Heroes 2.02 Lizards

[selenak]

Mr. Muggles: the true mastermind of the Bennet family? Just asking.



This episode didn't quite make me into fannish goo as much as the last one, which doesn't mean I didn't love it. Yay for the Haitian rejoining the plot (and Noah Bennet), and the fanservice in the form of lots of shots of shirtless!tied!Peter (my, Milo has been working out) amused me a lot. More seriously, it's a nice touch that the superpowers aren't the only thing with Peter that come by instinct; so do his nursing skills. I always appreciate reminders that the man was/is a nurse. Which is why I'm overlooking we had two damsels in distress rescues by the menfolk in direct order (Hiro and Yaeko, and Peter and Irish Girl), three if you include Alejandro y Maya.

What we also have is yet another sibling pair, and colour me amused about that one as well. In addition to the co-dependent power twins, we now have the Irish brother and sister Peter ended up with, with the older brother seemingly dismissive and sarcastic and the younger sibling chaffing under that and reaching out to others via kindness, but actually the two are close. Hm, I wonder why Peter feels sort of at home? *veg*

Hiro doing the Kensei heroics of legend was what most people, including yours truly, expected, as was Kensei turning out to have regenerative power. Yaeko was a bit too dazzled this week as opposed to last week where she was delightfully angry and unimpressed, but otoh, she did see "Kensei" pull off a rescue with magic feats, and she still has a father to rescue. The visual with the cherry blossom petals was probably meant as a deliberate echo to Charlie and the origami birds, but did not work quite as poignantly. Otoh, Hiro starting to crush on Yaeko and being prepared to go all Cyrano on Kensei's behalf was touching.

Bennets: am I ever glad we got to see Sandra putting her foot down. That was the deal, was it? And at least he does tell her about the painting, though he still seems to keep his Mohinder-related activities secret. I also loved Sandra's gentle admonishment to Claire re: the boiling water incident about showing off.

Speaking of Claire, her continued thinking of how to use her powers to help people? Love it. And getting the idea from her teacher's talk about lizards in school was clever writing. Mind you, I can completely see why Noah B. wants to stop that line of thought, because the extreme end is indeed the use of Claire as a living organ bank, and not voluntarily. The last scene, with Mr. Muggles trying to point out to her that she's not the only one currently exposing her power and Claire just not looking up was deliciously frustrating.

Best scene of the episode, though? Without a question Angela getting interrogated by the NYPD. Great use of continuity as they have her on file due to the sock incident. Her poise and the way she noticed Matt was telepathically spying on her, and her "get out of my head" was just awesome. (It also begs the question whether Angela notices because she's used to superpowered folk, including telepaths, or whether her own power is somehow related to telepathy.) And in contrast to that, the horror at the attack was played by Christine Rose as fantastically. As I said, the outstanding scene of the episode was clearly Angela Petrelli's. Oh, and her sang-froid implication that she used to have sex with Kaito back in the day? Priceless. I want fanfic. Or I must write it.

Nathan's short talk with Matt seems to indicate that a) Matt didn't notice him at Kirby Plaza (figures - Matt had four bullets in him at that point), and b) Nathan can pull himself together for such occasions as bailing out his mother. With Matt's superior remarking the assassin either fell down and walked away or could fly and Nathan being at the police station at all, he continues to be set up as a suspect, but I think it's also obvious that he's the red herring here, Nathan not having the ability to attack through walls telekinetically/mentally. I think it's the later - imo the blood on Angela's cheek was from her own nails and the killer has an ability not unrelated to Candace's, making people see things. Which, in turn, ties to Nathan seeing his burned self in the mirror of the bar last episode.

So, next week? Soon?

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[ide-cyan.livejournal.com]

we had two damsels in distress rescues by the menfolk in direct order (Hiro and Yaeko, and Peter and Irish Girl), three if you include Alejandro y Maya.

Four, including Angela Petrelli at the police station.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

Mr. Muggles: the true mastermind of the Bennet family? Just asking.

He is obviously secretly plotting world domination. That evil little fluffball!

Which is why I'm overlooking we had two damsels in distress rescues by the menfolk in direct order (Hiro and Yaeko, and Peter and Irish Girl), three if you include Alejandro y Maya.

Hm, yes, I wasn't too fond of that development, either, especially the implications that it is the safest thing to make a girl fall for you. It's so juvenile. And I find the implications of the twin storyline pretty disturbing - I know that they probably just want to illustrate that their co-dependency extends to their powers, but it's pretty impossible not to draw conclusions from their gender here. Sigh. Oh, writers.

What we also have is yet another sibling pair, and colour me amused about that one as well. In addition to the co-dependent power twins, we now have the Irish brother and sister Peter ended up with

Ricky and Caitlin I really liked a lot, although the Irish characters in general make me fear that Leprechauns will hop around the corner next. And yes, the parallels were pretty obvious. *g*

Otoh, Hiro starting to crush on Yaeko and being prepared to go all Cyrano on Kensei's behalf was touching.

The cherry blossom scene seems to have worked better for me than for most others - I loved the two apparently quoting poetry at each other - but I agree that Yaeko was dazzled a little too quickly. I am willing to cut them a bit of slack here, since this is a triangle where I actually like everyone involved, and that's rare enough.

I'm assuming Kensei is going to get set up as a contrast to Claire now? I was actually wondering if he would have died at some point, had Hiro not put him in a situation where he could get mortally wounded, yet in a way that enabled him to regenerate.

Continue loving Sandra as well. And Claire's continuing character development. Although I am by now wondering what that class of hers really is: Advanced Generic Science? Last week it was chemistry with weird biological interludes, this week it's clearly biology.

Angela was beyond awesome. She had a thing with Kaito. Like most other people, I was totally suspecting Linderman, but Kaito? I'd totally read a fanfic like that [/unsubtle].
Also, interesting spec about her power. I thought she simply deduced that Matt must be a telepath from experience and because he used the word "revenge" right after she thought about it, but of course it could also be connected more directly to her own power.

Nathan's short talk with Matt seems to indicate that a) Matt didn't notice him at Kirby Plaza (figures - Matt had four bullets in him at that point), and b) Nathan can pull himself together for such occasions as bailing out his mother.

I also loved - well, "loved" as in "Hi! Therapy, NOW!" - his complete non-reaction to Matt's condolences. Oh my.

but I think it's also obvious that he's the red herring here, Nathan not having the ability to attack through walls telekinetically/mentally. I think it's the later - imo the blood on Angela's cheek was from her own nails and the killer has an ability not unrelated to Candace's, making people see things.

I hope so. I also had the rather bizarre thought that she could have pretended the attack because she thought it could have been Nathan (there are enough indicators as we have seen), mostly because she called him, and I'm sure they would have a family lawyer, despite being a family of lawyers. But it could very well be my mystery sense going into overload. And no, I still think he didn't do it, because he is presented as a suspect a little too obviously.

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

• More seriously, it's a nice touch that the superpowers aren't the only thing with Peter that come by instinct; so do his nursing skills. I always appreciate reminders that the man was/is a nurse.
  
  That was my favorite Peter moment this episode. Maybe my second favorite, after, "My name is Peter?"
  
  
• we now have the Irish brother and sister Peter ended up with, with the older brother seemingly dismissive and sarcastic and the younger sibling chaffing under that and reaching out to others via kindness, but actually the two are close. Hm, I wonder why Peter feels sort of at home? *veg*
  
  The fact that Peter noticeably perked up/responded when he heard the word "brother," together with his wistful look at Ricky and Caitlyn joking around, suggests to me that his memory loss has psychological roots, rather than being a mindwipe--I could see his subconscious getting stirred there.
  
  On a related note: did he only start to heal when Caitlyn started cleaning him up? I like the idea that he accessed his power when someone made him feel as if he had a friend when he felt endangered--which is how he healed the first time.
  
  
• I also loved Sandra's gentle admonishment to Claire re: the boiling water incident about showing off.
  
  I loved how matter-of-fact she was about it. She's really taking the whole thing in stride. Heh.
  
  
• Nathan's short talk with Matt...
  
  I loved that. Both their reaction shots were perfect, as is the noticeable difference in the way Matt talks about Peter and to Nathan. I want to see more of them. Grunberg only had a few scenes this ep, but he really rocked them.
  

[selenak.livejournal.com]

He is obviously secretly plotting world domination. That evil little fluffball!

I'm starting to come around to the Mr. Muggles = Uluru theory.

And I find the implications of the twin storyline pretty disturbing - I know that they probably just want to illustrate that their co-dependency extends to their powers, but it's pretty impossible not to draw conclusions from their gender here. Sigh. Oh, writers.

Yes. I mean, I can see why they wanted to make the twins male/female - brothers would have been too close to Peter and Nathan, sisters to Niki and Jessica - but would it have hurt to make Alejandro the one with the lethal power and Maya the one who does the protecting, head-keeping and channelling?

Ricky and Caitlin I really liked a lot, although the Irish characters in general make me fear that Leprechauns will hop around the corner next. And yes, the parallels were pretty obvious. *g*

If Peter's first deja vu moment isn't triggered by a Ricky/Caitlin argument, I'll be disappointed!

I'm assuming Kensei is going to get set up as a contrast to Claire now?

I guess so. Which is a good idea, since Sylar was obviously Peter's dark mirror, so it fits Claire would get one of her own.

Angela was beyond awesome. She had a thing with Kaito. Like most other people, I was totally suspecting Linderman, but Kaito? I'd totally read a fanfic like that [/unsubtle].

LOL. On the one hand, I want to write it right now, on the other hand, what more Angela revelations await which would Kring me immediately?!?

And in the further future: once Nathan is semi-functional again and Hiro back in the present, how would they react to such a revelation?

I also loved - well, "loved" as in "Hi! Therapy, NOW!" - his complete non-reaction to Matt's condolences. Oh my.

Given that Matt remembers him from bailing Peter out in Texas, Matt might conclude this is what Nathan does with his spare time on a regular basis: pick up relations from jail where they almost die on him. He's really going to suspect Nathan soon, is he?

I also had the rather bizarre thought that she could have pretended the attack because she thought it could have been Nathan (there are enough indicators as we have seen), mostly because she called him, and I'm sure they would have a family lawyer, despite being a family of lawyers.

This also occured to me - i.e. that Angela could have faked the attack on herself, with her own powers - but mostly to get out of being a suspect for Kaito's murder as far as the NYPD is concerned, with Nathan as a second reason. I agree they must have a lawyer, though come to think of it - when Angela stole those socks, she had the police call Nathan as well. Not Peter, and not the family lawyer. Is this a bizarre kind of maternal reaching out when they're on non-speaking terms with each other?

[selenak.livejournal.com]

The fact that Peter noticeably perked up/responded when he heard the word "brother," together with his wistful look at Ricky and Caitlyn joking around, suggests to me that his memory loss has psychological roots, rather than being a mindwipe--I could see his subconscious getting stirred there.

I agree. The amnesia is definitely psychological in origin, and he'll get his memories back that way, too.

Grunberg: is terrific this season, I agree, and also gets good stuff to do instead of being stuck with a bad storyline like his marital difficulties last season. May it continue!

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

I agree. The amnesia is definitely psychological in origin, and he'll get his memories back that way, too.

I like this much better than a mindwipe, because then we can have moments of recognition (as you suggested, with Ricky and Caitlyn arguing), and freaky dreams where he remembers bits and pieces of his past. I have my own ideas about how he's actually going to get his memory back, but it'll probably be Kring'ed in a few eps. :D

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

would it have hurt to make Alejandro the one with the lethal power and Maya the one who does the protecting, head-keeping and channelling?

Exactly. Even if the underlying theme of the season seems to be growing out of co-dependency, you can just as well portray it from the point of view of the one who has to let go. And this way they could even have avoided Alejandro's obvious red shirt syndrome.

If Peter's first deja vu moment isn't triggered by a Ricky/Caitlin argument, I'll be disappointed!

Various people more tuned in to the Younger Petrelli reported that he did perk up at their banter, so he seems to be on the right track.

Which is a good idea, since Sylar was obviously Peter's dark mirror, so it fits Claire would get one of her own.

And, because I'm nothing if not singularly focussed, this makes me strongly suspect that Nathan and West are also mirrors to each other... which cracks me up. (Although I'm not completely sure yet they are actually opposites, other than where reacting to their power is concerned. West is still too much of a cypher for that.)

And in the further future: once Nathan is semi-functional again and Hiro back in the present, how would they react to such a revelation?

I strongly suspect by that point they are both in dire need of a comedic interlude, any way, so it promises to be, well, interesting. Especially since chances are high Kaito and Angela met after she was already married.

Given that Matt remembers him from bailing Peter out in Texas, Matt might conclude this is what Nathan does with his spare time on a regular basis: pick up relations from jail where they almost die on him.

It is kind of a pattern, yeah.

He's really going to suspect Nathan soon, is he?

I do think he has to, although there is no real motive that is obvious on the outside. It's difficult either way to see why Nathan should have wanted to kill Kaito, and I doubt it is really plausible when you don't really know the connections to Plan Blow Up NY.
It should get interesting when Ando remembers he ran into him on the plaza, though.

This also occured to me - i.e. that Angela could have faked the attack on herself, with her own powers - but mostly to get out of being a suspect for Kaito's murder as far as the NYPD is concerned, with Nathan as a second reason.

Right, she would think of that! The only thing puzzling to me is the power outage, although that doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the attack.

when Angela stole those socks, she had the police call Nathan as well. Not Peter, and not the family lawyer. Is this a bizarre kind of maternal reaching out when they're on non-speaking terms with each other?

LOL. It seems that way! I wonder how early that started...

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

I also loved Sandra's gentle admonishment to Claire re: the boiling water incident about showing off.

That was great. I like that she phrased it as showing off, rather than being disgusting. I'd love to see some scenes with Lyle merely being annoyed at her, rather than treating her as unusual or a freak, because it just makes them seem so much more like a family when they throw stuff like that in.

Speaking of Claire, her continued thinking of how to use her powers to help people? Love it.

That was great in part because it's the character asking all the same questions the fans do. That sort of thing is exactly why I love Heroes.

And am I crazy for sort of wanting Claire to get some mentoring from Mohinder in genetics, so she really could go for a PHD?

Nathan's short talk with Matt seems to indicate that a) Matt didn't notice him at Kirby Plaza (figures - Matt had four bullets in him at that point), and b) Nathan can pull himself together for such occasions as bailing out his mother

Nathan's line about Angela not wanting to see him, but him being all she had just killed me.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

I'm assuming Kensei is going to get set up as a contrast to Claire now?

*cough* If I may? CALLED IT! So, now we have the Sylar-Peter parallel, the Kensei-Claire (and probably Kensei-Hiro, although not so much in terms of actual abilities), and West-Nathan. Possibly Angela-Matt, since her power does appear psychic in nature.

[queen-of-ice.livejournal.com]

hmm, after this episode I`m starting to assume, that Peter can`t remember anything because Haitian`s pendant is on him.

Then it was Noah`s doing? But why did he need Peter to forget everything? Or am I wrong in my assumptions?..

Claire

[mossymermaid.livejournal.com]

>And am I crazy for sort of wanting Claire to get some mentoring from Mohinder in >genetics, so she really could go for a PHD?

Yes please, I'd love to see her aiming for some educational goals rather than stuck as the minimum-wage drone she was in 5 years gone.

[gelasius.livejournal.com]

Which is why I'm overlooking we had two damsels in distress rescues by the menfolk in direct order, three if you include Alejandro y Maya.

I have mixed feelings about the damsel-y-ness of their situation, because if it were the same scenario with the powers reversed, it would just be a different gender stereotype working - female/nurturing/mothering/caring for the dangerous strong male. So I'm not convinced this is actually worse. I do, however, really hope Maya grows a backbone at some point.

Re: Claire

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

Seeing as 5Yg was meant as the worst of all possible worlds... I'm pretty sure Claire's got a good college and bright future ahead of her. :D Seeing her with academic, rather than athletic, interests makes me very happy, though. (Now if only they'd make her science class seem like a real science class.)

[selenak.livejournal.com]

And, because I'm nothing if not singularly focussed, this makes me strongly suspect that Nathan and West are also mirrors to each other... which cracks me up. (Although I'm not completely sure yet they are actually opposites, other than where reacting to their power is concerned. West is still too much of a cypher for that.)

Yes, we need to know more about him before he can work as a mirror (or not) to Nathan. Crazy idea of the day: if we do get our Big Petrelli Flashback episode, complete with Angela and Papa Petrelli as young people and Nathan and Peter as children and then teenagers, I wouldn't put it past these producers to cast d'Agosto, with minimally different make-up, as teenage!Nathan. *veg* (Even though he has the wrong facial structure.)

Especially since chances are high Kaito and Angela met after she was already married.

Oh, I'm sure they were both married. (BTW, the unknown Mrs. N., mother of Kimiko and Hiro, seems to be dead, or surely they'd at least have mentioned her?) Maybe Papa PEtrelli made the same mistake the fans did and suspected Linderman, while completely missing the true action going on?

Right, she would think of that! The only thing puzzling to me is the power outage, although that doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the attack.

It all depends on what either Angela's or the attacker's (if it was the villain of the hour or one of his flunkies) power is. Anyway, it's easy to overlook for us since we know Angela didn't kill Kaito and is on the killer's death list, but for the NYPD, she's a reasonable suspect. So creating an alibi in the form of an attack right in police head quarters would be like her. (Because really, come to think of it, wouldn't the killer attack her when she's alone?) It would also be like her to make sure Nathan is there. I don't see her apologizing for the "you killed your brother" remark any time soon, no more than I see him apologizing for "you are evil", but if he sees her attacked, well, he responds as we saw, and she might have counted on that making them talk again.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I totally believe you did, but I did not read the post as I had gone cold turkey on spoilers already.

Possibly Angela-Matt, since her power does appear psychic in nature.

Everyman versus Elite Woman? Could work, and makes me wonder again about Matt in the 5YGverse and Angela not being around in same.

[likeadeuce.livejournal.com]

I loved the Mr. Muggles scene although I'm now half-afraid he's going to turn out to be an animagus, or something. Heck, he even has a Harry Potter-related name. Has anybody written the Very Secret Diaries of Mr. Muggles yet? I bet he sees a lot of things in the Bennet house.

I'm digging the new season so far, not a lot of deep thoughts, but as always I enjoy reading your reviews!

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I'd love to see some scenes with Lyle merely being annoyed at her, rather than treating her as unusual or a freak, because it just makes them seem so much more like a family when they throw stuff like that in.

It does, and Sandra really rocked in that scene and the next one, as she has done in Company Man. It would also underscore the functionality of the Bennets in contrast to certain dark-haired New Yorkers.*g*

And am I crazy for sort of wanting Claire to get some mentoring from Mohinder in genetics, so she really could go for a PHD?

*ducktapes mouth in order not to make remark about Mohinder's scientific qualifications, as the stuff he says at times is really the writers' fault, not his*

It could be a great future storyline for her in the next season (if she graduates in this one). I like the idea of Claire going for college and science.

Nathan's line about Angela not wanting to see him, but him being all she had just killed me.

Oh, Petrellis. As I said, theirs (Nathan + Angela) is the most screwed up relationship in that very screwed up family, which is really saying something. I think it's also significant he did show up to bail her out (and responded to her distress, real or not, in the attack scene), because it can't be for image reasons anymore - bad publicity and the like is completely irrelevant to him now. But he can't not respond to her.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I really don't think it was the Haitian (despite the pendant), because then Peter's loss of memory would be permanent. (The show established that the memories the Haitian takes can't be returned.) And I very much doubt that they'll keep Peter amnesiac forever; I give it until sweeps, at the latest.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

So do I, and okay, you do have a point about the different gender stereotype. And may I say I love your icon?

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Mr. Muggles: No, I don't think someone has, but he has been paired both with Sylar's shoes and with Ted's in the Heroes Slash Manual. *veg*

[gelasius.livejournal.com]

Yes, you may. The icon is snaggable if you want tit. I mean, it. :)

As for Maya, I'm trying to keep an open mind and believe in the writers at this point. ;:nods:: She HAS had some pretty severe trauma, after all. What with accidentally KILLING a bunch of people.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

*ducktapes mouth in order not to make remark about Mohinder's scientific qualifications, as the stuff he says at times is really the writers' fault, not his*

Hey, if I can pointedly not whine about the random use of beakers full of blue dye and Bunsen burners in a biology class, I think you can refrain from bringing up the show's failure to understand evolution! ;)

It could be a great future storyline for her in the next season (if she graduates in this one). I like the idea of Claire going for college and science.

I think they probably will manage to get to the end of her senior year this season, even though she's in the midst of her junior year right now. I really, really don't think they want another season of high school for her. Of course, if they want to send her to college, that means they have to resolve her issues with the Company so that she can actually go and be apart from Noah. *hols out hope for NYU*

Oh, Petrellis. As I said, theirs (Nathan + Angela) is the most screwed up relationship in that very screwed up family, which is really saying something. I think it's also significant he did show up to bail her out (and responded to her distress, real or not, in the attack scene), because it can't be for image reasons anymore - bad publicity and the like is completely irrelevant to him now. But he can't not respond to her.

It really, really is. And I think that sums up all of the Petrelli dysfunction. They can't ignore each other or just let things go. And if they weren't so entrenched in each others' lives, if they didn't care so much, they'd be a lot saner/happier.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Hey, if I can pointedly not whine about the random use of beakers full of blue dye and Bunsen burners in a biology class, I think you can refrain from bringing up the show's failure to understand evolution! ;)

I haven't figured out yet which subject Claire's teacher is supposed to teach. All I know is that I never had biology/chemistry/whatever lessons like that at school, but hey, not American.

Of course, if they want to send her to college, that means they have to resolve her issues with the Company so that she can actually go and be apart from Noah. *hols out hope for NYU*

I hope for NYU, too. Complete with advance arguments as to whom she's going to live with there, which of course will be solved by her having her own apartment. (Hey, if Nathan can pay for Peter's, he might was well get one for Claire which is also supposedly paid by herself or rather Noah.)

They can't ignore each other or just let things go. And if they weren't so entrenched in each others' lives, if they didn't care so much, they'd be a lot saner/happier.

And then where would our tv entertainment be? *g* (Clearly, this is why Angela never left Daddy P.; the utter inability to let go, which her children inherit full force.)

Though to be fair, I think if Nathan hadn't had Peter, he'd have been definitely not happier. Saner, maybe, but not happier. (Peter being clearly responsible for all extremes in happiness and unhappiness in his life so far.) And if Peter had been the only child of the Petrellis, he would have been Linderman.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

I haven't figured out yet which subject Claire's teacher is supposed to teach. All I know is that I never had biology/chemistry/whatever lessons like that at school, but hey, not American.

I think I'm going to fanwank the science class as having a teacher very similar to my eighth grade physical science teacher -- the one who would conclude a lesson on ocean waves by pulling out magnesium and setting it on fire. Some teachers are just pyromaniacs. So Claire is in Biology (AP, in the version in my head) and her teacher got forced into a chemistry lab, so he takes advantaged of the Bunsen burners whenever he feels like it.

I hope for NYU, too. Complete with advance arguments as to whom she's going to live with there, which of course will be solved by her having her own apartment. (Hey, if Nathan can pay for Peter's, he might was well get one for Claire which is also supposedly paid by herself or rather Noah.)

Yes, but wouldn't it be far more hilarious for her to live with Angela? Not plausible. But hilarious

Though to be fair, I think if Nathan hadn't had Peter, he'd have been definitely not happier. Saner, maybe, but not happier. (Peter being clearly responsible for all extremes in happiness and unhappiness in his life so far.) And if Peter had been the only child of the Petrellis, he would have been Linderman.

Without Peter, Nathan probably would have been the perfect little Congress!bot Mommy and Daddy wanted. Although probably bending it more toward his own selfish ends, and rejecting a lot of the family control, I think. And I think you're right about Peter. Except I don't think he'd even be as sane as Linderman was. I mean, he's hardly sane now.

[honorh.livejournal.com]

Yes, but see, if you called Angela a "damsel in distress", she'd slap the hell out of you.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

So Claire is in Biology (AP, in the version in my head) and her teacher got forced into a chemistry lab, so he takes advantaged of the Bunsen burners whenever he feels like it.

So noted!

Yes, but wouldn't it be far more hilarious for her to live with Angela? Not plausible. But hilarious.

True. We won't get it, but it would make for great AU fic.*g*

Without Peter, Nathan probably would have been the perfect little Congress!bot Mommy and Daddy wanted. Although probably bending it more toward his own selfish ends, and rejecting a lot of the family control, I think. And I think you're right about Peter. Except I don't think he'd even be as sane as Linderman was. I mean, he's hardly sane now.

Good point. So clearly, despite being co-dependent to a symbiotic degree, the Petrelli brothers saved each other from complete soulless bot-ness and insanity respectively.

[wee-warrior.livejournal.com]

You did! You did! *throws confetti* *and a bit of cake* *it's tasty cake, though*

[mimesh.livejournal.com]

In addition to the co-dependent power twins, we now have the Irish brother and sister Peter ended up with, with the older brother seemingly dismissive and sarcastic and the younger sibling chaffing under that and reaching out to others via kindness, but actually the two are close. Hm, I wonder why Peter feels sort of at home?

Oh, I didn't grasp the similarities of their dynamic to this extent besides the bonding with a younger sibling but you are so right. I love that this gives the longing look on Peter's face when he is watching them so many more implications. It could be either a set-up for the oncoming romance because she was and is the first humang being he met post amnesia who is actually nice to him. Or watching the siblings banter did stir something in him...

Mind you, I can completely see why Noah B. wants to stop that line of thought, because the extreme end is indeed the use of Claire as a living organ bank, and not voluntarily.

I can see that but I'm a little miffed that they are undermining this legitimate fear and subsequent orders from Mr. Bennet by making him act inconsiderate and risky in favor for giving him cool badass points like the finger stunt or discussing this right at his workplace. Apart from that I like his smart scheming and share your love for Claire and Sandra.

Nathan's short talk with Matt seems to indicate that a) Matt didn't notice him at Kirby Plaza (figures - Matt had four bullets in him at that point)

Now I'm wondering why they did the ominous close up on Matt's face after his boss asks if he knows someone who can fly on the crime scene, though. And I'm wondering even more why Matt and most of all Mohinder didn't bother to ask Molly to find Peter after they saw Nathan survived the explosion. Yes, they want to protect her and don't want to expose her to the new baddie but checking Peter's whereabouts especially since Mohinder knows what Peter can do, seem valid enough for an exception. I really hope we get an explanation for that.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

It could be either a set-up for the oncoming romance because she was and is the first humang being he met post amnesia who is actually nice to him. Or watching the siblings banter did stir something in him...

It's the ambiguity of his wistful look when watching Nathan and Heidi dancing in 6MA all over again. You can interpret that as Peter thinking "ah, romance! wish I had a girl", or you can go for the Italian interpretation.*veg*

(But don't ask me what the non-Italian explanation for Nathan looking back at him all the time while dancing is.)

Now I'm wondering why they did the ominous close up on Matt's face after his boss asks if he knows someone who can fly on the crime scene, though

Correction: his boss asked whether he knows someone who can survive a fall of 20 feet and then walk away OR who can fly. As it happens, Matt knows both variations.*g* And while he doesn't know Nathan can fly if he was out of it at Kirby Plaza, he knows Claire can survive such a fall and walk - he shot her himself - and he knows/can guess that Peter shares Claire's ability, both because Peter survived the fall with Sylar and because of the "he can do what I can do" scene in "Company Man".

And I'm wondering even more why Matt and most of all Mohinder didn't bother to ask Molly to find Peter after they saw Nathan survived the explosion.

Firstly, before I went cold turkey on that stuff I read an interview in which it was mentioned we'll get a flashback episode a la 6MA telling us what happened during those four months to some of our characters. Secondly, guesswork as of now: something happened that made Mohinder convinced Peter was in fact dead and did not survive the explosion. Incidentally, as Angela thinks that, too, and she knows Peter has Claire's ability, there must have been some (fake) evidence. Plus of course we don't know in which state Nathan was, or what he said when turning up again post-explosion.

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. Crazy idea of the day: if we do get our Big Petrelli Flashback episode, complete with Angela and Papa Petrelli as young people and Nathan and Peter as children and then teenagers, I wouldn't put it past these producers to cast d'Agosto, with minimally different make-up, as teenage!Nathan. *veg* (Even though he has the wrong facial structure.)

That would certainly delight the people who already think West is Nathan's kid. (Seriously? They need to have a scene where Nathan, upon hearing of West's powers, ponders for a moment if he was in California at an inopportune time, and ultimately decides that he wasn't.) He does look a lot more like Peter, though.

Oh, I'm sure they were both married. (BTW, the unknown Mrs. N., mother of Kimiko and Hiro, seems to be dead, or surely they'd at least have mentioned her?) Maybe Papa PEtrelli made the same mistake the fans did and suspected Linderman, while completely missing the true action going on?

Hee. Very possible. Although I, though normally a non-shipper, remain steadfastly convinced that Linderman and Petrelli had some sort of love-hate-sex relationship going on, so Petrelli might have tolerated it for that reason. After all those were the seventies!

Re: Mrs. N: I do believe she's dead as well, or we surely would have heard of her by now.

So creating an alibi in the form of an attack right in police head quarters would be like her. (Because really, come to think of it, wouldn't the killer attack her when she's alone?)

That's exactly what I've been wondering, and combined with the fact that the attack happened right after Nathan showed up - seems pretty convenient. Also that she just happened to have that ripped picture in her hand - she didn't tell anyone she got it before, did she?

It would also be like her to make sure Nathan is there. I don't see her apologizing for the "you killed your brother" remark any time soon, no more than I see him apologizing for "you are evil", but if he sees her attacked, well, he responds as we saw, and she might have counted on that making them talk again.

That would be some very skilled masterminding right there. (And for all co-dependence, that one might really prompt him not to talk to her for quite a while)

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Seriously? They need to have a scene where Nathan, upon hearing of West's powers, ponders for a moment if he was in California at an inopportune time, and ultimately decides that he wasn't.

Ha, I know! When Claire finds out about West's power in the next episode or so, she has another reason to call Nathan and could say: "Listen, this isn't about Peter, I just need a list of all women you slept with who could have had children my age or older, because I'm really sick of cute guys showing up in my life who then turn out to be related to you. You can stop the list at fifteenyears ago. And also, was one of them in California?"

Although I, though normally a non-shipper, remain steadfastly convinced that Linderman and Petrelli had some sort of love-hate-sex relationship going on, so Petrelli might have tolerated it for that reason. After all those were the seventies!

Too true, and I'm with you with the love-hate-sex relationship based on the comics. (I think there was even a convincing slash story based on that.)

Also that she just happened to have that ripped picture in her hand - she didn't tell anyone she got it before, did she?

No, only Kaito. Though given that she's brought in for interrogation after his death, it makes sense she'd have it with her.

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When Claire finds out about West's power in the next episode or so, she has another reason to call Nathan and could say: "Listen, this isn't about Peter, I just need a list of all women you slept with who could have had children my age or older, because I'm really sick of cute guys showing up in my life who then turn out to be related to you. You can stop the list at fifteenyears ago. And also, was one of them in California?"

*g* If he were more functional, I could even see him doing that on his own account. "You probably don't want to be dating boys from town X. We used to be there with the fleet in 198_." Probably not the kind of fatherly care Claire imagined...

(I think there was even a convincing slash story based on that.)

I know I have read one or two, but I have no link - not surprisingly it was angsty, though.

Though given that she's brought in for interrogation after his death, it makes sense she'd have it with her.

Yes, but she did not show it to Matt and his superior, which would have made sense if she had wanted to make the connection explicit. It might be interesting to see whether she's going to spill that she had the picture before and wasn't "given" it by her attacker.

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If he were more functional, I could even see him doing that on his own account. "You probably don't want to be dating boys from town X. We used to be there with the fleet in 198_." Probably not the kind of fatherly care Claire imagined...

ROTFLOL. No, but it would be very pragmatic. And would make for an absolutely priceless scene. Not to mention that we'd have canon of dates and places Nathan had sex in the 80s.

It might be interesting to see whether she's going to spill that she had the picture before and wasn't "given" it by her attacker.

Yes. I saw the trailer for the next episode and my only thought was "why isn't there an Angela scene in it, preferably with Nathan? I want more New York Petrellis!!!! I want follow-up on the attack, and I want it NOW!"

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Not to mention that we'd have canon of dates and places Nathan had sex in the 80s.

Always useful.

Yes. I saw the trailer for the next episode and my only thought was "why isn't there an Angela scene in it, preferably with Nathan? I want more New York Petrellis!!!! I want follow-up on the attack, and I want it NOW!"

I remember a scene from one of the earlier trailers showing her in a hospital bed, so I'm guessing we will get the follow-up. Besides, I don't see Matt dropping out of the narrative for an episode already, so there should be something about the investigation, likely concerning Angela.

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Ha, I know! When Claire finds out about West's power in the next episode or so, she has another reason to call Nathan and could say: "Listen, this isn't about Peter, I just need a list of all women you slept with who could have had children my age or older, because I'm really sick of cute guys showing up in my life who then turn out to be related to you. You can stop the list at fifteenyears ago. And also, was one of them in California?"

ROFLOL. I do wonder how they're going to handle Claire's reaction when she finds out West can fly. Given that Tim Kring has confirmed that they intended Claire to have a crush on Peter...at the very least, we need an "Oh no, not AGAIN" reaction shot. And if she discusses the Petrellis with West, I may die of squee.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the directors'/producers' room when they discussed casting for West. "We want to go dark...emo bangs if possible...and oh yeah, an Italian vibe."

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Given that Tim Kring has confirmed that they intended Claire to have a crush on Peter...at the very least, we need an "Oh no, not AGAIN" reaction shot.

Pfff, you're too modest. I want that phonecall of Claire's to Nathan demanding the list of Women He Slept With. Though of course the fatal mistake she makes here is not asking for a list of Women Papa Petrelli Slept With as well.

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I'm afraid of wishing for too much. I'm still reeling from the fact that Claire even mentioned Peter. To Nathan! Reeling. *G*

Though of course the fatal mistake she makes here is not asking for a list of Women Papa Petrelli Slept With as well.

Hee! I can totally imagine her checking up on West's family tree. "You're not Italian, are you?"

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I think it's the later - imo the blood on Angela's cheek was from her own nails and the killer has an ability not unrelated to Candace's, making people see things. Which, in turn, ties to Nathan seeing his burned self in the mirror of the bar last episode.

Very much my favourite explanation so far!

Great review, as always.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

I'm also fond of wee_warrior's idea that Angela could have staged the attack on herself so she'd be in the clear as a suspect, but overall I slightly favour this explanation more.

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Angela could have staged the attack on herself so she'd be in the clear as a suspect

Ah, also nice. Although -- someone like Angela would have chosen a more elegant way to clear herself, maybe.