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I don't know why this cracks me up the way it does, but - well. The current editor-in-chief for Marvel comics, Joe Quesada, is, especially after the stunt he pulled with Spider-man and Mary Jane, less than popular with comic readers at large, to put it mildly. DW only fans, if you think RTD is controversial every other time he gives an interview, imagine that cubed to the nth degree.

Now, Paul Cornell, whom as a DW fan you first associate with his (great and currently Hugo-nominated) episodes (and his DW novels written before the relaunch of the show, and Scream of the Shalka, and...) also earns his living as a Marvel writer. (I haven't read his Pete Wisdom comics, but [livejournal.com profile] londonkds writes glowing reviews for them, so I assume they're good.) And has a blog. And in a recent entry, he urges people to vote for "the lovely Joe Quesada" in a "Most Inspiring American Latino" contest. Um. Somehow I doubt Joe Q. will win any votes from the comics-reading community right now...

Date: 2008-04-18 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenpear.livejournal.com
I don't read comics anymore but generally follow some of the stories. My first though upon hearing this was it would have been interesting after the memory loss for Peter to be maried to Gwen Stacy. Maybe he did find a way to save her without breaking her neck...

Date: 2008-04-18 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
They already did this in House of M (where he was not only married to Gwen but had a child, and the most fascinating thing was that this reality was build upon his own idea of an ideal world). The strongest problem with the current retcon is how Quesada justified it in interviews: because being married - which he has been since years - makes Peter Parker into someone the younger audience can't identify with, in his opinion. Not just married to Mary Jane, married to anyone. At which point one rolls one's eyes and sighs...

Date: 2008-04-18 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenpear.livejournal.com
See what I've missed?

I think Joe needs a reality check...

Date: 2008-04-18 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com
Surely Joe Quesada has to be "lovely" to someone!

Date: 2008-04-18 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
It gives us all hope.*g*

Date: 2008-04-18 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
I don't find Russell T. Davies's recent interviews controversial, just irritating!

Date: 2008-04-18 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
No argument here, though I try to avoid reading his interviews in general (with most headwriters, actually, I'm with you there re: Matthew Graham, too; Joss is an exception because the man is just too quotable not to be read). But I'm talking about the fandom reaction at large, with lj as my vague barometer.

And ROTFLOL about your icon. Very apropos!

And I've always thought he was Italian

Date: 2008-04-18 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
I have to say that, though I know nothing about Dr. Who, or the fandom, I have recently seen a lot of people complaining about statements that TV creators have made 'out of character' (not only RTD but Ron Moore, Joss, etc) and I'm like. . .for God's sake, I hope these fans never get into comics. I mean, if you're going to be outraged by statements made by cuddly Joss, I can only imagine --

That said, I do with Marvel fandom would get a life and realize how much good old Proposition Joe has done for the industry, on balance, even if I get frustrated with him at times as well.

(Of course, I am not that likely to be taken aback by many creator statements, relatively speaking, since my gold standard from way back when I got into fandom is Tom Fontana, the Homicide executive producer, who justified hiring a model with little acting experience on the last season of the show by saying 'it's nice to have a woman in the cast that men actually want to fuck.")

Re: And I've always thought he was Italian

Date: 2008-04-18 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
I am so glad that Channel 4 gave up on Homicide when Pembleton quit.

Re: And I've always thought he was Italian

Date: 2008-04-19 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Yeah you really didn't miss anything in the final season. Sadly.

Italian is as Italian does!

Date: 2008-04-18 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
for God's sake, I hope these fans never get into comics. I mean, if you're going to be outraged by statements made by cuddly Joss, I can only imagine --

LOL. True, though. True.

Joe Q: as I've said before, nobody who wrote an issue of Tony/Living Armor slash can be all bad. *g*

since my gold standard from way back when I got into fandom is Tom Fontana, the Homicide executive producer, who justified hiring a model with little acting experience on the last season of the show by saying 'it's nice to have a woman in the cast that men actually want to fuck."

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...okay. That really does make the rest of the boys look breathtakingly harmless by comparison.

Re: Italian is as Italian does!

Date: 2008-04-20 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
For the record, I was at the Cuppa Joe panel at NY comicon last night, and it took about 6 questioners for someone to get into it with Joe about One More Day. (Randomly, the questioner looked remarkably like Ed Brubaker -- who was not at the con; Joe commented on this, and then when the guy started being argumentative, Joe said, 'You sound like Ed, too.) Then a couple questioners later, who should walk on from backstage but Stan Lee to say he supports everything Joe has done with Spider-man. Which was gimmicky but cute, and also, Stan!

Date: 2008-04-18 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Ah, Joe Quesada. The man who has never read manga, because hey, girls don't like comics, so why try and get Marvel invested in one of the hugest and fastest growing comic markets in the US? (Which they actually do by now, at least a little, but these comments just made me shake my head.)

...actually I have been wondering if naming one of Nathan's FBI contacts after him was meant as a compliment by the Heroes crew, seeing how the agents ended up.

In general, I try to stick to the "no interviews by producers/writers until after the fact." It's better to prevent headaches. And besides, 80% of them are sales pitches, anyway, as they constantly have to fish for audiences; as I don't plan to work in marketing, that's just not very interesting to me.

Date: 2008-04-18 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
The FBI namesake: *eyes Jeph Loeb, who writes for Kring and Quesada both* Who knows?

And yes, it's definitely headache-preventing to avoid these interviews. With actors, it depends, but in either case, they're not responsible for the creative decisions, so it's not the same kind of problem.

Date: 2008-04-18 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
With actors, it depends, but in either case, they're not responsible for the creative decisions, so it's not the same kind of problem.

Agreed. Besides, the way an actor perceives his or her character is so fundamentally different from an audience, it's easier to see their words from a certain distance. It gets problematic when the line between actor and character blurs too much - I usually find it hurts my perception of a show or character if I find the actor unlikable, thus I often avoid interviews. (Most recent example Thomas Dekker, obviously, and it really took me a while to view John objectively)

Date: 2008-04-18 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
A snowball's chance in hell.

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