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[personal profile] cahn asked me: What Classics works (to be read in English translation) would you recommend to hook someone who doesn't know anything about it? (Aside from the Illiad/Odyssey/Aeneid -- but would also be open to interesting translations of those!) (And especially for someone who preferred the Aeneid to the Illiad and Odyssey?)

With the caveat that different things work for different people, and also my knowledge of good English translation is limited because I read most of those works in German (and/or had to translate them in school, like Cicero's speeches against Catilina and Sallust's work about the conspiracy), here are some recs I would go with. Note that they aren't literal translations but poetic ones, much like the Faust translation by Howart Brenton I recced to [personal profile] cahn where he had someone do the literal prose translation for him first so he could be sure about the literal meaning and then put it into verse. They're also by terrific poets, which means when you read these works in English, you get something of the visceral excitement and beauty of the originals, not a sense of dutiful bland dictionary (or worse, bowlderized) rendition.

1.) Ted Hughes: Tales from Ovid (i.e. a selection from Ovid's Metamorphoses). Praise, quotes and explanations why I think that's an awesome book to read here.

2.) Ted Hughes: Alkestis by Euripides. The last thing he ever published, shortly before his death, with a theme of personal relevance. Hughes and Euripides were as good a match as Hughes & Ovid. More praise and quotes here.

3.) Roz Kaveney: Catullus. Lots of well deserved praise and buying link here.

Now as I said elsewhere, I've been hearing good things about Emily Wilson's translation of the Odyssey, so it's definitely on my to read list, but I haven't gotten the chance to yet. And with Cicero's letters and speeches, Suetonius, Plutarch, Herodotus etc. I don't know any English translations, since, see above, I read them in German (or in Cicero's case translated some of the speeches in school and read the rest in German).

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Date: 2022-01-20 06:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
Langston Hughes? Not super modern maybe, but I am actually familiar with a fair number of his poems, probably more than other black poets. Probably also mostly from elementary school readers. (They tried!)

Date: 2022-01-22 02:23 am (UTC)
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Hey! Yes, I googled it and the poem I'm remembering was Langston Hughes. As modern as it got for poetry and us in high school. :P Good guess.

We did some poems in elementary school, some of which I can still recite, but only a few that I remember, all of which were printed out on handouts, and my impression was that they were ad hoc selections made on the basis of the teacher liking them. (A variant on "Ladles and Jellyspoons", for example.) I don't remember anything as formal as reading poetry in a reader (short stories and novellas, yes). Though I do remember carrying really thick hardcover readers that weighed almost as much as I did :P, so surely there was some poetry in there??
Edited Date: 2022-01-22 02:24 am (UTC)

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