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Some post Civil War tales have been written already, to my fannish relief, for I crave them. Mind you, most of what's written is not compatible with my interests in the MCU, to wit: Reader/Anyone - not interested. Steve/Bucky - not interested. Loki/Anyone (this is still going on?) - not interested. Actually, Bucky/Anyone - not interested. (Bucky centric gen I might be more open for now, but still, not what I'm primarily looking for.)

Meanwhile, post Civil War or Civil War inspired tales I am interested in include:

Maybe not soon : post-movie snippets from the entire ensemble winding down. Makes Clint and Scott Lang feel less random and more organic to me, in particular.

Readjust : Tony and Rhodey. As I mentioned once or a thousand times, I was invested in "wrong" sidekick in this movie, and the Tony and Rhodey conversation in the last but one scene was to me what the Steve and Bucky stuff was for a many other viewers . So I was delighted to find this post movie story about them - this is the "long term not entirely platonic friends who just have been through traumatic events (again)" hurt/comfort tale that speaks to me.

Errata: or, five times that Tony Stark was wrong (and one time he thought he was right)What it says on the label, set during and after Civil War.

The Piano in the Corner : Civil War finally gave us a look at Maria Stark (and stopped the thing where "dead parents" in a superhero movie in effect means "dead father, with dead mother not talked about"). So, Maria angst!

Current Mood: grateful
Current Location: on the train

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wee_warrior

Most of the fanfic I've seen for the MCU made me run away screaming so far, and Civil War didn't make that much better (no,guys, Bucky won't be magically healed through the power of Steve's glorious abs. No, really.). And no, shipping Bucky doesn't work, unless it's Bucky/Therapy. Or roadtrips with Sam, or alternatively, roadtrips with both Scott Lang and Spiderman geeking out at him and being accidentally insensitive about tons of brainwashing/HYDRA stuff.

Loki/Anyone (this is still going on?)

I still ship Loki/Hulk smashing him into the floor. One of the best scenes in Avengers for me.

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selenak

But magical healing sex for all maladies, physical or psychological, is such a well established trope. :) Seriously though, Bucky currently gets most of the OFCs in addition to Steve and some T'Challa if summaries are anything to go by. Re: road trip, Sam and Scott Lang are at his disposal, but Spiderman has homework in New York. (And Tony Stark, whom I've discovered will be in Spiderman: Homecoming as well.)

I hear you on Loki. Though The Dark World made me buy that the sibling relationship between him and Thor is mutual for the first time.

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wee_warrior

Yeah, I think a lot of people were pretty upset at the mid-credits sequence. Except for the T'Chucky shippers, who seemed largely delighted that they graduated from crack ship to something that might actually work, somehow. (My reaction was mostly, yes, v. sad, but understandable, and before the events of the movie, he'd probably have killed himself eventually instead, so this is definitely improvement. Also probably means that he'll show up in the Black Panther movie in some form, so all in all, not too bad? I may not be emo enough for internet fandom.)

Potential roadtrips: ah, yes. We don't want to keep Peter from doing his homework, or him and Tony from developing their budding Dubious Mentor/Wide-eyed Apprentice dynamic. Incidentally, there have been rumours about Cap maybe appearing in Homecoming as well (rumoured, as opposed to Tony definitely showing up), so they can give the poor kid whiplash about who he should really follow around.

Loki: Alas, I've not seen the Thor movies, since I'm even more afraid of Anthony Hopkins - Odin than I was of Daddy Issues - Loki. (Strangely enough, I like both Hemsworth!Thor and what I have seen of the remaining supporting mythological characters, but here the characterization simply seemed less off to me.) But I'm glad the second one sells the sibling relationship.

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selenak

Oh, Hopkins!Odin isn't like mythology Odin at all, which isn't Anthony Hopkins' fault, it's that Marvel Odin (both in comics and movies) is just your US standard patriarchal deity giving his sons issues, zilch basis on Norse mythology. So looking foward to Ian McShane!Odin/Wednesday, I can't tell you. (Am following the AG writers and Neil Gaiman on twitter and squeeing every time a picture is posted.)

As for the Thor movies, they're fun once you've separated them in your mind from the myths. Neither the best nor the worst of what the MCU has to offer, and certainly deserving the points it gets for giving Jane a female sidekick, Darcy, in a role that in 99% other movies (sadly) would have gone to a man because the gender is immaterial. (I'm not as Darcy mad as much of fandom who is still busy pairing her with everyone as much as Loki gets paired with people, and it's not hard to see why - Darcy is the obvious audience avater in these movies, and Kat Denning is a good comedian - but I do appreciate her existence.) Basically the Thor movies are like 1980s fantasy movies, and I grew up in the 80s, so I'm not immune to the charm while not regarding them as a must.

(Oh, and what ultimately sold me on the sibling thing was Loki non-stop critisizing Thor's driving after Thor broke him out of prison for plot reasons. That sounded so very familiar.)

Morally dubious mentor/wide eyed apprentice dynamic, indeed, and it's a given how it ends, not just because of the comics. Mind you, Tony at his most dubious is way more fun to hang out with than Norman "Green Goblin" Osborn or Dr. Octopus or the reptilian one from the Garfield movie or any of the middle agend scientists (and sometimes rich scientists) Peter bonds with before discovering what they're really up to and needing to stop them. Also Tony is less likely to kill and/or impregnate Peter's first love than Norman Osborne (who managed to do both in the comics), so there's that.

I hope Steve stays away, to be honest. Not just because the comics already did the thing with Peter seeing the light and joining Team Cap (

likeadeuce used to have this hilarious Bad Daddy/Good Daddy icon with Tony, Peter and Steve), but because that if/when Peter outgrows being mentored, I really don't want it to be because he just latches on on an alternate mentor and/or thinks Steve was right all along. (Yes, partly because I'm still convinced Steve is wrong.) Not to mention that I hope it'll be a while till we reach the Peter's disillusionment stage, because Tony really needs some cheering up right now, and RDJ does the snarky mentor thing beautifully (did it in Iron Man 3 already).

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wee_warrior

Marvel!Odin as the standard patriarchal deity: 'tis as I feared, then. I guess a trickster as the leader of the pantheon is as unfathomable as an underworld deity who is not evil. *pats both Hades and Anubis*

1980s fantasy movies: not the same attachment here, though I do recall having a very strong emotional bond with the live-action He-Man flick! (And then there are things like Labyrinth and Ladyhawke, of course, but that's just a different genre of fantasy altogether.)

Of Dark World, I've seen both the scene where Chris Evans plays Loki-as-Steve and the one where Tom Hiddleston plays Loki-as-Steve, which was fun both as scenes by themselves and by comparison. Evans makes a fun Hiddleston!Loki.

Peter and dubious Mentor figures: Clearly, he collects them. (I haven't seen the Andrew Garfield versions, so I missed out on the reptilian one, but I was very fond of Octavius. Alfred Molina has long been a favourite.) And no matter how bad Tony gets, I think he'd still have trouble reaching Norman Osborne's levels of bad mentoring/parenting/general being.

Steve as other mentor figure: hmm, point taken. I'm just carefully pointing out that the movie may have set something up in that direction, given their brief "Queens!" - "Brooklyn!" conversation. However, right now it makes an awful lot of sense for Steve to just keep a low profile - and I think the new Spiderman movie is meant to be more of a Teen drama thing, so you can't put in too many old geezers, anyway. Besides, Peter is way too young to be desillusioned already, and maybe Tony should actually give the whole Substitute Dad thing a try, he could indeed need some distraction.

ETA: Obviously, I'm looking forward to McShane Wednesday, too, and happen to follow the same writers/writer twitter combo. :)

Edited Date: 2016-05-04 06:06 pm (UTC)