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First of all, a mighty caveat, which you could call the Weeping Angels Clause: I’m not really sure any of these should be revisited, because as the Angels illustrate, it can result in diminishing returns. They were a brilliant concept, brilliantly executed, in Blink, and I really wish Moffat had never used them again and found something else for the Eleventh Doctor and River to reunite over, because they were so much less interesting and more standard monster-y in their comebacks.

With this in mind:

Jenny from The Doctor’s Daughter: I know Big Finish actually did bring Jenny back, but there is only so much time in the world, and I haven’t had the chance to listen to her audio adventures yet. Anyway, I think an encounter between Thirteen & Friends on the one hand and Jenny on the other could be truly interesting and could also shake everyone out of their comfort zone. The Doctor as an absent parent (even if the way Jenny came to be wasn’t intentional, and of course the Doctor did not know Jenny survived) should press some of Ryan’s and Graham’s buttons. Jenny asking about Donna and Martha would bring home to our current trio that there were other „best friends“ of the Doctor before, and not with joyful fates, even if we don’t get into details about Donna. Jenny and the Doctor dealing with the Doctor’s change of gender would be the least of it (considering Jenny’s a female clone of a male Doctor, that shouldn’t throw her too much), but with Jenny now having been on her own for years and grown into her own adult personality, she could be a fascinating „what if?“ for the Doctor. Especially if Jenny still uses her soldier training. And vice versa.

The Space Arthurian Myth characters from the Seventh Doctor adventure Battlefield: either in the form of an actual follow up/prequel (i.e. the Doctor as Merlin, added bonus for Yaz, Graham and Ryan all assuming myth roles as well), or simply go for the basic concept which also uses River’s „I hate wizards in myths, they always turn out to him“ comment. And it doesn’t have to be a European myth transported to space – anyone up for the Doctor and friends running into sci fi versions of the Mahabaratha mythical characters?

The Third Doctor adventure Inferno presents basically Doctor Who’s version of the Mirroverse – fascist Britain, evil Brig, evil Liz Shaw, etc. Since then, there have been various „timeline gone wrong, resulting in fascism“ tales (more recently, Turn Left as one of the most successful ones), as well as stories presenting us with multiple versions of the regulars („The Wedding of River Song“, for example). However, no more straightforward Mirrorverse as such. Now, look at our current rl state of affairs. What I’d like the show to do is another Mirrorverse concept episode – but one where the Doctor and friends encounter a timeline where everything is much better, so they have to wonder whether they aren’t the Mirrorverse characters. (Bonus if the Doctor runs into a clean-shaven version of Delgado!Master, if an actor can be found who’s up for it, or conversely into Missy the embodiment of chaotic good, travelling with her faithful Companion, the deeply compassionate Lucy, saving the universe.) (Extrabonus if the Doctor in the end concludes that while she likes and respects that version of Missy, she can’t relate to her the way she could to „her“ versions of the Master.)

Bonus: So what was up with Orson Pink from Listen? Heavily hinted to be a descendant of both Danny and Clara, which the way canon developed turned out to be impossible. I’m not sure it needs an entire episode to provide an explanation, but something would be nice.


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Date: 2019-01-14 09:14 am (UTC)
ruuger: (Twelfth Doctor)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
The Doctor as an absent parent (even if the way Jenny came to be wasn’t intentional, and of course the Doctor did not know Jenny survived) should press some of Ryan’s and Graham’s buttons. Jenny asking about Donna and Martha would bring home to our current trio that there were other „best friends“ of the Doctor before, and not with joyful fates, even if we don’t get into details about Donna.

Oooh! I've never been as keen on Jenny coming back as other people seem to be, but this would be a very interesting scenario (that would also address a lot of the issues I've had with the Thirteenth Doctor).

Date: 2019-01-14 09:54 am (UTC)
flo_nelja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flo_nelja
I love all of them, but especially your good mirrorverse story!

Date: 2019-01-14 10:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] contrary_cal
So what was up with Orson Pink from Listen? Heavily hinted to be a descendant of both Danny and Clara, which the way canon developed turned out to be impossible. I’m not sure it needs an entire episode to provide an explanation, but something would be nice.

I seem to remember that the Word of God answer to that one was that Danny had a sibling or a cousin or suchlike that he didn't know about (as a result of having grown up in a children's home) and that Orson was their descendent.

Date: 2019-01-14 12:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesuswasbatman
I don't think Orson was ever planned to be dealt with, because I think he was just misdirection to make Danny's death at the end of the season more shocking. (There is the possibility that we see him because at the time Clara and the Doctor left 2014-ish Earth Danny was still alive, but that might conflict with other depictions of time travel in the show.)

Date: 2019-01-14 05:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
I LOVE THE JENNY & THIRTEEN IDEA. Also, the "what if we are the Mirrorverse" idea is neat.

Date: 2019-01-14 11:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
Jenny’s a female clone of a male Doctor
One that looks a lot like Thirteen, even!

Date: 2019-01-15 07:09 am (UTC)
elisi: (Clara)
From: [personal profile] elisi
The best answer to Orson Pink is that he was indeed a descendant of Clara and Danny - but then Missy killed Danny and cut off that time line, which is why Orson ended up at the end of the universe; it was a dead time line.

Date: 2019-01-15 03:55 pm (UTC)
elisi: (Missy)
From: [personal profile] elisi
Considering that Missy's whole scheme was predicated on the Doctor taking Clara 'to Hell' I'd say she absolutely had something to do with Danny's death.

Date: 2019-01-15 09:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] watervole
with you all the way on the Angels. Re-use really didn't work for them.

Date: 2019-01-15 01:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] grimorie
The Doctor as an absent parent (even if the way Jenny came to be wasn’t intentional, and of course the Doctor did not know Jenny survived) should press some of Ryan’s and Graham’s buttons.

I am really really into the idea of Thirteen running into Jenny, especially since Jenny would look like the Doctor as she is now! And I would also want Thirteen to be confronted with someone from her past since she seems to be studiously avoiding her past mentioning them and maybe it would finally stop Thirteen from keeping her 'best friends' at arms length!

Date: 2019-01-19 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redfiona99
>>or conversely into Missy the embodiment of chaotic good, travelling with her faithful Companion, the deeply compassionate Lucy, saving the universe.) <<

I would make a truly high-pitched squeaking noise. It would be ... interesting.

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