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kathyh and anyone else fond of Captain Jack Sparrow: a fun vid which can be found here.
In other news, I managed to see Life of the Party and was greatly amused. Wouldn't be suprised if this wasn' t the general reaction, though.
I think this is the first Lorne-centric episode since season 2. Considering people have been wondering for a while why he's a regular instead of a recurring guest star and what he still contributes to the show, I'd guess that was the show's answer to it. And no, it's not that Lorne can organize parties. Ever since Cordy went comatose and he resigned himself to losing Connor, Angel has been slowly but steadily moving back to his mid-season 2 emotional state, only without even the vengeance incentive he had back then. Remember his conversation with Fred in Hellbound? It didn't even occur to him to be concerned about her physical or mental health, only about how much money she spent.
Now, compare and contrast. Angel does notice Lorne is exhausted, drained, repeatedly in this episode, and reacts to it. When he tucks Lorne in at the end and whispers in his ear, he shows more, in lack of a better term (considering we're talking about two demons here) human concern for him than he has for anyone else of his friends since the Connor mindwipe. I can't help but remember that through the noir period of season 2, Lorne was the only person Angel kept talking to. So, the reason why Lorne is still around, aside from the fact Joss & Co. like the character? Would be, imo, because Angel needs him.
Poor old Wes. Mindwiped as he is, he gives his season-3-style wooing of Fred another go and still ends up cast in the friend and confidant role while she gets interested in another guy. Not that I blame her. Knox is cute.*g* Also, while we don't know how exactly Wesley and Fred remember the later season 3 and 4 events, the Billy incident was before pregnant Darla arrived on the scene and hence ought to be present in their memories. And I always thought that one reason why Fred picked Gunn in season 3, conscious or subconscious, was because Billy gave her a good, hard look at Wesley's buried issues with the female sex.
The Angel/Eve tryst while Under The Influence? Was, imo, an excellent reversion of a cliché. Usually when Angel gets his once-a-season sex it's great drama/melodrama/tragedy. (Case in point: I Will Remember You with Buffy, Reprise with Darla, or the imagined sex with Cordelia in Awakening in season 3. Instead of the great drama, we get sex the most casual way possible, and best of all, Angel, king of unpleasant morning after remarks, for the first time gets to be on the other side of the "look, hon, it didn't mean anything and anyway you weren't that great" attitude. You know, if someone at W&H taped it - not the sex but Eve's exit line - you can't tell me that deep in their deepest hearts, Buffy and Darla wouldn't have enjoyed a view.
In other news: that storage department where they had Lorne's sleep looks like a set-up for future reference to me. Wiped memories?
kathyh and anyone else fond of Captain Jack Sparrow: a fun vid which can be found here.In other news, I managed to see Life of the Party and was greatly amused. Wouldn't be suprised if this wasn' t the general reaction, though.
I think this is the first Lorne-centric episode since season 2. Considering people have been wondering for a while why he's a regular instead of a recurring guest star and what he still contributes to the show, I'd guess that was the show's answer to it. And no, it's not that Lorne can organize parties. Ever since Cordy went comatose and he resigned himself to losing Connor, Angel has been slowly but steadily moving back to his mid-season 2 emotional state, only without even the vengeance incentive he had back then. Remember his conversation with Fred in Hellbound? It didn't even occur to him to be concerned about her physical or mental health, only about how much money she spent.
Now, compare and contrast. Angel does notice Lorne is exhausted, drained, repeatedly in this episode, and reacts to it. When he tucks Lorne in at the end and whispers in his ear, he shows more, in lack of a better term (considering we're talking about two demons here) human concern for him than he has for anyone else of his friends since the Connor mindwipe. I can't help but remember that through the noir period of season 2, Lorne was the only person Angel kept talking to. So, the reason why Lorne is still around, aside from the fact Joss & Co. like the character? Would be, imo, because Angel needs him.
Poor old Wes. Mindwiped as he is, he gives his season-3-style wooing of Fred another go and still ends up cast in the friend and confidant role while she gets interested in another guy. Not that I blame her. Knox is cute.*g* Also, while we don't know how exactly Wesley and Fred remember the later season 3 and 4 events, the Billy incident was before pregnant Darla arrived on the scene and hence ought to be present in their memories. And I always thought that one reason why Fred picked Gunn in season 3, conscious or subconscious, was because Billy gave her a good, hard look at Wesley's buried issues with the female sex.
The Angel/Eve tryst while Under The Influence? Was, imo, an excellent reversion of a cliché. Usually when Angel gets his once-a-season sex it's great drama/melodrama/tragedy. (Case in point: I Will Remember You with Buffy, Reprise with Darla, or the imagined sex with Cordelia in Awakening in season 3. Instead of the great drama, we get sex the most casual way possible, and best of all, Angel, king of unpleasant morning after remarks, for the first time gets to be on the other side of the "look, hon, it didn't mean anything and anyway you weren't that great" attitude. You know, if someone at W&H taped it - not the sex but Eve's exit line - you can't tell me that deep in their deepest hearts, Buffy and Darla wouldn't have enjoyed a view.
In other news: that storage department where they had Lorne's sleep looks like a set-up for future reference to me. Wiped memories?
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Date: 2003-11-12 08:20 am (UTC)First of all: Thanks for the postcard from iceland. :-)). It arrived today :-).
(Makes it even harder to disagree with you, but still ;-):
Wouldn't be suprised if this wasn' t the general reaction, though..
What do you see in the episode that makes you suspect other people will not like it?
Because, although I perfectly agree with your above points, still, you are right in suspecting this, at least for my part. ;-).
I think the episode was overdone in parts (Gun peeing all over the place, Lorn's subconsciousness resembling the incredible Hulk), but then again not exaggerated enough to be a good parody. It got stuck somewhere in the middle.
The parts you mention are really good bits, but to my mind they remain bits. Also, the episode has imho a rather uninspired flair to it. (In that, of course, resembling perfectly the usual party atmosphere, but I digress ;-) ). All in all I was quite disappointed, especially after the dense, almost claustrophobic feeling that Hellbound had.
But it could be that the episode simply turned me off because I hated this "party music" soundtrack, and was just pleased when it had finally finished. (The music, of course. The episode was not that bad ;-). (Somehow the sound on my copy was distorted. Or was this by reason?) So my judgment may be impaired ...
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Date: 2003-11-12 10:46 am (UTC)I'm glad the're trying the Knox/Fred thing (though I'd be happiest with Willow/Fred, cause that would just be too much cuteness to handle) instead of the Wes/Fred thing.
Also, I adore Lorne and always have, and the vault of "things removed"? While watching, I turned to my friend and said, "Um...foreshadow much?" Especially when they made a point of having Fred mention that things other than sleep were stored there. Yep. ::waits for Lilah and
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Date: 2003-11-12 02:55 pm (UTC)Bwahaha... That was a classic. Thanks for the link. The matching of the words with the actions was truly inspired.
Can't comment on Life of the Party but my impression is that the episode stood or fell according to whether people found it funny or whether they didn't.