Jossverse nostalgia and Lost review
Mar. 3rd, 2010 10:48 amBefore I get into Lost's newest episode, some thoughts about a fandom of ages past. So, this past week or so I had a wave of nostalgia and was inspired to check on some recent Buffyverse meta. Where, among other things, I read this interesting post, but what made me boggle for a moment wasn't the post itself but several comments which say that it's difficult to deal with the Spike/Harmony sex in AtS season 5. This was one of those moments where once again one realises that as a non-shipper, it's really a whole different character world out there, because I really had to think about what the problem there was supposed to be. I mean, I have no doubt Spike still loved Buffy in AtS season 5. But I also think that reacting to being recoporalized with a) drinking, b) touching and c) sex was entirely in character for Mr. Impulsiveness. (I also have no doubt he and Angel had a lot of angry office and some hurt/comfort sex during the rest of the season, but since we didn't see that on screen, I realise it's not a problem for the shippers.) Plus, you know, precedent. In s5 of BTVS when Spike was busy falling in love with Buffy and trying to get her (positive) attention, he had no problem having simultanously sex with Harmony. He always used her as a sexual convenience; the only difference between unsouled and souled Spike was that the souled version held back on the vicious insults ("I love syphilis more than you") while doing so and managed to actually have one decent conversation with her (at the end of Harm's Way). Said conversation aside, Spike/Harmony never showed Spike in a good light, so I get why some of his fans try to ignore it, but it's entirely a part of who he is.
Thinking of this made me follow up on my nostalgia by rewatching an AtS s5 episode. Now, for newbies to these ramblings, my Angel seasons attitude is, in short: loved s1 (and the later half of s1 line up of Angel, Cordelia and Wesley is my favourite team combination on that show), loved the Darla arc of s2 even more, though not all of it, was severely tempted to stop watching in s3, though some (few) aspects of it I treasure, fell in love with show and characters again in s4 which is the season I regard as the best (best written and plotted from beginning to end, most moving, etc.), and was okay-ish with s5. Back in the day, I recall there were two main groups of objectors to Spike in s5 - one who didn't want him there to begin with, regarding the infliction of Spike on the ATS team as an indignity which would take away precious screentime from their beloved characters, and the other who hadn't even watched Angel until then and sulked when their Spike wasn't presented as a romantic hero but as an annoying though occasionally endearing little brother. Meanwhile, yours truly was vastly entertained by the Angel/Spike double act of bickering vampires, thought it was quite refreshing for both characters, actually, and thus justified Spike's rating ploy resurrection. There were some aspects of s5 I wasn't so keen on, but Spike really wasn't one of them. Whether it was the mutual insults routine or the occasional serious conversaton (such as in Damage about victims and monsters - speaking of Damage, this was also also a quite important episode to make up for aspects of the severely problematic Lies my parents told me in s7 of BTVS), and of course the slash factor ("does that make me some kind of deviant?"), I enjoyed it all. Rewatching Destiny, I saw I still do. And was even able to quote exchanges from other episodes, such as "I never told you this, but I liked your poetry" "You like Barry Manilow!" Good times, good times.
Now, on to the goings on on a certain island:
( Jacob drives a hard bargain )
Thinking of this made me follow up on my nostalgia by rewatching an AtS s5 episode. Now, for newbies to these ramblings, my Angel seasons attitude is, in short: loved s1 (and the later half of s1 line up of Angel, Cordelia and Wesley is my favourite team combination on that show), loved the Darla arc of s2 even more, though not all of it, was severely tempted to stop watching in s3, though some (few) aspects of it I treasure, fell in love with show and characters again in s4 which is the season I regard as the best (best written and plotted from beginning to end, most moving, etc.), and was okay-ish with s5. Back in the day, I recall there were two main groups of objectors to Spike in s5 - one who didn't want him there to begin with, regarding the infliction of Spike on the ATS team as an indignity which would take away precious screentime from their beloved characters, and the other who hadn't even watched Angel until then and sulked when their Spike wasn't presented as a romantic hero but as an annoying though occasionally endearing little brother. Meanwhile, yours truly was vastly entertained by the Angel/Spike double act of bickering vampires, thought it was quite refreshing for both characters, actually, and thus justified Spike's rating ploy resurrection. There were some aspects of s5 I wasn't so keen on, but Spike really wasn't one of them. Whether it was the mutual insults routine or the occasional serious conversaton (such as in Damage about victims and monsters - speaking of Damage, this was also also a quite important episode to make up for aspects of the severely problematic Lies my parents told me in s7 of BTVS), and of course the slash factor ("does that make me some kind of deviant?"), I enjoyed it all. Rewatching Destiny, I saw I still do. And was even able to quote exchanges from other episodes, such as "I never told you this, but I liked your poetry" "You like Barry Manilow!" Good times, good times.
Now, on to the goings on on a certain island:
( Jacob drives a hard bargain )