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I'm RL swamped, and quite exhausted, hence not mucih in the way of fannish existence. (Also, even while the impeachment came to its predictable ending, there in fact politicians in Germany competing with US Republicans in spinelessness and lack of ethics as well as common sense. I might make a separate entry on what happened in Thuringia and is still ongoing, if ever I find the time.) But the latest DW episode was great fun, and thus I briefly resurface to say so.

Not least because I actually was dissatisfied with Big Finish's take on Mary Shelley; this was one of the rare cases where I really prefer the tv version. And while the other times when a genre tv show tackles the Haunted Summer, I had the impression they were confusing watching Ken Russell's movie Gothic with research (looking at you, Highlander), this time the scriptwriter clearly had actually read up on what was happening on those rainy days in 1816. The original quotes worked in weren't just the poetry but from letters. (Mind you, I could quibble with some artistic liberties, beyond, err, the general premise of this being a Doctor Who episode with monsters, but I could see the point of them and they were minor. Including the one where Byron in rl had a deformed foot and thus would have been unable to dance. (There was a reason why he was majorly into swimming.) (As opposed to poor Shelley.)

( To wit: Claire wouldn't have to wonder about Byron's intentions, because they were crystal clear from the beginning, as in, he didn't have any beyond taking what she offered. He never pretended to love her, he never invited her, and he never tried to charm her; she'd been the pursuer throughout. Since everyone involved was avidly letter writing, this is pretty well documented. This being said, I get the impulse of wanting Claire to get to ditch a still at least sexually interested in her Byron instead of getting pregnant and having to live with the fact that the father of your child makes it very clear that he can't stand you anymore and might be willing to take responsibility for the kid but isn't even ready to talk to you other than through intermediaries. And then the child dies far away from Claire. She survived all the other participants of that summer, including Mary who had a very ambigous relationship with her - at times close, at other times hostile, with Mary writing "Clara Absentia" in her diary as her fondest wish in the early 1820s -; certainly getting disenchanted with Byron earlier than she did would have made for an easier life. Also it made for a good scene with Yaz.)

"Famous work of literature inspired by RL event" can get obnoxious if it's, say, Jane Austen meeting a RL Mr. Darcy. So what DW did re: Mary and Frankenstein was a delightful surprise for me. The scene between Mary and Ashad the Cyberman was just right, and wonderfully acted to boot. My second favourite scene uniting fantastic character work with creepiness was the Doctor's method of getting the Cyberium out of Shelley, not least because Shelley drowning (in the bay of La Spezia) is one of those factoids I do have in the back of my brain. And the episode was a continuity feast, too, what with the Doctor having very much Bill's fate in mind when wanting the fam far away from anything Cyber. (And within season continuity - the Doctor mentioning to Byron she's met his daughter Ada. Btw, the third canto of Childe Harold, the one the Doctor wasn't interested in, starts with a salutation to Ada.)

Graham as the only one seeing actual ghosts (possibly): You know, this better not be foreshadowing for his death. If it's not, it was the kind of whimsy aside that DW thrives on, and I am amused he enjoyed his ghost-served dinner regardless.

Extra points for: Mary not being presented as brooding and withdrawn from the get go but gleefully into the whole frightening each other business early on. She'll go through a great deal of trauma as the years go by, including all of her children dying except for one, but for now, she's 19 and anything could still happen.

The various quotes - from Frankenstein, from Shelley's and Byron's poetry - were all well placed and flowed with the narrative, and I do love that they ended with Darkness, which is one of the most unsettling things Byron wrote, and fitted with the Doctor and friends aware that she might just have condemned to the universe to this if she can't fix it. That she did go for the saving the individual now, saving the universe later was very her, of course, including the optimistic/hubristic conviction she can save it, and interesting that it was Ryan who got to present the counter argument, not, say, Yaz, who as a police officer at least in theory should have been preparing herself for scenarios where she has to choose prioritizing whether to save the many or the few.

Fletcher better not be actually dead, just knocked out. I always liked Fletcher, who started to work for Byron when Byron was 16, kept working for him till Byron died (at age 36, in Greece), through all the scandals, exile, war in Greece, and Byron's death by doctors more than by malaria - seriously, they kept bleeding him and that probably killed him, not the swamp fever) and got memorably played by Philip Glenister in the two parter about Byron starring Jonny Lee Miller.

Overall, easily my favourite episode of the season so far.

Date: 2020-02-18 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
The factoid I remember about Byron's death is that he had given strict instructions not to be bled, and once he lost consciousness they fell over themselves to bleed him anyway and then, when he died, they blamed him for not having them start bleeding him in time.

Date: 2020-02-18 05:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moon_custafer
I really liked the way Polidori’s sleepwalking through the wall was used first as a spooky thing in itself, then as a clue to the Doctor that the Villa’s twisting geometry was an illusion.

Date: 2020-02-18 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Aw, this sounds like they did right by my Romantic gang. I love them all, they were so nutty. I've fallen behind on this season of Thirteen, but I'll have to catch up!

Date: 2020-02-18 10:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] davetheanalyzer
Interesting background and it was nice that they kept to a lot of the details of what happened. I did like Claire's scene with Yaz about people they admire and what it revealed, and am okay if history had to be bent to get to it.

I did wonder if Fletcher was dead. He did get dropped onto the ground hard but I did wonder how serious that was, with the character/actor's age and all. I did like the allusion to Bill, since there are so few of the 12 era that I could recall. I also liked confrontation between Shelley and the Cyberman, and though I was wary of her speech to him actually working, I was surprised at the mention of Ashad killing children. I did wonder about Ryan taking the many-side in the many-vs.-few argument and wondered how in-character that was, with his hinted issues about abandonment and not wanting to be someone who abandons people. Though with Yaz, I can see her not going for the many-side of the argument, with how much apparent influence the Doctor has in her views (I don't know if she already had those views before the Doctor arrived, or the Doctor managed to sway her to them).

I do hope the ghosts don't foreshadow Graham's or anyone's death. I've said this before but if the companions are going to leave, I would prefer modern companions to have more amicable partings.

Also, psst, this is episode 8 ;). Episode 7 was "Can You Hear Me?"

Date: 2020-02-24 08:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kalypso
Despite his foot, Byron did play for Harrow v Eton at the old Lord's ground in 1805 (Eton won).

Date: 2020-02-24 05:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lurkinghistoric
Just caught up with this one. I really loved the emphasis on Mary's son William, who is almost the first person we see at this Villa Diodati. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a version of this story that included the baby? Mostly it's all about wild sexy romantics and their wild sexy storytelling, so paying attention to the childcare feels both new and grounding.

I enjoyed the Byron jokes, particularly his immediate assumption that any intruder must be after his next canto.

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