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For [livejournal.com profile] likeadeuce: Six Degrees From Hank McCoy (X-Men) to Elizabeth Swann (Pirates of the Caribbean). I cheated a bit by using 1602!Hank, and... well, you'll see. Spoilers for 1602 by Neil Gaiman as well as Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon, and for PotC: At World's End.





Ten leagues beyond the wild world's end

I.

There was a saying about curiosity and cats, but Henry McCoy had never found it applied to him. After all, the most commonly used insult directed at him had been “ape”, and besides, finding shelter with Carlos Javier had only served to heighten his conviction that without the urge to learn more about the world, he might as well have remained in the cage they had tried to lock him in after the death of his mother.

Javier was not surprised when Henry told him of his plans to explore the new world, once they could be sure the good citizens of Roanoke were safe from the King’s retaliation, and wished him good speed. For a while, Henry roamed through the wilderness, happily filling his mind with new plants, animals, and the languages of the tribes there, but then the longing to touch books again, to test his mettle against another scholar, grew to an irresistible degree. By this time, he found himself near the Spanish colony that had been founded by Juan Ponce de Léon almost a century ago and named for the Flowery Easter week. There was no reason to expect the Spanish colonists would bear more love for the witchbreed than their cousins in Spain, but there were books to be found in St. Augustine and Pensacola, and some might even contain wisdom. Henry McCoy shaved his head and, having disguised himself as a wandering monk, entered Florida.


II.

As usual, it’s all Jack’s fault. Well, most of it. In any case, Elizabeth would have been content to rule as Pirate King from land instead of sea for a while longer, given that her child had not yet passed his second year, but then three captains in a row told her the rumours about Jack Sparrow and Hector Barbossa racing each other to the Fountain of Youth in Florida and managing to get themselves captured by a fabled Beast instead of gaining the immortality they sought. They were soon to be devoured, if they had not met their gory demise already.

There was really nothing to it but rescue them, if only so she could scorch their ears for their foolishness afterwards.


III.


When preparing the potion, Henry had not seriously contemplated immortality. He had simply wished to find out whether it could be done at all, and what its effects would be, given that every single scholar he had ever read seemed to be sure it was impossible.

There was also the Frenchwoman, an infuriating person named Abigail Brandon, a Huguenot who worked for the French King and seemed to believe the fact Henry bore no love for the Spanish and their witchbreed-hating ways made him her ally. It might have done, at that, had he not met her when she sent an innocent Indian to his death to gain advantage over some Spaniards.

“Menéndez de Avilés killed my father and most of my people,” she said to Henry, disdainful of his accusations, “and we came here from the Old World after they slaughtered us in the streets of Paris on Bartholomew’s Eve. I am done with being a lamb, witchbreed. You and your ilk could help us kill every last Spaniard in this colony, but if you will not, then make sure you do not stand in my way.”

Henry had not come to Florida to stand by while people slaughtered each other. If there was truly a potion that could banish death, he thought, it might save them all, Spanish and French, Catholic and Protestant alike, and give them more than one lifetime to learn to live with each other.

But he would have to test it first.



IV.


Elizabeth had to admit it was good to be at sea again, though she missed her child dearly. She had left the boy with Teague, who had also helped by consulting all the old maps that might contain a hint as to where in Florida the fountain of youth might be found. In the end, though, the most helpful method of tracking Jack Sparrow and Hector Barbossa down was by looking for furious folk of either gender in one case, and for dead bodies in the other.

There was a part of her that hoped the dead Barbossa had left in his wake served another purpose, but if the Flying Dutchman had come to ferry their souls to their destination, it had been before she arrived to bury their remains. Still, she knew she would see Will again; just not on this journey.

She wondered, not for the first time, what she would do if the curse could not be broken. Elizabeth had no wish for eternal life, not since she had first seen Barbossa turn into a skeleton in front of her, showing what immortality could be, but when she thought of Will going through eternity alone, it did not bear contemplating, either.


V.


The potion had turned Henry’s skin into fur, had given him claws and whiskers and eyes that saw too much in the dark. What it had not given, as far as could be seen, was eternal life.

“Why did you not have someone else take it first, so you could see what it would do?” Abigail Brandon whispered in indignation and something that sounded suspiciously like sorrow.

“As you would have done?” Henry asked. “I would not use other men as mice to run through wheels for me, or be harmed so I would not. Nor women, either,” he added, and looked away from her.

“Then that makes you a fool,” Abigail said, but when he started his journey back to Roanoke and was discovered by a group of Spanish soldiers who thought it sport to hunt a giant beast, the Spaniards found themselves attacked by a French virago and her wild assembly of Indians and Huguenots. The French won, but in the skirmish, Abigail took a wound near the heart.

“Why did you do this?” Henry asked, and she told him it had been another opportunity to strike at the Spanish, pure and simple. He had always known she was a liar.


VI.


Elizabeth had expected to find Jack and Barbossa either caged in some dungeon, or trying to sell each other to the fabled Beast, or fighting it, or fighting each other, or some other wild combination of such circumstances. What she had not expected was finding them both attending to what looked like a giant but very old cat as courtiers would to a monarch.

“Forgive me for detaining your subjects for so long, Captain Swann,” the creature said to Elizabeth, sounding amused. “But they still will not believe I do not have eternal life to give, and are trying to persuade me of their worthiness.”

“Well, seeing as you told us you were born well nigh over a century and a half ago…” Jack began. The creature said:

“Ah, but cats have nine lives. That is why he gave me the potion when I lay dying, I think. He wanted to save me. He was always a sentimentalist, but I never was.”

“You mean you do not even know how to brew the bloody potion?” Barbossa thundered. “We attended your every whim for weeks and you are not the beast that found the philosopher’s stone?”

“Men are foolish, are they not?” the creature said to Elizabeth, and Elizabeth found herself smiling back. “They cannot even see what is right in front of them. Do I look as if I possess eternal youth?”

“They truly are. And yet,” Elizabeth said, “we do miss them when they are gone.”

For a moment, she could see an old woman lurking out of the eyes of the person in front of her, and the woman knew all too much about grief and loss, and the absurdity of life.

“That we do,” Abigail Brandon said, and sighed.

Date: 2008-01-28 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattahj.livejournal.com
Very cool - I like the way the story holds together, and that Abigail strings Jack and Barbossa along like that. :-)

Date: 2008-01-28 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I didn't want to go the descendant route to connect a PotC and an X-Men character (as [livejournal.com profile] penknife already did that, and superbly so), which meant I had to come up with another gimmick. Plus a 1602 version of Agent (Abigail) Brand just had to be written. Glad you like!

Date: 2008-01-28 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
Don't know 1602 but that seemed to hold together very well.

Date: 2008-01-28 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
1602 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_1602). (The icon shows 1602!Magneto, and 1602!twins.) 'Tis the good crack, and very worth reading. Also spawned lots of excellent fanfic.

Also, thanks! I hoped it might.

Date: 2008-01-28 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Oh, goodness, this is perfect. Great translation of Hank's potion/transformation -- and I wasn't expecting the twist of it being Abigail at the end. I loved all the little details about Barbossa and Jack, too. Yay!

Date: 2008-01-28 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Bless the English language and its gender neutrality. I couldn't have delayed the twist until the end in German.*g*

And since Neil didn't give us Hank's secondary stage in 1602, I felt entirely at liberty to pick an equivalent of that crucial moment that fitted the story I wantend to tel. Good to know it works!

Date: 2008-01-28 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
You know, I never thought of that as a constraint on the way you can construct a scene. How interesting --

And yes, very cool version of the transformation. I can see Hank playing with the fountain of youth, just to SEE --

Date: 2008-01-28 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resolute.livejournal.com
This is wonderful, thank you for thinking of this!

Date: 2008-01-28 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*beams* Someone had to!

Date: 2008-01-28 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyangel.livejournal.com
Oh, that was fantastic. I am in awe of your brilliance. The use of the Fountain of Youth is so clever I can't even contain myself, and everything with Brand is just right. And the twist is fantastic - not least because one of the appeals of Hank/Brand is their ability to use the same wry amused sarcasm, so it was completely conceivable that either could deliver the early lines of dialogue in the last section. And Elizabeth is just wonderful, and Jack and Barbossa are hilarious (particularly in their absence), and every detail is just wonderful. Great, great work.

Date: 2008-01-28 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought my first Hank/Brand would be a Pirates crossover set in a historical canon AU, but hey.*g* The muses spoke!

As I said to Deuce, I'm just grateful the English language is so gender neutral, because writing in German (or a Latin language, for that matter) would have meant giving the twist away far sooner, and yes, it was fun writing lines that either could have spoken. And coming up with an appropriate Elizabethan version of Brand in the first place!

I've been reading PotC fanfic, mostly by [livejournal.com profile] penknife and [livejournal.com profile] artaxastra, for a good while now, but never wrote one until this meme, and the combination our Carrie asked for was just irresistable....





Date: 2008-01-28 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Very lovely, although I have to admit that I got a little lost during the cat transformation moments, not being up to date with current X-men canon (FYI, "current" meaning anything after, oh, 1986 I think). This seems to fit well into the 1602 verse, though.

Date: 2008-01-28 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Ah. The whole thing was meant as a 1602 parallel to what happened to Hank in "regular" canon, where he went from looking like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Uncanny8.jpg

to looking like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Beastastonishing.jpg

Which happened because he drank an experimental solution. Also, Abigail in the story is my Elizabethan version of Agent (Abigail) Brand, who is a character Joss Whedon invented for his run of Astonishing X-Men; she's very ruthless, sarcastic and basically a female Bester in that she's played both as an antagonist and occasional ally of Our Heroes, depending on mutual enemies or lack of same, and absolutely dedicated to her agenda (which is not an evil one, though some of her methods are). Also, she and Hank have this great bickering relationship complete with UST and a night spent in a snowstorm where they managed to keep warm and Joss is a complete tease as to how. This is her in the icon.

Date: 2008-01-28 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
where he went from looking like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Uncanny8.jpg

to looking like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Beastastonishing.jpg


Oh-kay.

Agent Brand: you mention her now and then, don't you? I have some of the TPBs of Joss Whedon's (first? Only?) Astonishing X-Men lying around, but haven't really looked into them that much. Pure Superhero comics aren't really my thing I'm afraid.

Date: 2008-01-28 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Joss' AXM: Three trade collections (i.e. six issues collected in each) so far, Gifted, Dangerous and Torn, and he's in the business of concluding his fourth and final arc. And, um. After the Torn arc finished, I wrote an essay about Emma Frost (http://selenak.livejournal.com/253911.html) and her arc through all of AXM, which together with the ones I mention in it by [livejournal.com profile] resolute and [livejournal.com profile] likeadeuce got linked at Whedonesque. And then, err, this happened (http://whedonesque.com/comments/11873#151001)...

Date: 2008-01-28 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
It's Gifted, definitely.

And then, err, this happened...

*g* The creator comments on comments! Well done! The connectivity (is that even a word?) between author and readership (or creative teams and fans in general) has surely grown a lot over the last few years, thanks to the internet.

Date: 2008-01-28 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You should give it a go. It's Joss in fine form (and ironically far better than the BTVS comics); Gifted, btw, does the "cure" storyline years before X3 and much more intelligent than same. You don't have to be an X-men expert to get Gifted, I wasn't, either, though I started reading up on crucial storylines afterwards, before the next arc, which was good, because more and more backstory is dealt with, especially in arc No.3, Torn. Though I've met readers who still haven't read any other X-men comics than AXM and "got" the ongoing developments without a problem, too.

Well done!

Behold my original reaction (http://selenak.livejournal.com/253911.html?thread=3461847#t3461847)!

Date: 2008-01-28 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
(and ironically far better than the BTVS comics)

Well, I found them kind of uneven, to be honest. I wasn't too fond of MinorCharacter'sDeath, not least because it seemed so obviously a typical Joss move, and though I liked the Faith arc, it also made me want to buy Bryan K. Vaughan a trip to England, to meet some actual English people.

Other than that, I have only read his Fray miniseries, which left me pretty cold, as I found it very by-the-numbers.

Gifted, btw, does the "cure" storyline years before X3 and much more intelligent than same.

Knowing X-3, that's faint praise.

As for being an expert, I think I know most of the characters that appear in the first one, and have already spotted one of my X-men nemeses. (I am the only person who dislikes Kitty Pryde, right?) But, alas, if life hands you a phasing annoyance...

Seriously, though, I'd be interested to see what Whedon does with characters and a world that aren't his invention, and fortunately, I don't have to buy Gifted, as I have a source. ;)

Date: 2008-01-29 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Not having read the last two issues of the BTVS comic, I still agree with you. (And I only read one Fray, which didn't really catch me as well.) That's why I emphasized how good AXM is. It has all the passion and layers and tight writing the other two do not so much.

Kitty: no, I think the fandom is fairly evenly divided between Kitty haters and Kitty fans. For me, it depends on who is writing her. And I must admit I feel very smug about one thing: when AXM started, a lot of disgruntled Wesley/Lilah'shippers predicted that because Emma is the morally ambiguous woman and Kitty is the young babbling woman, Joss would split up Scott and Emma and pair up Scott and Kitty. As it then became apparant that this was not going to happen any time soon (the minimal interaction between Scott and Kitty and the fact her love interest was Colossus was kind of a clue...), they still insisted Emma would get killed of, evil-fied and what not to glorify Kitty and there was a lot of hysterical hate postings about how Joss hates adult woman. Meanwhile, yours truly kept the faith and pointed out what he did was actually take Emma serious, supervillain past and survivor of genocide included, what that would do to someone's psyche, and how her relationship with Scott factored in, and it ended in the best storyarc Emma ever had. (I've read up on others since.) When Torn ended just as the reverse of what the hysterics had predicting, it was really gratifying on that count, too (in addition to being a good story).

Also, I love how the characters Joss inherited - Scott, Emma, Hank, Logan, Kitty - and those he created for AXM - Brand, Kavita Rao, Wing, Hisako, Blindfold - mesh, with the new characters never upstaging the old ones (Grant Morrison and his Gary Stu of a French ninja come to mind) but being used to deepen characterisation of the old ones. And every "Scott is boring" complainer has been forced to eat crow. There are character moments for everyone in between the action, and the dialogue is reliably to die for.

Date: 2008-01-29 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
And I must admit I feel very smug about one thing: when AXM started, a lot of disgruntled Wesley/Lilah'shippers predicted that because Emma is the morally ambiguous woman and Kitty is the young babbling woman, Joss would split up Scott and Emma and pair up Scott and Kitty.

But isn't it common X-men practice to pair Kitty off with Colossus? Besides, while I think all the parallels drawn here are a little bizarre, comparing Wes and Scott pretty much takes the cake.

there was a lot of hysterical hate postings about how Joss hates adult woman.

He does? I mean, I found Angel's gender elements a bit iffy as well, specifically in S5, but it's not like any of Wes' girlfriends survived, be that the evil lawyer or the babbling girl-scientist. And even though his adult women, both mentors and mothers, die a lot, at least on Buffy and Angel, they at least get to have meaning for their charges and get to have a personality, while his fathers are usually absent, or abandoning jerks. From what I've seen he seems to have a problem with father figures, not adult women.

his Gary Stu of a French ninja

Bwah. Do I really want to know?

I could imagine that this "old, shared characters vs. new, self-created characters" divide provides a general problem among superhero comic writers. It seems strange to me, since I'm usually reading the one author only stuff, and find it already quite curious if there is more than one artist (I love Sandman, for instance, but I wish he had had either Michael Zulli or Jill Thompson for the whole run. Especially the early ones are a very mixed success.)

Date: 2008-01-29 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Kitty: invariably ends up with guys named Peter, be it Peter Rasputin, Pete Wisdom or Peter Parker (she dates him in "Ultimate Spider-man). But Colossus was her first love, so when Joss brought him back, it was kinda obvious where this was going...

comparing Wes and Scott pretty much takes the cake

Well, you can draw some parallels (has morally ambiguous girlfriend whom he started to have sex with as a way to cope with lots of other issues and expression of self-loathing, after which the relationship got surprisingly deeper, in recent years gets depicted with stubble), but the differences are far greater.

Girfriend survival: I must point out Wesley's s2 girlfriend, Virginia (incidentally an adult woman and decidedly not a virgin when Wes hooks up with her), survives. Why? She breaks up with him. *g*

From what I've seen he seems to have a problem with father figures, not adult women.

I think the evidence people produce for "Joss hates adult women!" always comes down to anger over the fact he killed off Lilah. And about Cordelia. Now I agree Cordelia's development was a hopeless mess (and wrote a post about it, pointing out the problems started far earlier than people claim, as early as s2 of AtS), but the fact she wasn't in school anymore and thus was an adult woman really was not the reason for it. The only other example I've seen quoted is Jenny Calendar, which is bewildering as well (I mean, Jenny's death is a pivotal plot point in s2 of BTVS, and as has been mentioned by the writers, including Joss, the only other character they could have let Angelus kill at that point was Oz who hadn't been established enough for it to have the same emotional impact) and imo showing how desperate an argument that is.

Daddy issues and father figures: quite. I think Giles and Book are the only positive older male mentor figures around. Otoh, one has to admit he has a sense of humour about it (i.e. in the episode where Fred's parents visit, everyone's big shock is that they're completely nice and normal and love their daughter and their daughter loves them).

Grant Morrison's French Ninja of a Gary Stu:

No, you don't, but if you want good Morrison rants, check out these:

http://likeadeuce.livejournal.com/tag/hating+on+grant+morrison

The Sandman artists: oh yeah. I so wish the same thing.


Date: 2008-01-29 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Girfriend survival: I must point out Wesley's s2 girlfriend, Virginia (incidentally an adult woman and decidedly not a virgin when Wes hooks up with her), survives. Why? She breaks up with him. *g*

Virginia! Loved her (as I loved a lot of the recurring female characters on Angel). And yes, breaking up seems to save lives more often than not. Future Girlfriends of Peter Petrelli, take note!

Lilah's death: I was never a great fan, so this didn't bother me much, and I never saw it as part of a pattern, other than maybe that unfortunate tendency to kill off almost all female characters in S5 (I know that was end of S4, but admittedly it is connected). That she was succeeded by Eve must have stung, though.
Cordelia: I agree, a horrible mess. I always had the feeling that they didn't really know what to do with her after some point, and felt they had to pair her off with Angel because she was the female lead. But I would put her case also among a more general problem with female characters Angel as a show seemed to have.
Jenny's death: was pivotal, and is to this day the only situation where I buy Joss's mantra of killing off characters people care about. In that case it worked, and didn't either look completely calculated (like the second death in Serenity) or got so tied up in meta-issues that the in-story consequences got lost in the outrage. And even though I loved Jenny, I'm glad they didn't kill Oz. I am wondering, though: did they discuss whether they ever thought of Angelus killing Joyce? I do understand why they didn't do that, but I would be surprised if it wasn't at least mentioned.

I think Giles and Book are the only positive older male mentor figures around.

But both have their secrets - and I suppose in Book's case, they are pretty bad. Giles also arguably abandons his charges in later seasons. He's still miles away from Hank or Wesley's father, of course - or even the Mayor, who is a good father substitute to Faith, but at the same time abuses his influence over her.

http://likeadeuce.livejournal.com/tag/hating+on+grant+morrison

Love the tag...

Date: 2008-01-29 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Future Girlfriends of Peter Petrelli, take note!

I was thinking the same thing. *g* Btw, re: Kitty Pryde and Petrelli girlfriends, back when I was still active in [livejournal.com profile] theatrical_muse, one of the more bewildering things about the way the person who took up Nathan played him was that she had him date Kitty Pryde. Now despite her canonical tendency to date people named Peter, I can't even see Kitty date the younger Petrelli brother (or vice versa, actually), but the mind utterly and completely boggles at a Kitty/Nathan combination...

I always had the feeling that they didn't really know what to do with her after some point, and felt they had to pair her off with Angel because she was the female lead.

I had similar thoughts, and some more informed by Greenwaltian interviews. My own analysis of the Cordelia situation is here:

http://selenak.livejournal.com/228591.html

And even though I loved Jenny, I'm glad they didn't kill Oz. I am wondering, though: did they discuss whether they ever thought of Angelus killing Joyce? I do understand why they didn't do that, but I would be surprised if it wasn't at least mentioned.

I don't think it was, for a practical meta reason: Buffy was 17 at this point, and there was no way they could have justified her father not taking her to Los Angeles if her mother had suddenly died. As it was, it was already implausible said father didn't make at least a show effort for Dawn, but that was at least some years later when Buffy was an adult.

Book's secrets: Serenity pretty much settled for me that he was a former operative, y/n?

*uses favourite Jossverse father and son in icon, which, naturally, is messed up relationship*

Date: 2008-01-29 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
back when I was still active in [info]theatrical_muse, one of the more bewildering things about the way the person who took up Nathan played him was that she had him date Kitty Pryde.

She had him date just one person Kitty?! Leaving aside the fact that the Kitty in my head is roughly twelve, there should be a lot more dominant, independent blondes in the X-men verse he could date more realistically, no? Besides, given Nathan's tendency to get stuck in Schroedinger's Cat situations at the end of Volumes/Seasons, she should have put him with Scott, it would have been familiar.

*will read your thoughts on Cordy in a sec*

Book's secrets: Serenity pretty much settled for me that he was a former operative, y/n?

Yes, definitely, but I would describe that as bad (certainly worse than having had a rowdy youth spent dabbling in the dark arts).

Date: 2008-01-29 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*g* Kitty is in her early twenties now in X-men continuity, and I think the one in tm was, too, but I didn't read too many of her posts.

She had him date just one person Kitty?!

I know. And during the s1 timeline (s1 was still broadcasting then), too.

there should be a lot more dominant, independent blondes in the X-men verse he could date more realistically, no?

To be fair, I think she also had him date Cassandra from Highlander (who isn't blonde but dominant and also a few millennia old). But I stopped reading the prompts after a few entries, because her version of Nathan for some reason hated Heidi. ('Twas bad fanfic Heidi bashing, verily.) (The Peter player was even more bizarre because she had him hate Simone. And Angela. In season 1. After that, I shook my head and gave up on both players.) (But the Nathan/Kitty idea still take the prize for most bizarre combination...)

Besides, given Nathan's tendency to get stuck in Schroedinger's Cat situations at the end of Volumes/Seasons, she should have put him with Scott, it would have been familiar.

ROTFLOL. Well, yes. And now you're making me wonder about a Nathan/Emma/Scott threesome. (Considering Emma is a blonde and also the product of a dysfunctional rich family, with parent issues and a crazy brother as the family member she loved best, they certainly share things already...)

Book as former operative:

Yes, definitely, but I would describe that as bad (certainly worse than having had a rowdy youth spent dabbling in the dark arts).

Granted, but going into a monastery and later wandering with Mal and his merry band is a more radical form of atonement than joining the Watchers and hanging out in Sunnydale.

Although: back when everyone speculated what kind of fanfic DW characters would write, I said Three clearly would write Giles-centric fanfic, Giles/Ethan slash and character exploration pieces about how the Watchers were stupid gits for exiling him to Sunnydale despite the fact he actually liked Sunnydale. Oh, and under a different alias unrequited deeply buried Giles/Buffy.

Date: 2008-01-29 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
But I stopped reading the prompts after a few entries, because her version of Nathan for some reason hated Heidi.

How very convenient! This tendency is still much of a mystery to me, because while I could understand finding Heidi boring, given that she's virtually a saint in the first season, hating her really smacks of overdoing the imaginary boyfriend factor. (I'd say her rather abrupt departure in Season 2 is debatable, since leaving your dying husband is kind of morally abhorrent, but I always saw that as a writing problem, like most of Nathan's storyline in 4MA really. I was wondering if they had originally planned to do more with him, but realized that the makeup was restricting Pasdar's acting too much.)

The Peter player was even more bizarre because she had him hate Simone. And Angela. In season 1.

Right...

And now you're making me wonder about a Nathan/Emma/Scott threesome. (Considering Emma is a blonde and also the product of a dysfunctional rich family, with parent issues and a crazy brother as the family member she loved best, they certainly share things already...)

Well, and think about Scott's general family issues, they could provide bonding material as well.

Granted, but going into a monastery and later wandering with Mal and his merry band is a more radical form of atonement than joining the Watchers and hanging out in Sunnydale.

It's both traditional - Book is that Western archetype who, distraught at his horrible deeds, becomes a priest to atone for his sins, and Giles is the bad boy gone domestic/boring.

Although: back when everyone speculated what kind of fanfic DW characters would write, I said Three clearly would write Giles-centric fanfic, Giles/Ethan slash and character exploration pieces about how the Watchers were stupid gits for exiling him to Sunnydale despite the fact he actually liked Sunnydale. Oh, and under a different alias unrequited deeply buried Giles/Buffy.

Hee. Who would be the Brig then, I wonder?

Date: 2008-01-29 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
This tendency is still much of a mystery to me, because while I could understand finding Heidi boring, given that she's virtually a saint in the first season, hating her really smacks of overdoing the imaginary boyfriend factor.

Quite. It's also bad writing in general and bad characterisation in particular. I mean, I've written and played several characters, and yes, there is a difference to normal fanfic (the first person narration and the fact you're not the only one driving the narrative, you're interacting with other players), but still, the same general rules apply. No character bashing, and no imposing your own views on the character you're supposed to be describing/playing.

I was wondering if they had originally planned to do more with him, but realized that the makeup was restricting Pasdar's acting too much.

Could be; or it could be they shot some more scenes in general which didn't make it in the final cut. (I think some interviews before said there's be a scene about Matt and Mohinder moving in together, and obviously that wasn't there.) But the make-up certainly limited interaction, that and the fact you can't let him credibly carry out dialogue-heavy scenes when he's supposed to be that badly burned. (When I tried to write my BadWrong Heidi/Angela idea, this was actually what brought me to a grinding halt - the Heidi/Nathan scenes and trying to figure out how much he could plausibly talk.)

The Summers clan: certainly can hold their own next to the Petrellis. Given Scott's offspring from different timelines, he can bond with Nathan over having children you don't know who show up grown (or almost so) and remember absolutely super parents which you can't possibly compete with...

...and if Arthur comes back and shows the slightest resemblance to a space pirate, they can just call him Corsair...

Re: Giles: I always found it funny that the persona William creates as Spike is much like the Ripper persona Giles had as a young man. And yes, Book is very much a Western archetype.

Hee. Who would be the Brig then, I wonder?

Either Joyce, or Principal Snyder undergoes a sudden 180 %character transformation...

Date: 2008-01-29 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
I mean, I've written and played several characters, and yes, there is a difference to normal fanfic (the first person narration and the fact you're not the only one driving the narrative, you're interacting with other players)

That sounds a lot like RPGing, in fact. Is someone providing scenarios, or do the players just meet and basically cook something up together?

or it could be they shot some more scenes in general which didn't make it in the final cut. (I think some interviews before said there's be a scene about Matt and Mohinder moving in together, and obviously that wasn't there.)

Not only that, the promos even had hints of a What happened to Sylar storyline, but I'm sure people didn't mind seeing Maya's adventures in telenovela land instead. (On the other hand, given that there were rumours that Sylar was originally meant to end up with a freely roaming Adam, the final storyline was probably so plothole-y, they thought it better to just ignore it.)

...and if Arthur comes back and shows the slightest resemblance to a space pirate, they can just call him Corsair...

While I know Daddy Summers wore only a rakish headscarf, I now imagine Arthur with an eyepatch...

Spike as a Ripper clone: yeah, I'm sure Giles loved that.

And yes, Book is very much a Western archetype.

Well, so is almost everyone else: Mal is the jaded veteran/ex-idealist, Zoe is the loyal lieutenant with hints of the stoic Indian sidekick, Wash is the comic relief (okay, that one's universal), Simon is the doctor and the fish out of water from the East coast, Kaylee is the spunky kid, and Inara is the Whore with a Heart, but strangely also the School Marm to a certain degree, given her sophistication. River is a bit of a problem, archetype-wise, but she could be the Gentleman's rebellious kid sister.

The Brig as Joyce: some unconscious crushing might sneakily come to the surface in that scenario.

Date: 2008-01-29 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
[Unknown site tag] is a prompt community with optional RPG, i.e. you pick up a muse, you have to write one out of four monthly prompts at the very least, and more often than not, you find yourself interacting with other muses which starts RPGS. But only the prompts are a must. I played Londo for years, and then Darla and Connor, but recently had to give them up.

While I know Daddy Summers wore only a rakish headscarf, I now imagine Arthur with an eyepatch...

And suddenly I wonder about Michael "Tigh" Hogan as Arthur. (See, that's one crack combination nobody asked for at my meme prompt! I was asked for BSG characters and Petrellis, but not Saul Tigh. Though Arthur of course would have been another version of the Saul model. Being hybrids explains so much about the boys! ) They so should have gone for an Alias steal for the vol.2 cliffhanger, complete with "...Dad?", as the brothers and Matt confront the mysterious ganglord hiding in the Company vaults...

Spike as a Ripper clone: yeah, I'm sure Giles loved that.

Me too. Clearly why he was so annoyed by Spike, I mean, beyond the vampire thing.

Western archetypes: somewhere I have a meta post on that, too, because yes, of course they are, just as everyone on BTVS is a highschool movie archetype... and in both cases, you get a twist.

The Brig as Joyce: some unconscious crushing might sneakily come to the surface in that scenario.

Yes indeed. There is a very wistful story he wrote about Giles listening to "Tales of Ulysses" after Joyce died and wondering about might have beens.

Sidenote: eons ago I linked to a great Three portrait, from regeneration to regeneration, and there was some Brig slash in between, too, in that restrained Brig way...

(I so loved the scene in Battlefield when Seven asks the Brig after the later greeted him with "Doctor" how he (the Brig) knew it was him, and the Brig looks at Seven on the ground, looks at the Arthurian zombie knights running away and says with a fond smile "Well, who else could it have been?")

Date: 2008-01-29 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
And suddenly I wonder about Michael "Tigh" Hogan as Arthur.

Yes! Although he really would have to tone down his accent, unless Arthur spend the last year hiding in Canada.

Though Arthur of course would have been another version of the Saul model. Being hybrids explains so much about the boys!

...Actually, that would really explain a lot, including Nathan's preference for blondes.

They so should have gone for an Alias steal for the vol.2 cliffhanger, complete with "...Dad?", as the brothers and Matt confront the mysterious ganglord hiding in the Company vaults...

I would have loved that, especially with Greg Grunberg in the room. Well, it's not too late, they still could have him perform the Irena maneouvre.

(I so loved the scene in Battlefield when Seven asks the Brig after the later greeted him with "Doctor" how he (the Brig) knew it was him, and the Brig looks at Seven on the ground, looks at the Arthurian zombie knights running away and says with a fond smile "Well, who else could it have been?")

Oh, I have to finish "borrowing" that. I saw it last when I was around twelve.

Date: 2008-01-28 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Behold my original reaction!

Hee!

Of course, it's Joss. I reacted virtually the same way to the production designer of Veronica Mars saying that one of my drawings looked cute, that's a bit of a different level...*g*

Date: 2008-02-01 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdofromafar.livejournal.com
I am so delighted that you chose to write 1602 X-men. I loved the miniseries but haven't had time to go searching for 1602 fanfiction. I particularly enjoyed your 17th century version of Agent Brand and the way you've seamlessly combined the three worlds together. All in all, a great read to start the morning with. :)

Date: 2008-02-01 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*beams*

I'm happy as a kitten 17th century!Brand works for you!

Re: 1602 fanfic: I wrote one story before, which is here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2135689/1/Days_After).

Two years ago, there was a great ficathon, and my favourites among there results are recced here (http://selenak.livejournal.com/243147.html) (there is also a link to the entire ficathon).

Date: 2008-02-03 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdofromafar.livejournal.com
Thank you so much! *hurries off to read*

Date: 2008-06-23 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com
This is really lovely, and needs more exposure. Brand and Elizabeth Swann would get along well -- they share that ruthless streak, though Brand is a lot more overt with hers because of position and because she's just NOT subtle.

I rather like the idea of her as a 1602 character, and that she still mourns Hal years (decades?) after his death.

Date: 2008-06-23 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
1602 was the first idea I had when challenged to connect Elizabeth Swann to Hank McCoy, and my second was that there had to be a 1602 Brand. This was my first attempt at writing the character (and Hank/Brand), and putting her in a 1602 environment sort of eased my way in. Similarly, while I love [livejournal.com profile] artaxastra's stories and while she is my favourite PotC character, I had never tackled Elizabeth before, so I'm glad it all went well!

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