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selenakWhile I wait for today's conference to begin, a meme from various people on my flist:
A list of ten things that you love about your current fandom(s) posted to LJ and a challenge to all of your f'list to do the same.
Because I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll start with one of my older fandoms:
Babylon 5
1) More than a decade now, and it's still the arc show to end all arc shows. And not just one arc. I'm obviously biased towards the Centauri side of things - which is an extra point - but B5 has multiple storylines that get developed through five years, giving it its rich ensemble texture, and I really love that it's not just one story (say, the Sheridan/Delenn tale, or the Ivanova tale). It probably spoiled me once and for all in this regard; I remember watching Farscape - which I did love - and saying to myself, yes, but you know, if this were B5, Chiana and D'Argo and Rygel would all have their own arcs...
2) Londo Mollari, of the House Mollari. I've written a long essay as to why he's the most fascinating character on tv for me, and will just be lazy and refer you to it.
3) Friendships. Whether it's Sinclair and Garibaldi, Vir and Londo, Garibaldi and first Londo, then G'Kar, Ivanova and Sheridan, B5 is a great show for friendships. For the most part, it's the friendship moments that make me tear up or stay with me, not the romance moments - Garibaldi finding out that Sinclair came and left without talking to him, and then finding out why through Sinclair's last message, Vir and Londo in just about every scene but them singing arias together in "Knives" or the hug in "Into the Fire" comes immediately to mind, or a light, funny scene like Sheridan making Ivanova participate in the strike about their quarters - I love this about the show.
4) "Being a freedom fighter, a force for good is a wonderful thing. You get to make your own hours, looks good on the resumé... but the pay sucks." Alfred Bester and his tendency to get the best lines (this one is from Moments of Transition in s4, and he's talking to Lyta Alexander) are definitely among my favourite things about B5. JMS used Bester as a straightforward villain in his first two episodes and then made him into something more complicated, an antagonist with an agenda that usually, but not always, brings him into conflict with the heroes (if they don't share interests) and who actually gets to win a lot of the time. Walter Koenig has more to do in one episode as Bester than he had as Chekov in an entire season of Star Trek, and makes the most of the opportunity. Witty, ruthless, and definitely convinced he's doing the best for "his" telepaths, Bester is my favourite B5 element unconnected to the Centauri arc.
5) Related to that: in the Babylon 5 universe, being a bad guy does not automatically mean you side with other bad guys (same is true for good guys as well). This is very refreshing and unusual, the genre expectations being what Gunn says in the Angel episode Habeas Corpses - "I don't get it - Wolfram and Hart is evil, the Big Bad is evil, why should he kill them?". B5 is great about allowing everyone their own agendas. Londo even during his darkest period, in early s3, comes to the conclusion that fighting wars on different fronts as the Shadows want the Centauri does not benefit Centauri Prime at all but endangers it, and hence refuses to play along; Bester is consistently anti-Shadows; Neroon, whom viewers might think of as a villain in s2 and 3 in his interactions with Delenn, proves that he is in fact devoted to the greater good (just as he said all the time) first and foremost in s4; Lyta has had it with being a tool for the light side just as much as she had it with being a tool for the Psi Corps years earlier and becomes an antagonist in s5.
6) Also related: the Vorlons and the Shadows being revealed as not that different, and both wrong. My problem with the way the Shadow arc is resolved in s4 can be summed up with one word: Lorien. Otoh, I did appreciate that all the previous hints about the Vorlons, from the fact they use Jack the Ripper as a interrogator to the way they programmed the younger races to see them as positive/divine beings in their true shape, paid off in s4, and, as importantly, without justifiying the Shadows (whose action remain as dastardly). I find that infinitely preferable to the way the Prophet/Pagh Wraith thing was handled on DS9 (one of the few grudges with my other beloved space station show I have), and the conclusion - for the younger races to turn their backs on both - is one I can agree on. (For all the LotR homages on B5, this is a direct rejection of the LotR model, btw.)
7) Christoph Franke's music throughout, and the fact each season got their own signature music in the credits. It contributes to the epic space opera feeling, and the score for Sleeping in Light is just heartbreakingly beautiful and makes me cry.
8) After years of wooing, JMS got Neil Gaiman to write an episode. Day of the Dead is one of my favourite elements both of s5 and the show as a whole and feels like an unofficial crossover with Sandman; in any event, it is a great character piece for Lochley, Lennier, Garibaldi and Londo, and uses its guest stars to showcase something about each character. The Emily Dickinson thing is something I shamelessly stole for one of my own stories.
9) Religion. JMS, much like Joss Whedon and Russel T. Davies, is one of those atheists who can't stop writing about religion and/or use religious imagery in his shows. This more often than not works very well indeed. (Not always: what works with G'Kar does not work with Sheridan, to name one example.) The multiple religions final scene from Parliament of Dreams in s1 remains one of the most humanist (in lack of a better term) images of the show, Passing through Gethsemane in my favourite standalone episode in s3, and whether it's the Minbaris' reincarnation beliefs, G'Kar's Narn faith or Franklin's Foundationist belief, they're all presented as important to these characters and part of who they are.
10) G'Kar. I don't mean just as a part of the amazing Londo and G'Kar arc, I mean G'Kar by himself. Just because I love my doomed Centauri a little bit better doesn't mean I don't adore the Narn. One of the greatest things about G'Kar: he was ready to question the very dogmas around which he had build his earlier lif. Yes, other characters had to do that, too (for example, Sheridan in early s2 says that his wife and his career were the two corner stones of his existence, and sure enough, he gets to lose both... but by the time he meets a Shadow-changed Anna again, he's already in love with Delenn, and when he turns his back on EarthForce, it's caused by the current leadership of Earth and with the awareness his friends and subordinates will go with him), but not to that much of a degree. G'Kar, after the Centauri departure from Narn, NOT joining in the revels and vowing revenge: this is truly breaking the cycle. And he's utterly alone in this. (He'll continue to be alone among the Narn, but for other reasons, in s5, as he becomes a religious idol; this is of course one of the wonderful ironies of the Londo/G'kar relationship, as it contributes to their closeness.) G'Kar being the only one to welcome Garibaldi with a hug (and what a hug) in s4, never mind what he went through himself; G'Kar singing to his food when preparing it in s1 (and singing to Londo, same tune with different words, when they're locked in a lift in s3); G'Kar being ready to hit on everything with a pulse and not having lost that hedonist element even in s5... he's terrific.
And now for a current fandom:
Heroes
1) Vive l'ensemble, again. Not all storylines in the first season have been written with the same care, not all have had the best execution, but still: this show goes for a tapestry, and in my favourite episodes, there isn't a single strand I want to miss, or am tempted to skip over.
2) Unabashed geekness. Peter Petrelli doesn't just have a comics-typical name (alliterative, same with Gabriel Gray aka Sylar, of course), his apartment has the same number as Xavier's school in Westchester for an address, Stan "the Man" Lee has a cameo (oh, and one of the FBI agents Jessica kills is called Quesada), Kaito Nakamura's car has the original Enterprise number, Hiro of course spouts references left, right and center, and somehow all of this is pulled off without alienating the mainstream audience who never read the X-Men comics or has seen more than the occasional Star Trek episode.
3) Great casting. Both with the leads and the guest stars; it reminds me of Alias in the way that the big names aren't just there because of same but are used very well indeed, whether it's George Takei, Christopher Eccleston or Malcolm McDowell. And you can see how the writers respond to the actors within the first season. Jack Coleman as Mr. Bennet was one of those cases where I didn't realize I had watched him for several years in a soap opera before, not just because he looks so different now but because he's so very, very very good as our Mr. Morally Grey. Christine Rose as Angela Petrelli does so very much in a few scenes that you can see why she got more and more prominence. And speaking of the Petrellis, while the pilot as written actually does already foreshadow the central importance of the brothers to the season, especially given the way said pilot ends, I think that might have changed had it not been for the way Adrian Pasdar and Milo Ventimiglia played their scenes.
4) Hiro Nakamura: is one of those charactes whose adorableness one doesn't even have to argue. Indeed there is the danger of him being so adorable one is tempted to see Hiro as a walking teddy bear, which is why it's good that the writers also give him very serious material (notably in Six Months Ago and Five Years Gone); much like Vir Cotto in B5, there are times where Hiro becomes the conscience and the ethics of the show. (One of my favourite Hiro scenes is the argument with Ando from The Hard Part about whether or not to kill Sylar, and Hiro's response to Ando's "Future Hiro would have" is perhaps my Hiro line of the season. Other than "Yatta!" and "Flying Man!", you know.)
5) Fresh twists on very familiar concepts: there's the road movie (Hiro and Ando on their adventures, and in a darker black humour variation Mohinder and Sylar later in the season), young insecure hero discovers his powers with help of trusty mentor who soon dies (which is given a very black twist with Gabriel Gray and Chandra Suresh), the X-Files believer/sceptic agent duo (Matt and Audrey Hanson; I so loved Audrey and hope she'll be back in s2!); and I love the way Claire is recognizably influenced by early Buffy and yet completely her own person. My very favourite twist, of course, remains the Nathan-has-superpowers revelation and its follow-up.
6) With the exception of Claire, the regulars aren't teenagers or very young adults, and the show reflects that. Not that I have lost my BTVS love (though I am in the minory who likes the later BTVS season better), but I find all these adults - who have jobs, and some of which have families of their own - having to deal with the whole superpowers thing - one of the things about Heroes that I love. While the writing for Niki has been shaky, I do appreciate she's a young woman and a mother in a tv landscape where women usually are either young and single and at least supposedly under 30 if not under 20, or mothers over 40 and then not the protagonists any longer, which is frustrating. Similarly, Nathan being married with children contributes to his abnormality in a superhero world. Mr. Bennet's family man status is as intricate to his storyline as his being the Company's tag-and-bag-man pre-Company Man, and of course the element that ties him to Claire. Ted's marriage is crucial to his motivation. And there are all sorts of intriguing hints about the previous generation - Angela, Kaito Nakamura, Linderman and Charles Deveaux - which I'm looking foward to seeing more of in the next season.
7) Endearing one-shot (or two-shot) characters. Charlie first and foremost, but also Dale Smither, the woman with super hearing, or the hapless original Zane of melting metal fame. As I said in my Six Months Ago meta, once you have a serial killer as a regular, you need to make sure his victims aren't cyphers but are people the viewer gets attached to so the enormity of his actions isn't played down, and to me, Heroes managed to do that with these characters.
8) Petrellis. I would be dishonest to pretend otherwise: the Petrelli clan pushes my "dysfunctional families" button in a big way. Which is why my s2 wish list has items like "more with and about Angela, do tell about the late Petrelli Senior, more Heidi, do not let Claire forget her Petrelli issues, and of course, give me more of the brothers". I suppose another brunch of supreme awkwardness and manipulation is too much to ask for, given storylines, but maybe in late s2...? Anyway: as![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
cadesama once said, the Petrelis aren't screwed up because they have superpowers, they're screwed up because they're them, and that's yet another reason for my love.
9) Optimism. For all my thing for dark storylines, I also am a cautious optimist; Star Trek in all its incarnations is still dear to me, and thus, the show's mixture of sadness and hope is must right for me - some tragedies can't be prevented, but it is also possible to make a difference. I find that very appealing indeed.
10) Aside from them being great as their characters - how could I not love the cast when they do stuff like this?
A list of ten things that you love about your current fandom(s) posted to LJ and a challenge to all of your f'list to do the same.
Because I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll start with one of my older fandoms:
Babylon 5
1) More than a decade now, and it's still the arc show to end all arc shows. And not just one arc. I'm obviously biased towards the Centauri side of things - which is an extra point - but B5 has multiple storylines that get developed through five years, giving it its rich ensemble texture, and I really love that it's not just one story (say, the Sheridan/Delenn tale, or the Ivanova tale). It probably spoiled me once and for all in this regard; I remember watching Farscape - which I did love - and saying to myself, yes, but you know, if this were B5, Chiana and D'Argo and Rygel would all have their own arcs...
2) Londo Mollari, of the House Mollari. I've written a long essay as to why he's the most fascinating character on tv for me, and will just be lazy and refer you to it.
3) Friendships. Whether it's Sinclair and Garibaldi, Vir and Londo, Garibaldi and first Londo, then G'Kar, Ivanova and Sheridan, B5 is a great show for friendships. For the most part, it's the friendship moments that make me tear up or stay with me, not the romance moments - Garibaldi finding out that Sinclair came and left without talking to him, and then finding out why through Sinclair's last message, Vir and Londo in just about every scene but them singing arias together in "Knives" or the hug in "Into the Fire" comes immediately to mind, or a light, funny scene like Sheridan making Ivanova participate in the strike about their quarters - I love this about the show.
4) "Being a freedom fighter, a force for good is a wonderful thing. You get to make your own hours, looks good on the resumé... but the pay sucks." Alfred Bester and his tendency to get the best lines (this one is from Moments of Transition in s4, and he's talking to Lyta Alexander) are definitely among my favourite things about B5. JMS used Bester as a straightforward villain in his first two episodes and then made him into something more complicated, an antagonist with an agenda that usually, but not always, brings him into conflict with the heroes (if they don't share interests) and who actually gets to win a lot of the time. Walter Koenig has more to do in one episode as Bester than he had as Chekov in an entire season of Star Trek, and makes the most of the opportunity. Witty, ruthless, and definitely convinced he's doing the best for "his" telepaths, Bester is my favourite B5 element unconnected to the Centauri arc.
5) Related to that: in the Babylon 5 universe, being a bad guy does not automatically mean you side with other bad guys (same is true for good guys as well). This is very refreshing and unusual, the genre expectations being what Gunn says in the Angel episode Habeas Corpses - "I don't get it - Wolfram and Hart is evil, the Big Bad is evil, why should he kill them?". B5 is great about allowing everyone their own agendas. Londo even during his darkest period, in early s3, comes to the conclusion that fighting wars on different fronts as the Shadows want the Centauri does not benefit Centauri Prime at all but endangers it, and hence refuses to play along; Bester is consistently anti-Shadows; Neroon, whom viewers might think of as a villain in s2 and 3 in his interactions with Delenn, proves that he is in fact devoted to the greater good (just as he said all the time) first and foremost in s4; Lyta has had it with being a tool for the light side just as much as she had it with being a tool for the Psi Corps years earlier and becomes an antagonist in s5.
6) Also related: the Vorlons and the Shadows being revealed as not that different, and both wrong. My problem with the way the Shadow arc is resolved in s4 can be summed up with one word: Lorien. Otoh, I did appreciate that all the previous hints about the Vorlons, from the fact they use Jack the Ripper as a interrogator to the way they programmed the younger races to see them as positive/divine beings in their true shape, paid off in s4, and, as importantly, without justifiying the Shadows (whose action remain as dastardly). I find that infinitely preferable to the way the Prophet/Pagh Wraith thing was handled on DS9 (one of the few grudges with my other beloved space station show I have), and the conclusion - for the younger races to turn their backs on both - is one I can agree on. (For all the LotR homages on B5, this is a direct rejection of the LotR model, btw.)
7) Christoph Franke's music throughout, and the fact each season got their own signature music in the credits. It contributes to the epic space opera feeling, and the score for Sleeping in Light is just heartbreakingly beautiful and makes me cry.
8) After years of wooing, JMS got Neil Gaiman to write an episode. Day of the Dead is one of my favourite elements both of s5 and the show as a whole and feels like an unofficial crossover with Sandman; in any event, it is a great character piece for Lochley, Lennier, Garibaldi and Londo, and uses its guest stars to showcase something about each character. The Emily Dickinson thing is something I shamelessly stole for one of my own stories.
9) Religion. JMS, much like Joss Whedon and Russel T. Davies, is one of those atheists who can't stop writing about religion and/or use religious imagery in his shows. This more often than not works very well indeed. (Not always: what works with G'Kar does not work with Sheridan, to name one example.) The multiple religions final scene from Parliament of Dreams in s1 remains one of the most humanist (in lack of a better term) images of the show, Passing through Gethsemane in my favourite standalone episode in s3, and whether it's the Minbaris' reincarnation beliefs, G'Kar's Narn faith or Franklin's Foundationist belief, they're all presented as important to these characters and part of who they are.
10) G'Kar. I don't mean just as a part of the amazing Londo and G'Kar arc, I mean G'Kar by himself. Just because I love my doomed Centauri a little bit better doesn't mean I don't adore the Narn. One of the greatest things about G'Kar: he was ready to question the very dogmas around which he had build his earlier lif. Yes, other characters had to do that, too (for example, Sheridan in early s2 says that his wife and his career were the two corner stones of his existence, and sure enough, he gets to lose both... but by the time he meets a Shadow-changed Anna again, he's already in love with Delenn, and when he turns his back on EarthForce, it's caused by the current leadership of Earth and with the awareness his friends and subordinates will go with him), but not to that much of a degree. G'Kar, after the Centauri departure from Narn, NOT joining in the revels and vowing revenge: this is truly breaking the cycle. And he's utterly alone in this. (He'll continue to be alone among the Narn, but for other reasons, in s5, as he becomes a religious idol; this is of course one of the wonderful ironies of the Londo/G'kar relationship, as it contributes to their closeness.) G'Kar being the only one to welcome Garibaldi with a hug (and what a hug) in s4, never mind what he went through himself; G'Kar singing to his food when preparing it in s1 (and singing to Londo, same tune with different words, when they're locked in a lift in s3); G'Kar being ready to hit on everything with a pulse and not having lost that hedonist element even in s5... he's terrific.
And now for a current fandom:
Heroes
1) Vive l'ensemble, again. Not all storylines in the first season have been written with the same care, not all have had the best execution, but still: this show goes for a tapestry, and in my favourite episodes, there isn't a single strand I want to miss, or am tempted to skip over.
2) Unabashed geekness. Peter Petrelli doesn't just have a comics-typical name (alliterative, same with Gabriel Gray aka Sylar, of course), his apartment has the same number as Xavier's school in Westchester for an address, Stan "the Man" Lee has a cameo (oh, and one of the FBI agents Jessica kills is called Quesada), Kaito Nakamura's car has the original Enterprise number, Hiro of course spouts references left, right and center, and somehow all of this is pulled off without alienating the mainstream audience who never read the X-Men comics or has seen more than the occasional Star Trek episode.
3) Great casting. Both with the leads and the guest stars; it reminds me of Alias in the way that the big names aren't just there because of same but are used very well indeed, whether it's George Takei, Christopher Eccleston or Malcolm McDowell. And you can see how the writers respond to the actors within the first season. Jack Coleman as Mr. Bennet was one of those cases where I didn't realize I had watched him for several years in a soap opera before, not just because he looks so different now but because he's so very, very very good as our Mr. Morally Grey. Christine Rose as Angela Petrelli does so very much in a few scenes that you can see why she got more and more prominence. And speaking of the Petrellis, while the pilot as written actually does already foreshadow the central importance of the brothers to the season, especially given the way said pilot ends, I think that might have changed had it not been for the way Adrian Pasdar and Milo Ventimiglia played their scenes.
4) Hiro Nakamura: is one of those charactes whose adorableness one doesn't even have to argue. Indeed there is the danger of him being so adorable one is tempted to see Hiro as a walking teddy bear, which is why it's good that the writers also give him very serious material (notably in Six Months Ago and Five Years Gone); much like Vir Cotto in B5, there are times where Hiro becomes the conscience and the ethics of the show. (One of my favourite Hiro scenes is the argument with Ando from The Hard Part about whether or not to kill Sylar, and Hiro's response to Ando's "Future Hiro would have" is perhaps my Hiro line of the season. Other than "Yatta!" and "Flying Man!", you know.)
5) Fresh twists on very familiar concepts: there's the road movie (Hiro and Ando on their adventures, and in a darker black humour variation Mohinder and Sylar later in the season), young insecure hero discovers his powers with help of trusty mentor who soon dies (which is given a very black twist with Gabriel Gray and Chandra Suresh), the X-Files believer/sceptic agent duo (Matt and Audrey Hanson; I so loved Audrey and hope she'll be back in s2!); and I love the way Claire is recognizably influenced by early Buffy and yet completely her own person. My very favourite twist, of course, remains the Nathan-has-superpowers revelation and its follow-up.
6) With the exception of Claire, the regulars aren't teenagers or very young adults, and the show reflects that. Not that I have lost my BTVS love (though I am in the minory who likes the later BTVS season better), but I find all these adults - who have jobs, and some of which have families of their own - having to deal with the whole superpowers thing - one of the things about Heroes that I love. While the writing for Niki has been shaky, I do appreciate she's a young woman and a mother in a tv landscape where women usually are either young and single and at least supposedly under 30 if not under 20, or mothers over 40 and then not the protagonists any longer, which is frustrating. Similarly, Nathan being married with children contributes to his abnormality in a superhero world. Mr. Bennet's family man status is as intricate to his storyline as his being the Company's tag-and-bag-man pre-Company Man, and of course the element that ties him to Claire. Ted's marriage is crucial to his motivation. And there are all sorts of intriguing hints about the previous generation - Angela, Kaito Nakamura, Linderman and Charles Deveaux - which I'm looking foward to seeing more of in the next season.
7) Endearing one-shot (or two-shot) characters. Charlie first and foremost, but also Dale Smither, the woman with super hearing, or the hapless original Zane of melting metal fame. As I said in my Six Months Ago meta, once you have a serial killer as a regular, you need to make sure his victims aren't cyphers but are people the viewer gets attached to so the enormity of his actions isn't played down, and to me, Heroes managed to do that with these characters.
8) Petrellis. I would be dishonest to pretend otherwise: the Petrelli clan pushes my "dysfunctional families" button in a big way. Which is why my s2 wish list has items like "more with and about Angela, do tell about the late Petrelli Senior, more Heidi, do not let Claire forget her Petrelli issues, and of course, give me more of the brothers". I suppose another brunch of supreme awkwardness and manipulation is too much to ask for, given storylines, but maybe in late s2...? Anyway: as
cadesama once said, the Petrelis aren't screwed up because they have superpowers, they're screwed up because they're them, and that's yet another reason for my love. 9) Optimism. For all my thing for dark storylines, I also am a cautious optimist; Star Trek in all its incarnations is still dear to me, and thus, the show's mixture of sadness and hope is must right for me - some tragedies can't be prevented, but it is also possible to make a difference. I find that very appealing indeed.
10) Aside from them being great as their characters - how could I not love the cast when they do stuff like this?
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Date: 2007-09-06 07:24 pm (UTC)I always love to see positive-energy memes going around.
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Date: 2007-09-06 08:02 pm (UTC)For the most part, it's the friendship moments that make me tear up or stay with me, not the romance moments - Garibaldi finding out that Sinclair came and left without talking to him, and then finding out why through Sinclair's last message
That wasn't a romance moment? ;)
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Date: 2007-09-06 08:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-06 09:35 pm (UTC)I suppose another brunch of supreme awkwardness and manipulation is too much to ask for, given storylines, but maybe in late s2...?
I would love a flashback to a Petrelli family dinner when Papa Petrelli was still alive. *hopes*
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Date: 2007-09-07 03:25 am (UTC)A flashback dinner is a splendid idea! And I so hope they find a good Papa Petrelli for flashbacks (surely there must be some with the second season titled "Generations"), given how wonderful the family has been cast so far.
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Date: 2007-09-07 03:43 am (UTC)The Petrelli casting is nothing short of mind-blowing. What's particularly amazing is that I don't think Milo, Adrian, and Hayden were tested against each other at any point. By the time they cast the brothers they were so desperate to find anyone, anyone who could play Peter and Nathan, that they had to "pull the trigger" as Adrian puts it. Or, as Milo said, "He'll do." Heh. And somehow they hit the jackpot.
Your icon cracks me up each time I see it. And it's so what Peter was thinking in that scene, too.*g*
I have, like 15 icons of Peter at that brunch. :D I keep them in constant rotation, but this is my favorite so far. I just love the expression on his face.
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Date: 2007-09-06 09:53 pm (UTC)And this: Also related: the Vorlons and the Shadows being revealed as not that different, and both wrong.
Exactly.
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Date: 2007-09-06 10:06 pm (UTC)You and me both. I expect it now and am greatly disappointed when I don't get it. As you said it's the arc show to end all arc shows and it's the one I use to judge the others. Looking back on it now it's pretty amazing that JMS got it on the air at all really considering that arc shows were so unusual at the time, particularly one which gave so few places for new viewers to pick it up.
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Date: 2007-09-07 03:22 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-06 10:49 pm (UTC)I must watch B6 again. I could probably fit an ep a week in with the B7 one. :-)
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Date: 2007-09-07 03:20 am (UTC)And amen to the non-obviousness of the music. I can't imagine B5 without it.
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Date: 2007-09-07 04:42 am (UTC)I have to admit it's becoming difficult to come up with ten items not everyone has used already... (I do have a few no one has mentioned yet for Heroes, though.)
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Date: 2007-09-07 02:19 pm (UTC)(Lorien was the obnoxious deus ex machina creature who got Sheridan out of Z'ha'dum.)
More items for Heroes: must check on your entry then!
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Date: 2007-09-07 06:46 pm (UTC)And I don't even have the excuse that I don't know anyone who has them...
More items for Heroes: must check on your entry then!
It's already in the works; if only RL weren't so distracting.
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Date: 2007-09-07 05:26 am (UTC)I adore Heroes..I have the S1 DVDs and the new B5 movie waiting for me at the post office, hurray!
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Date: 2007-09-07 06:18 pm (UTC)I am old enough to have watched the original Trek when it first aired..but didn't fall into the fandom until many years later. Of all the Treks, DS9 is my personal favourite.
When I got hooked on B5, it was really hard to find the show sometimes; the scheduling was so erratic. One season I was reduced to begging my brother in Ontario to tape the show and mail me the tapes! (which he did, to his credit). B5 was the first show that really brought me to the internet fan world. I discovered the Lurkers' Guide to B5, and spent a lot of time lurking there; it was a real eye opening to me.
Heroes starts up again here September 24! Huzzah!