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[personal profile] aurumcalendula asked me about those. With the caveat that I could list more and of course it also varies depending on the mood I am in, and with the qualification that I'm excluding straightforward from-stage-to-screen film versions of a single play (the phrasing is not accidental, you'll see why), here are some of my firm favourites:

1) West Side Story. It's probably a cliché but true: a masterpiece in its own right, but also as an adaptation of a) Romeo and Juliet, and b) a stage play into a musical. Now of course you can produce West Side Story itself in very different ways on stage and we now have two different film adaptations to compare and contrast. But just looking at the music, the script and the lyrics, it's so very, very well done. It's not just that the took a few basic ideas (i.e. lovers from feuding communities/families, tragic ending) and left it at that, but that nearly every scene, character and storybeat has its parallel. (And Arthur Laurents was justifiable proud of doing good old Shakespeare one better in coming up with a reason why the message about Julia/Maria's survival doesn't reach Romeo/Tony in time that is both connected to the overall themes and a character decision when in the original play it's just random bad luck (i.e. a plague outburst means Brother Laurence's messenger gets quaranteened). And the music, good lord, the music. What can be said that hasn't already been? Balcony Scene/Tonight: a perfect match in genius, and despite all the million ripoffs and parodies, feels as urgent and passionate as ever.

([personal profile] cahn, yes, I considered both Don Carlos and Macbeth and Othello from Verdi, but while I am fond of all of them, they're not my faves the same way West Side Story is.)

2) A Midsummer Night's Dream and The Tempest in Neil Gaiman's The Sandman (as well as the use of William Shakespeare as a character, still probably my favourite fictional version of Will S.). These two plays who are themselves very meta, containing plays-within-plays, the magic of stagecraft versus real magic and so forth, work terrifically juxtaposed with the Sandman themes. Plus I've said it before, I'll say it again: Neil Gaiman is the only author to pull off a use of Prospero's final monologue, traditionally regarded as Shakespeare's personal goodbye, use it as his own farewell to his opus magnum and make that feel not pretentious but entirely apropriate.

3) Black Ships by Jo Graham (as an adaptation of The Aenaeid). Here there is tough competition in the form of Ursula Le Guin's novel Lavinia, but I still love Black Ships best. The novel takes the Sibyl who guides Aeneas to the Underworld in Virgil's epic and makes her the main character, one of the Trojan refugees, originally called Gull but bearing other names and identities throughout the story. Any adaptation of a Greek Trojan War related myth has to decide whether or not to use the Gods, i.e. do they exist or do the characters simply believe they do (not the same thing, especially since in the Iliad, the Odyssey and the Aeneid, there are direct divine interventions galore). They do exist in this version, but not in their best known GraecoRoman forms, which hail from different eras, as the novel offers a plausibly feeling historical context for its characters to live in. (Thus for example Wilusa/Troy has been destroyed repeatedly, once in the sacking that followed the largest Greek vs Trojans war, which resulted in the capture of Gull's mother along with many other Trojan women, and a few years later in the sacking that leads to Aeneas & Co. starting their quest.) At a guess, the trickiest challenge must have been figuring out how to present the Dido story, and not jiust because Carthage was founded centuries after the most probable date for the Trojan War, but the choice Jo Graham made - swapping Carthage for Egypt - really works not just for this novel but in the overall context of her other books because of the significance Egypt has in them.

4) The first season of Jessica Jones as an adaptation of Brian Bendis' Alias comics. It used the best known storyline of the comics - the Kilgrave arc - and managed both to keep what made it effective and disturbing and put a slightly different, unique spin on it. The casting is superb throughout, both for the characters based on their comics equivalent and for characters unique to the show (like Malcolm) or taken from different comics (like Jerry, or Trish and her mother - Jessica's estranged blonde bff in the Alias comics when we meet her is Carol Danvers, who could not have been used for obvious reasons). The use of colour - purple, most obviously, but also others - and the general, in lack of a better term for a tv series, cinematography, is superb while serving the story, and given this is an adaptation of graphic novels, this is not unimportant as an adaptation quality. Just taken as its own thing - i.e. just this season, not regarding the second and third one, or The Defenders - it is probably my choice for favourite comics-to-tv-format adaption, if we're talking about specific comics storylines, not adaptations of characters (because Lois & Clark the tv show is still my favourite version of Clark Kent/Superman and Lois Lane, but Lois & Clark had decades of Superman lore in multi authored interpretations to base this on, whereas Jessica Jones adapted graphic novels written by one single author who invented the character and the story they were adapting.

5.) Speaking of novel-to-tv-screen: always and forever, I, Claudius (the tv series), based on I, Claudius and Claudius the God by Robert Graves. Not only does it have some of the best actors available in 1970s Great Britain, but the usual small tv budget - no mass scenes possible, no special effects, such as there were - even works to the series' advantage. You don't need to be shown gladiator games to understand how the various characters respond to them. Whatever Caligula did exactly to his sister and lover Drusilla is not shown, but it's still one of the most terrifying scenes on tv when Claudius knockes and Caligula opens that door, precisely because it's left to your imagination based solely on John Hurt's and Derek Jacobi's performances. The script is immensely quotable, and while some of that is in the original novel, it manages to improve on it by giving us relationships Graves only hinted at (the friendship between Claudius and Herod Agrippa, say) or didn't bother with (the friendship between Julia the Elder and Claudius' mother Antonia). Even the old age make-up (especially for Jacobi and Sian Philips as Livia) is better than much of what I saw in decades to come.

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Date: 2024-01-06 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ffutures
Agree 100% on Jessica Jones and I, Claudius, both amazingly good adaptations of the comic / book.

For some reason I don't quite have the same feeling for the Sandman stories - they're good, but Gaiman's work throughout the series was so good that they didn't especially stand out for me. Incidentally, have you seen the 2016 BBC adaptation of Midsummer Night's Dream, directed by Russel T. Davies? It's a lot of fun.

West Side Story - saw it when I was maybe too young, 9 or 10, in the early 1960s in a double bill with Carmen Jones, don't think I've seen it since. I do seem to remember a lot about it - some of the tunes especially - so it definitely made an impression on me. I remember a lot more about it than the later 1996 Baz Luhrmann version of Romeo and Juliet, which I think is the most recent I've seen, but that really isn't surprising.

Don't know Black Ships at all, I'll have a look if a copy comes my way.

Date: 2024-01-06 06:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redfiona99
Yes, the thing I swore I saw but couldn't possible given, you know, watchdogs in I, Claudius remains effective.

Date: 2024-01-06 08:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] machiavellijr
I think the improvement in I Clavdivs really shows up when they get to 'Claudius the God' which is a much weaker novel. The adaptation rushes it a bit but is still considerably better. You're right about the makeup - it's most obvious if you see a photo of Sian Philips in the 00s and she really does look quite like she did as Old Livia. You are also, obviously, right that it is among the best adaptations ever, as well as the yardstick by which all other Roman drama series will be judged for the foreseeable future.

I liked but did not adore Black Ships, and will defer on West Side Story to someone who doesn't intensely dislike the original play!

Date: 2024-01-07 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] machiavellijr
Yes I agree that Claudius' character as Emperor doesn't really make sense when you think about it. My alternative theory is that Claudius, who Suetonius does say was known to drink a lot, was so horrified to get the Empire dropped on his head he was basically plastered through the whole of Messalina's reign. By the time he sobered up, he realised it was too late to do any good and that except for the bit about disloyalty to him, the women and freedmen were actually doing quite a decent job running the Empire so he should let them get on with it.
Edited Date: 2024-01-07 06:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2024-01-08 02:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] machiavellijr
Agrippina definitely needs a really good fictional treatment!

I have always been curious about the stage adaptation of I Claudius by John Mortimer in the early '70s. It was famously a total flop, but I get the impression that may have had more to do with dubious direction than with the inherent quality of the script. Based on the reviews, it was basically adult Claudius, from about the death of Augustus to the start of Agrippina.

Date: 2024-01-07 12:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scintilla10
I really enjoyed reading your adaptation thoughts, especially about adapting different mediums!

Date: 2024-01-07 02:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rose_griffes
JJ season one was fantastic, but so grim that I don't know if I would rewatch it.

I might choose Amadeus the movie for a top-notch adaptation. Though I've never seen a stage version of it, which... hm. Is that a requirement? (Hee)

Date: 2024-01-09 04:38 am (UTC)
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Whereas Tom Hulce's version is someone you can empathize with and care for, which I think is important for the story to work -

Oh, yes, for sure. Hulce is amazing in this movie, which I didn't really understand until seeing the play version either. He's both obnoxious sometimes -- you can see why he gets on Salieri's every last nerve -- and at the same time he's got this very sweet innocence about him. And in addition it's clear that he cares very much about music and works hard at it!

Date: 2024-01-09 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
Amadeus!! Yes!!

I did see the same stage version [personal profile] selenak did, and I loved it, but the movie is amazing, especially what it does with music. (And that climactic scene with the Requiem! I'm in awe, you couldn't do that in any other medium but movie.)

Date: 2024-01-09 04:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
Ohhhh West Side Story! I wouldn't have thought of that, but what a great answer :D

I think one of my favorite book-to-musical adaptations is The Secret Garden, which is a much more straightforward adaptation, but it's not completely straightforward. And then of course I grew up at just the right time for Les Misérables to be the most significant musical adaptation for my adolescent psyche, even if as an adult I don't consider it a particularly good one, musically speaking :)

I have not read either Lavinia or Black Ships. The latter is because I didn't know about it; the former I've meant to do since I read the Aeneid, and just haven't yet.

Date: 2024-01-12 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
That is true! And it is very earwormy and fun to belt very loudly :D

I should watch Rigoletto again -- it's so depressing that I only managed to make it through once. (Though it was really good.)

Date: 2024-01-10 06:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] labingi
Wow, we must have really similar taste because I agree with you about all these works except for the one I hadn't heard of, Black Ships, which sounds interesting.

My partner and I are currently watching I, Claudius, as it happens. It's his first time seeing it and my first time in about 20 years, so it's fascinating to see how it plays today: still very well. And Game of Thrones owes a lot to it.

Date: 2024-01-16 12:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
I really enjoyed reading this! (I've only seen one of these adaptations - I should check out the rest)

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