance in front of the entire school, aurors, and assorted surviving forces of good during his showdown with Voldemort). Snape's relationship with Lily: I've seen meta where readers loved it, I've seen meta where reader's hate it because, runs the argument, it means Snape never had a moral awakening at all and is less complex a character if he did it all because as a nine years old, he befriended a neighbourhood girl and loved her for the rest of his life.

Now, leaving aside that the ability to love is a crucial virtue in JKR's universe (like it or not, those are the established rules and were from the first volume onwards), I thought that the chapter in question, The Prince's Tale, did among other things a great job in making Snape's relationships with both Lily and Dumbledore layered, and yes, show something like a moral awakening. First, Lily. Crucial here is imo that this isn't some unrequited crush from afar. Lily might never have loved Severus Snape romantically (or maybe she has, we just don't know, we only have Snape's pov on the memories, and he doesn't seem to think so), but he was her friend and she was his. This friendship continued until their fifth year at Hogwarts; five years in a climate of violent partisanship between Gryffindor and Slytherin, which can't have been easy for either of them. We certainly have no other example of such a friendship in Harry's generation; during Harry's fifth year, at the Sorting Hat's song, Ron dismisses the mere idea as unthinkable. Just as importantly, the friendship doesn't end because Lily falls in love with James Potter. When it ends, she still doesn't like James or the other Marauders more than she did at age 11 in the train to Hogwarts. (And btw, someone brilliantly pointed out what had escaped me, that the scene with Lily, Snape, James and Sirius echoes Harry, Ron and Draco in the first novel; a skinny black haired boy, his red haired friend and the child of privilege making arrogant claims.) Nor does it end because of the single insult, "filthy little mudblood", which is just the straw that breaks the camel's back. "But you call everyone of my heritage that," Lily says to Severus when he tries to apologize. "Why should I be any different?" As with her charge that he's aiming to be a Death Eater, he has no reply for that. Because he might be sorry for insulting his friend, but at this point, young Snape certainly believes the ideology, and that's what Lily can no longer stomach. To make a rl analogy, if there's a childhood friendship between a white boy and a black girl, and several years later he hangs out with racists who make no bones of the the fact they intend to join the Ku Klux Klan once they graduate, with the full intention of lynching as many people of colour as possible, he starts to use racist epitaphs left and right and finally calls her "nigger", too - well, then it's really not a surprise if the girl considers this reason enough to end the relationship. Even though she knows said boy partly came to hang out with the future Ku Klux Klan crowd because he got bullied by some of her classmates. (Whom, again, she's not friends with at this stage.)

The Lily memories lead over to the Dumbledore memories, and that second relationship is, imo, just as important. The first of these is unlike any Snape-leaves-the-Death Eaters scene from fanfic I've ever read (as in said fanfic Dumbledore is usually being Mr. Compassion, warm and welcoming). Here, he's harsh, to put it mildly, and utterly ruthless. Which is rather important for Snape's development if you ask me, because what he gets Snape to admit - that Snape is afraid for Lily and Lily alone (him not being concerned for James is one thing, and absolutely understandable, but there is baby Harry, and that baby really hasn't done anything to him) - certainly warrants that harshness, not a pat on the back. Snape at this stage is changing sides because of personal loyalty, not because he can't stand what Voldemort does in general any longer. However, this is not where it ends. Two memories later, we've arrived in the Philosopher's Stone era, with Snape ranting about Harry at age 11, and Dumbledore calmly telling him he's projecting while continuing to read his newspaper. Now depending on your take on Headmaster Now Revealed To Be Morally Ambiguous Enough To Make Machiavelli Hesitant, you can see this as contemptous on Dumbledore's part and Snape chaffing under an obligation he was morally blackmailed into... or as two people who in the intervening years have grown very accustomed to each other. Supporting the later reading are two memories that follow. There is Snape's reaction to Dumbledore's suicidal ring quest when he's doing his best to heal him (which is more or less "why did you hurt yourself, you idiot?!?"), followed by a passage that's downright mushy for Snape:

"I am fortunate, extremely fortunate, that I have you, Severus."
"If you had only summoned me a little earlier, I might have been able to do more, buy you more time!" said Snape furiously.


I'd say this is as close as Snape gets to declaring his caring feelings for anyone not Lily Evans. Of course, Dumbledore pounces at once and follows this up with manouevring Snape into his promise to kill him. The moment itself is a great mutual trading in sarcasm:

"Would you like me to do it now?" asked Snape, his voice heavy with irony. "Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?"
"Oh, not quite yet," said Dumbledore, smiling. "I daresay the moment will present itself in due course."


It's a long way from "help Lily" and "you disgust me". Crushing hopes from the Snape/Draco camp, Snape next suggests that Dumbledore could simply let Draco kill him, and replies to Dumbledore's "That boy's soul is not yet so damaged. I would not have it ripped apart on my account" with "And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?" Which on the one hand you can read as selfish from Snape, but on the other also as an abhorrence of killing itself. Not just the killing of the one person other than Lily he has personal ties with, because after Dumbledore delivered his bombshell - that they have kept Harry alive so Harry can let himself be killed by Voldemort - , we get this:

"Don't be shocked, Severus. How mny men and women have you watched die?"
"Lately, only those whom I could not save," said Snape.


Yes, he's shocked at the Harry-as-pig-for-slaughter idea because Harry is Lily's son and keeping Lily's son alive is his primary mission, but that's not all. Men and women he could not save - or could -, plural. He's not in the business of just keeping Harry (or Dumbledore, for that matter) alive. This being Snape, you don't get a "I get it now: nobody deserves to be killed by Voldemort, not just Lily" monologue, but this sentence - "Lately, only those whom I could not save" - to me delivers exactly that message.

And Dumbledore? Does he still see Snape as nothing but an extremely useful intrument in the fight against Voldemort? I don't think so. At the end of this particular memory, Dumbledore has what he wanted from Snape, the promise to kill him, the promise to keep the school as safe as he can afterwards, the promise to deliver the you-must-let-Voldemort-kill-you message to Harry. So what follows when he sees Snape's Patronus - the silver doe in memory of Lily - has nothing to do with getting anything. (...)he turned back to Snape, and his eyes were full of tears. "After all this time?" "Always," said Snape. The only other time I recall that we see Dumbledore cry is with the Inferi in HBP, confronted with the ghosts of his past. (He might also have cried for Harry at some point in the books, but I'm not sure about that.) Here, he cries for Severus Snape. Doesn't mean he's not willing to go on using him - any more than his affection for Harry stops him from using Harry - but he grieves for Snape, and Snape's life. Going into more speculative territory, I'd venture that post-Grindelwald, Snape was the person he had the most honest and closest relationship with. (And yes, that includes McGonnegal; based on the snippets of conversations we get between them, theirs was a respectful friendship with however McGonnegal having no idea of Dumbledore's more ruthless side.)

For this complexity, and for many other reasons, the final volume of the Potter saga might just be my favourite of them all.

Date: 2007-07-26 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
I absolutely love all your Harry Potter meta - this is another post for my memroies :)

Date: 2007-07-26 06:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-07-26 08:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-07-26 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Wow, this is a great analysis of Snape and Dumbledore's relationship, and I think you're dead on --

I really need to re-read "Half-Blood Prince" with this in mind; I remember being frustrated at trying to figure out what was going on with them, and the scenes in "The Prince's Tale" do so much to answer it.

Date: 2007-07-26 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
There is a lot of continuity gold between the two books - well, between any of the books and this one, of course -; for example in HBP Hagrid tells the trio he overheard Dumbledore talking to Snape and Snape saying Dumbledore took too much for granted, and maybe he didn't want to do "it" anymore; Dumbledore tells Harry Snape fixed him up with a potion after D. recovered the ring; and of course the actual death scene. (As I wrote in my review of DH, it was the "Severus, please" that settled it for me when HBP came out, because no way would Rowling have written Dumbledore pleading for his life, which meant he was asking Snape to keep his promise and kill him.)

So, Albus D and Charles Xavier: soulmates? *g*

Date: 2007-07-26 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Dude, I keep forgetting Grindenwald's name and just calling him "Magneto."

Date: 2007-07-26 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*g* She really could have just called him Erik instead of Gellert while she was at it.

Date: 2007-07-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladystarlightsj.livejournal.com
I think this analysis of Snape is dead-on and partly why I was so satisfied with the ending of the series.

Date: 2007-07-26 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Same here.

Date: 2007-07-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
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I'd venture that post-Grindelwald, Snape was the person he had the most honest and closest relationship with.

I'm sure you're right. I got the impression that neither of them had to pretend with the other by the end.

Many thanks for all the fic recs which I've been devouring. Excellent Petunia fic really bringing out the in many ways tragic aspects of her knowledge of the Wizarding World that she can never be a part of.

Date: 2007-07-26 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
New canon always makes for new fanfic, which is lovely. Re: Petunia, ever since Order of the Phoenix revealed that she knew about Dementors (and it's such a neat bit of continuity - when asked how, Petunia says "I heard that awful boy tell her about them", and fandom along with Harry assumed she was talking of James, but it was Snape!), knew quite clearly who Voldemort was and had corresponded a bit with Dumbledore, I saw her as a person instead of a caricature in the Roald Dahl vein, and those additional bits of background in DH were great to read.

Date: 2007-07-26 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vonnie-k.livejournal.com
What a fabulous meta. I found myself nodding my head along with the every point you made. Especially the gradual transformation of Snape over the years. It wasn't the rejection by Lily that turned him toward death-eaters -- he was already one foot into that path -- and I LOVED how freakin' cold and harsh Dumbledore is with Snape when Snape first comes to him, desperate for Lily's safety. The relationship between Snape and Dumbledore was so rich and complex, and I'm massively impressed with Rowling for what she pulled off re. the Snape characterization.

thanks!

Date: 2007-07-26 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
So am I. She never either demonized or romantisized him; and he didn't have a Damascus experience either when becoming a Death Eater nor when leaving that path. And I loved, loved, loved those conversations with Dumbledore, which I hope will inspire a lot of fanfic, because I want more of same.*g*

Date: 2007-07-26 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorh.livejournal.com
It occurs to me that what we learned about Snape's relationship with Lily puts a whole new spin on "Snape's Worst Memory"; it's not the humiliation that's so painful, but the recollection that he turned on the woman he loved and that their relationship was subsequently broken.

BTW, did you get my last email? Been awhile, is all.

Date: 2007-07-26 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
No, I didn't! Get your last email, that is! If you wrote one after my last, which was weeks and weeks ago? Unless you didn't get mine?

And yes, the "worst memory" appellation definitely refers to the breakup with Lily, not one in what was probably a lot of similar enounters with the Marauders.

Date: 2007-07-26 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorh.livejournal.com
Well, crap. I sent one a couple of weeks ago. Guess I'll have to try, try again. Annoyed now.

Date: 2007-07-26 04:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
Hiya! are you around? I need to ask you something...

Redemption creep

Date: 2007-07-26 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
This being Snape, you don't get a "I get it now: nobody deserves to be killed by Voldemort, not just Lily" monologue, but this sentence - "Lately, only those whom I could not save" - to me delivers exactly that message.

Oh, bless you, that's a wonderful point to make. Snape's life as redemption creep (like mission creep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_creep).) Snape does slouch towards Bethlehem after all/

Re: Redemption creep

Date: 2007-07-26 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Oh, I love that term. Thanks for enriching my English vocabulary! Also, I'm around for about the next two hours or so.

Date: 2007-07-26 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
The Dumbledore development was most wonderful, and I am quite pleased about the Snape storyline as well -- great points here.

Date: 2007-07-26 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yahtzee63.livejournal.com
(him not being concerned for James is one thing, and absolutely understandable,

I've really, really got to disagree. Really strongly. I mean, I will put my own miserable bullied time in school up against Snape's any day of the week, and I loathed those kids a lot too, but if there had ever been one second when I'd genuinely believed their lives to be in jeopardy, I'd have been concerned enough for their welfare to act and to worry. This is not because I'm some extra-peachy human being, either, because I'm not. Snape doesn't have to be rending his clothes in frantic anguish over James Potter's welfare, but being completely emotionally blank about whether or not the guy lives or dies is extremely cold.

Also, although you can argue that Snape adopts his attitudes as a response to James, Sirius, et al, and this is posibly true, I don't think the canon either strongly implies or negates it.

Date: 2007-07-26 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Yes, but you, presumably, would not have joined Voldemort to begin with, not even as a teenager fresh from school. Snape is someone who didn't just join but participate in Voldemort's actions for years; at this point, he must have killed and participated in killing (and torture) on an ongoing basis for years, too.

So I'm really not surprised he has no consideration for the life of James. If he were the kind of person who would have had, he wouldn't have joined Voldemort before...

Date: 2007-07-26 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spectralbovine.livejournal.com
Awesome. Very insightful! I always found Snape to be a complex character, and this book made him even moreso. And Dumbledore! Thanks for putting it all together.

Date: 2007-07-27 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're very welcome.

Date: 2007-07-26 08:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kangeiko
This is fab, and I totally agree on your analysis of the Snape and Dumbledore relationship. *adds to bookmarks*

Date: 2007-07-26 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I've seen meta where reader's hate it because, runs the argument, it means Snape never had a moral awakening at all and is less complex a character if he did it all because as a nine years old, he befriended a neighbourhood girl and loved her for the rest of his life.

o.O ...but why does that motivation make him a less complex character?

Incidentally I had a lengthy conversation with a friend of mine on this very subject this afternoon, and we both agreed that Snape's personal arc was one of the most complex - and ultimately, one of the most satisfying - in the whole series - and she loves him dearly, while I heartily dislike him. In other words, I completely agree with you.

(I also had a very cute encounter on train while going back home; a man was talking to a friend on the phone and kept musing who that girl was whom Teddy had been snogging in the epilogue, until I told him that it was Bill and Fleur's daughter, which amused him a great deal.)

Date: 2007-07-27 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
o.O ...but why does that motivation make him a less complex character?

Because according to the reasoning, love is a primary reason for a change is simple...

(It occurs to me that of the three characters the books present as having been either on their way to the Dark Side, to use SW terms, or completely there, and having turned back - Regulus Black, Snape, and Dumbledore - all three changed their way because of personal ties. Regulus when he saw how Voldemort had treated Kreacher, Dumbledore when his sister died, and Snape when Voldemort threatened and then killed Lily. Which makes psychological sense to me.)

I also had a very cute encounter on train while going back home; a man was talking to a friend on the phone and kept musing who that girl was whom Teddy had been snogging in the epilogue, until I told him that it was Bill and Fleur's daughter, which amused him a great deal.

LOL. Ah, the difference between casual readers and fans. I doubt any of the fans, whether they hated the epilogue or not, had doubts who Victoire was.*g*

Date: 2007-07-27 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obsession-inc.livejournal.com
Because according to the reasoning, love is a primary reason for a change is simple...

Good lord. I'm trying to wrap my head around that one. How is that simple? He loved her, and yes, her influence-- as possibly the one true and loving relationship of his wretched young life-- was what planted a seed in him that later grew into the stalwart core that allowed him to lead that double life and become a good man, but... dude. That's all it was: the seed. If Dumbledore hadn't been there to patch him up and challenge him to a new mission and to be his confessor and guide and (eventually) friend, then would Snape have pulled his head out of his ass and became that good man on his own, just because Voldemort killed Lily? I very much doubt it. Lily may have been the reason-- and at first the ONLY reason-- but Dumbledore gave him a path, and I think that did more.

It occurs to me that of the three characters the books present as having been either on their way to the Dark Side, to use SW terms, or completely there, and having turned back - Regulus Black, Snape, and Dumbledore - all three changed their way because of personal ties.

And all three victims were of questionable worth to the people who loved them, but were loved anyway; Dumbledore's sister was half-mad and an embarrassment and had already killed their mother by accident and who was keeping Dumbledore tied down at home, Lily was a Muggle-born and hadn't spoken to Snape in years AND had married his nemesis, and Kreacher was, well, just a house elf. By the general rules of how these guys operated at the time that the incidents occurred, they shouldn't have mattered... but they did.

Date: 2007-07-27 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Good lord. I'm trying to wrap my head around that one. How is that simple?

I entirely agree. It's anything but.

And all three victims were of questionable worth to the people who loved them, but were loved anyway; Dumbledore's sister was half-mad and an embarrassment and had already killed their mother by accident and who was keeping Dumbledore tied down at home, Lily was a Muggle-born and hadn't spoken to Snape in years AND had married his nemesis, and Kreacher was, well, just a house elf. By the general rules of how these guys operated at the time that the incidents occurred, they shouldn't have mattered... but they did.

Very good point. Yes, that's another thing all three have in common - the victims should not have mattered, and yet they made all the difference.

Date: 2007-07-26 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolivingman.livejournal.com
For this complexity, and for many other reasons, the final volume of the Potter saga might just be my favourite of them all.

Yes, absolutely, and thank you for this post that speaks to that more coherently than I've been able to. It *is* my favorite. She took two characters that I didn't really fidn all that interesting - Dumbledore and Snape - and made them complex in and of themselves, and fascinating together. I LOVE this book.

Date: 2007-07-27 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
And of how many conclusions of a multi-part saga can we say that? *hearts the book*

Date: 2007-07-26 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikendru.livejournal.com
Oh, excellent meta!

I had to smile at this line, though: I've seen meta where readers loved it, I've seen meta where reader's hate it because, runs the argument, it means Snape never had a moral awakening at all and is less complex a character if he did it all because as a nine years old, he befriended a neighbourhood girl and loved her for the rest of his life. because that same argument has been going the rounds for years in my "other" fandom - did Spike have a moral awakening, or was everything good he tried to do only because he loved Buffy (or conversely, "to get into her pants".)

I really felt that I understood Snape better after this last book, and it makes perfect sense that at the beginning he only cared about Lily, but eventually, the caring grew to include Dawn Dumbledore and ultimately "those whom I could not save".

Wonderful meta - thank you for writing it.

*off to check out your fic recs*

Date: 2007-07-27 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
because that same argument has been going the rounds for years in my "other" fandom - did Spike have a moral awakening, or was everything good he tried to do only because he loved Buffy (or conversely, "to get into her pants".)

I remember! At least the Potterverse doesn't have the additional complication of the soul/soullessness state to argue about. *veg*

Date: 2007-07-26 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cordelianne.livejournal.com
This is awesome meta! I've really loved reading all your posts about HP - they're all very thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thanks! :D

Date: 2007-07-26 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenbookwench.livejournal.com
I've really enjoyed your meta, and I quite agree with your take on the complexities of the Snape&Dumbledore & Snape&Lily relationships. I agree with you that Remus's actions were fairly in-character, as pointed back to PoA--his weakness has always been failure to act. Still, I am a bit disappointed by his off-stage death. I felt he was a more significant character than that.

Date: 2007-07-27 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com
Fabulous meta, especially with the trust between Dumbledore and Snape. In the case of Snape asking for Lily's life, not James's or Harry's, I thought that the moral failing was not asking for James's life - there is no way that he can ask Voldemort to spare Harry. Harry is the main target. Snape could, however, ask for Harry's parents to be spared, but he didn't give a thought to what Lily might want, just what he himself wanted.

Date: 2007-07-27 08:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2007-07-27 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obsession-inc.livejournal.com
AWESOME meta. Many hearty handshakes all around.

There's so much glorious stuff to fill in with fanfiction, I don't know what I want to read the most. The years of friendship between Lily and Snape? The years after she finally broke with him, and Snape went to the Death Eaters while having to deal with the knowledge that she'd married Potter? (And, all things considered, did he feel vengeful? Did he convince himself that he hated her? Was it the shock of knowing she was going to be killed that finally snapped him out of his pretense of not caring about her at all?)

But really, I mostly just want to see more about the time right after the Potters' deaths, with Dumbledore and Snape. Snape was clearly suicidal and I can't imagine that was easy to patch up when his only confessor and ally was Dumbledore, who clearly still thought he was scum. (Scum he could use, though. Oh, Dumbledore; so manipulative of EVERYONE.) It must have just been a horrible mess. Clearly the former Death Eaters would not have been sympathetic to his woe, so... yup, only Dumbledore. And Snape still didn't care about anyone else, just Lily, so Dumbledore is trying to make an amoral bastard into a useful ally... seriously, must have been great times.

Hell, I need good past-years fic. Where does one go? Any recs?

Date: 2007-07-27 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maybemabel.livejournal.com
Hi, you don't know me, but I really love what you've written here. I completely agree. I also think that Snape's death WAS heroic and important. If Voldemort hadn't thought he had control of the Elder Wand, he would never have gone after Harry.

Date: 2007-07-30 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deevalish.livejournal.com
I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you on so many things here, in regards to Snae that it's made me so happy to know thta there are many other people out there who feel and see the same things I do about Snape. Amazing take.

Date: 2007-07-31 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2007-09-25 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I really enjoyed your analysis of the Snape-Dumbledore relationship. To me this relationship was the most complex and fascinating in the series. I think you completely nail it when you identify the HONESTY in the relationship, and I think that honesty cut both ways: Dumbledore was the only person truly capable of understanding both the best and worst of Snape (Lily averted her eyes from the worst after a certain point because she couldn't bear to look at it, but Dumbledore didn't), and Snape was the only person to whom Dumbledore directly confided his willingness to sacrifice Harry for the greater good. I think the glimpses of the Snape/Dumbledore relationship revealed in DH also gave shading and depth to Snape's hatred for Harry: at a certain point Snape seemed like an older brother in competition with a younger, more favored one for his father's love and approval (when S. was complaining that Dumbledore trusted Harry more than he trusted him, e.g.). Certain Biblical echoes in that for me: Cain/Abel, Esau/Jacob, e.g. And speaking of Harry and Snape as symbolic brothers: has anyone else seen a parallel between the 3 "half-blood princes" and the 3 brothers in the story of the Deathly Hallows? I.e. Voldemort = the brother who asked for the Elder Wand (and died of his quest for power); Snape = the middle brother who couldn't move past his grief over his lost love (and died of suicide), and Harry = the trickster youngest who managed a happy life and death of old age?

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