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[livejournal.com profile] thalia_seawood last week reached Restless in her BTVS watching, and wrote some insightful reviews about it, which reminded me once more why this is my favourite BTVS episode, so I rewatched it, and am all aglow anew with the Restless love, and the BTVS love. [livejournal.com profile] merrymaia, who is also watching BTVS for the first time and is in early season 2, recently asked me which I prefer, BTVS or AtS, and I honestly can't say. I love both. I love them for their shared and for their differing qualities. One of the unique-to-BTVS things, imo, and a reason why I actually like the later Buffy seasons better than the early ones is that Joss really experimented with TV as a medium there in a way AtS or Firefly did not. (This is not meant as a criticism of either show - as I said, I love them dearly, and they have each unique stuff BTVS does not have.) My current theory why this is so is that BTVS was the show he got most comfortable with. Not his favourite (I think that would be Firefly). Not the one where he pushed the characters most. (AtS.) But the one he could relax and be playful with most, "playful" not meaning fluffyness but more of a Brother Grimm kind of playfulness - this is Joss, after all - and as a result we got the experimental episodes: Hush, Restless, The Body, Once More, With Feeling. I don't think they would have been possible over at AtS.

Each of these episodes manages to unite both the "concept" aspect (i.e. silence, dreams, immediate post-death reaction, musical) with continuity. You couldn't take them out of their place in the show and put them in an earlier or later season. Hush and Once More, With Feeling change relationships. The Body of course is about the most brutal change of all. Restless stands a bit apart in this regard; it is a coda to the fourth season and in fact the four seasons of BTVS so far, and foreshadows some later events, but by itself, it does not change the characters or their relationships. (Except, perhaps, by awakening Buffy's interest in the Slayer origin.) It's more of a summing up, and an affectionate yet acerbic analysis of the four main characters of the show through that most indefiniable medium of all, dreams.

Now, other shows have done shows that take place inside of characters' heads and feature some imaginative visualization of dreamscapes. The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari (Babylon 5, season 5) comes to mind, and I recall a Professionals episode where that was done for Doyle. Other shows have had impressive dream sequences (most recently the new BSG). Twin Peaks set a high standard for any dream sequences in the 80s. But I can't think of a show that did dreams so perfectly, that made you feel, yes, this is exactly what a dream is like.

As [livejournal.com profile] kathyh said recently, the cinematography of Restless is actually better - in the sense of feeling more cinematic in parts - than the one of Serenity (which is a great film but still feels like tv transported to the big screen). Images like Buffy in the desert, or the playground sequence in Xander's dream have a lyrical beauty that stun me each time. The gorgeous music by Chris Beck aids and abets, of course, but that is part of the medium - the union of image and sound. Speaking of sound: given that razorsharp dialogue is Joss' trademark, it's all the more remarkable that he didn't ruin the atmosphere by letting the characters exchange said dialogue - you don't do that in dreams. (When Buffy gets back to using her usual sassy comebacks, she inevitably wakes up.) Instead, we get surreal dialogue and outbursts that nonetheless achieves a strange poetry and comes back to me again and again.

"I walk, I talk, I shop, I sneeze. I'm going to be a fireman if the flood rolls back."

"What was your name?" "Before Adam? Not a man among us can remember."

"It is the fable of the fox, and the less patient fox."

"You're a whipping boy raised by mongrels and set on a sacrifical stone."

"A watcher scoffs at gravity."

"Be back before Dawn."

and of course, the immortal

"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

The four dreams have been interpreted by many fans, and I wrote my own take years ago when I was still on an BTVS email list; but it's fun to revisit and look how my interpretations have changed or remained the same, now that the series is finished.

"I am very seldom naughty." Willow's self-loathing and insecurities are quite obvious here. They rank from the trivial - being unprepared in class would be a Willow nightmare - to the very serious: Willow fears to be "found out" throughout the dream, and when Buffy ripes her season 4 self away to reveal Willow from "Welcome to the Hellmouth", the season 1 pilot, complete with the "softer side of Sears" outfit, and that old self is mocked and ridiculed by all her friends, that scene from Wrecked comes to mind where she tells Buffy that she needs to be Superwillow, as nobody could love normal Willow. Less evident but there is Willow's passive-aggressiveness - she doesn't want to deal and confront, she avoids and hides throughout the dream, and the versions of her friends get increasingly unsympathetic. Xander displays a Jayne-like oafishness ("when I think of two women doing a spell, I go and do a spell of my own"), which is far out of proportion of Xander's actual reaction to Willow and Tara. Buffy is first a flapper from 20s Chicago and then, while she does save Willow at first, the one who humiliates and betrays Willow into revealing her old self. Tara and Oz flirt with each other in front of Willow. (Willow has this way of projecting her own feelings of guilt on others; see her actual reaction to Tara leaving her, the rant to Rat!Amy about Tara leaving "for no reason at all", as opposed to the mind violation Willow committed.)

The book Willow is trying to talk about in class is, wait for it, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. At the time, I remember people saw the title as a pun on Willow (the witch) coming out of the closet that past season through her lesbian relationship with Tara, and the lion as either Miss Kitty Fantastico, depicted in the dream, or the First Slayer who is stalking the Scoobies in this episode. My own take was and is that the Lewis novel is referenced because of its central cruxificion equivalent. Aslan dies in Edmund's place and for the people of Narnia, and returns. "This is my business," says Giles in his own dream about his relationship with Buffy, "blood of the lamb and all that". Buffy, of course, will take someone else's place and fulfill the classic Slayer's mission in dying for the people exactly a year later. And Willow, the witch, will bring her back, in pretty much the anti- Christian or Aslan resurrection due to its effects on Buffy.

Lastly, the way Willow's dream depicts feminine sexuality stands in contrast to the way Xander's does. Willow painting Sappho's Hymn to Aphrodite on Tara's nude back is a sensual image in a subtle and elegant way; compare this to Xander's fanboy depiction of Willow and Tara as porn lesbians dressed up in tiltallating clothes for his benefit. At the same time, all those red curtains and the fact Willow is interacting with Tara only when they're alone can be seen to indicate Willow still isn't comfortable with her relationship with Tara, but that's open to debate; my own take (based on Willow imagining Tara and Oz, her two loves, flirting with each other) would be that she's more afraid Tara would not love her if there were alternatives, and the safety she felt with Tara admiring only her and not knowing her friends.

Talk about insecurities, though. Everyone in Xander's dream tells him they're ahead of him, and he keeps ending up in the basement, the basement of his parents' home which he won't leave until episode 3 of season 5 and which symbolizes his sense of failure and fear he'll be trapped in repeating his father's life. "Are you sure it isn't comfort?'" Joyce asks when he says men want conquest, and of course he wants comfort, but is unable to get it. The entire Joyce encounter is amusing in its Mrs. Robinson-ness and allusion to the pilot - Xander makes a Freudian mistake when he says "I'd like you" instead of "I'd like to" to Joyce, just as the first thing he tells Buffy is "Can I have you?" instead of "Can I help you?" - but also, with Xander's repeated appellation of Joyce as "Buffy's Mom" throughout his dream and later when he wakes up a sign that what he wants is actually a mother as much as a lover. (Can't help but think of Anya's "grow up, Xander" in season 6.)

He wants a father, too - not his own, I mean - but has given up on Giles being that father. When Xander comes across the playground, he finds the triad he first encountered in Welcome to the Hellmouth - Slayer, Watcher, Vampire - but they're presented in a childlike manner, and Xander, who alone among the Scoobies at this point has a job and is watching the scene from another perspective, from his other self working a bit away as well - has to leave them behind. "Spike is like a son to me," Dream!Giles says cheerfully, and Xander replies, sounding wistful and lonely "I was into that for a while, but you've got to move forward".

(On another level, Spike in tweed clothes is pretty funny, and of course this is what probably inspired Rebbecca Rand Kirshner's use of him and Giles in Tabula Rasa in season 6.)

Most poignant, though, to me about this playground encounter is Xander's exchange with Buffy. He tells her he cannot protect her. (Of course, Buffy in most cases was the one to protect Xander physically, but he, see their first encounter in season 4, gave her emotional protection through his loyalty and belief in her.) "I'm way ahead of you, big brother," Buffy replies. "Brother?" Xander repeats, they look at each other, and the moment holds. Giles and Spike on the swings, Buffy in the sand, half in the desert, half in the playground, and Xander looking at her while also looking at Buffy and himself from another perspective. We're not hit over the head with one particular interpretation. My own? This is where even Xander's subconscious accepts that this is how Buffy sees him - as her brother. And that this is not a bad thing to be.

The entire Apocalpyse Now sequence in Xander's dream is both very funny - especially if you've seen Coppola's movie - and painful. I bet Armin Shimmerman had a blast, playing Snyder playing Marlon Brando as Kurtz. (And Joss even manages to light the scene exactly in the same way and achieve that trademark of Coppola's, leaving faces half in darkness or coming out of the shadows.) At its heart, though, this is scene has yet another male authority figure telling Xander he's nothing, he never will be, and is set just before he encounters the first and primal male authority to utter this judgment, his father, who transforms into the First Slayer before ripping his heart out.

"Are you ashamed of us?" he demands, and we already know - since season 3's Amends, to be precise - that yes, he is. Xander will leave his father's basement soon, but he won't really leave his father behind for a good long while, see Hell's Bell's. And this will rip his heart out.

The visual pun of the watch (= watcher) opens and closes Giles' dream sequence, which is the shortest of the four but nonetheless carries a lot. Giles trying to hypnotize Buffy with the watch points back to Helpless in season 3, but the memory of his betrayal there is transformed by the gentle way she laughs it away and does not give in. Next Buffy shows up as a child. (And this, btw, is a major reason why B/G as romantic pairing squicks me. No, they're not related, but she does see him as her father, and if he's not lying in his own head, he sees her as a child.) I already mentioned the significance of the "blood of the lamb" remark, which Giles declares to be his business when Olivia chides him for not going easy on Buffy. As Giles will tell the Buffybot after Buffy's death, his business, any Watcher's business, is eventually to lead his Slayer to her sacrificial death. And the closer he gets to her, the harder it will be.

Of course, Giles could have another life. The crypt sequence, with Olivia and the abandoned pram on the one hand and Spike (in black and white) on the other isn't, imo, so much about Olivia herself as what she symbolizes - Giles' presumed last chance at a non-supernatural life, perhaps. One with his own family, not an adopted one. He already knows he can't have it, but he's aware of having given it up. (Spike hiring himself "out as an attraction" perfectly conveys Giles' opinion of Spike's theatrical nature, of course.*g*)

As the mind of the Scoobies, Giles is the first one who comes up with an explanation of what is happening to them, and it comes to him in song. (I guess this might have been where it occured to Joss he could try his hands at a musical.) It's a sublime sequence, funny and creepy at the same time - Willow and Xander holding up lighters swaying in rhythm to Giles' song crack me up each time, and then even as I smile he follows the cable, and the First Slayer taking his scalp chills me each time, too. Composer Chris Beck has a cameo, and I think the band is Nerf Herder, right? In overall context of the show, Giles coming up with an explanation but not a solution pretty much defines his role.

In the course of season 4, Buffy drifted increasingly apart from her friends. "You lost them," Tara declares, presumably not just referring to what is going on in this episode. "No," says Buffy and shows why I love her, "I need to find them." That's my girl. The thing about Buffy is that in most cases - not always - she twists rules and laws and absolute negatives into something she can do.

Her dream harks back to the dreams she shared with Faith, the bed they made ("for whom?" asks Tara; in This Year's Girl, the answer was already given - "little sis, who is coming"), that number, 7-3-0. (730 days, I think, between Graduation Day when Buffy first hears it, to The Gift.) They're about not-contact - Joyce is behind a wall, and when Joyce suggests Buffy could tear it down, Buffy gets distracted by the sight of Xander, but she can't reach him or her other friends, either. Instead, she finds Riley and Adam, both acting as mirror images of each other. The Riley sequence reveals an unease about Riley and her relationship with him that Buffy, awake, would never admit to herself. He calls her "killer", twice. In season 5, she'll suggest to him that if she could divide herself, he could have a Buffy free of all the Slayer business, and doesn' t quite believe him when he reassures her he wants the complete Buffy, the Slayer as well as the girl. He's still a part of an organization alien to her and comfortable with it, plotting world domination. "The key instrument? Coffee makers that think," says Riley, and you can interpret that as a derogatory comment about women. Bear in mind that this isn't saying the real Riley is a macho. But it's fascinating that his dream image is, at what is arguably the high point of his and Buffy's relationship, when they're at their most committed to each other.

What stands out to me about this part of Buffy's dream, though, is her short dialogue with Adam - Adam sans makeup, and hence nearly unrecognizable.

Adam: Agression is a natural human tendency. Though you and I come by it another way.
The First Slayer appears behind Buffy.
Buffy: We're not demons.
Adam: Is that a fact?

Now flash forward to Get it Done in season 7. In her way, the First Slayer is what Adam is - a hybrid, artificially created, human endowed with demon powers to fight other demons, with no one having asked said hybrid whether he/she wanted to be. But, and Joss is always big on the concept, there is such a thing as choice, and will. Buffy uses her Slayer powers. She doesn't have to be used by them. In the end, it doesn't matter who created you, or why. The responsibility of how you use your powers is still yours.

When she finally talks to the First Slayer, the surreal poetry of the episode reaches its apex, both visually - the desert, and I love that the show will return to this as Buffy's inner landscape time and again, oh, and prefiguring the shots of River in Objects in Space and Serenity, we get quite a long focus on Buffy's feet, wandering through it, before the camera pulls up - and in dialoge. I already quoted Buffy's "I'll be a fireman when the flood rolls back" sentence. "We no longer sleep on a bed of bones," she tells the First Slayer. And changes the landscape from the First Slayer's - the desert - to her own - the living room, along with the speech patterns. What makes Buffy Buffy is her humanity as much as her powers, and her sarcastic quips are as much a part of herself as that darkness Dracula will remark on an episode later. She wakes up, for now. But, as Tara tells her, she has barely begun.

Date: 2005-12-11 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, Gosh... this made me miss Buffy all over again. But I love your shiny brain too, now I'm longing to watch Restless all over again and it's completely your fault! ;)

Date: 2005-12-11 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grimorie.livejournal.com
*headdesk* that's me up there, stupid browser.

Date: 2005-12-11 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*in reference to your icon*

"And on land!" (Xander, re: sharks in Restless.) I feel not guilty at all for making people rewatch shiny episodes.*g*

Date: 2005-12-11 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
just a drive-by before I go tend to company, but I read the intro and I'm bookmarking your analyses to read later -- thanks for the Sunday morning boost of fandom love.

Date: 2005-12-11 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

Date: 2005-12-11 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmesandy.livejournal.com
My favorite line in Restless was always Adam's "not a man among us can remember" - after Angel s4, that always made me think of Darla (and Jasmine) and how Darla's name before is forgotten, along with Adam that was.

Date: 2005-12-11 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
The importance of names, yes, that has a strong echo. Of course, the First Slayer doesn't have one, either, or if she had it has been forgotten.

Date: 2005-12-11 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thalia-seawood.livejournal.com
The importance of names and naming things is mentioned at least two times during Restless. In the first dream - Willow and Tara talking - and in the last dream. Here I think Riley brings it up.

This seems also to tie in with vampires selecting a new name to remake themselves. I'm also wondering if Dawn comes into being by being given a name.

Date: 2005-12-12 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I'm also wondering if Dawn comes into being by being given a name.

Let's say something existed for a very long time, but it wasn't Dawn, and naming might have had something to do with it. You'll get the explanation about Dawn's origins, and why everyone assumes she has always existed (a la Super!Jonathan) a few episodes into season 5, though.

First Slayer's Name

Date: 2005-12-15 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shakatany.livejournal.com
Maybe I misunderstood but I've always thought that the First Slayer was named Sineya because of what Willow chanted in "Primeval" ep 4.21: We enjoin that we may inhabit the vessel--the hand...daughter
of Sineya...first of the ones...


Shakatany


Date: 2005-12-11 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kakodaimon.livejournal.com
Good lord. I can only imagine what it's like to read your grad word; my head's exploding just from that.

Date: 2005-12-11 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
My grad work deals with Lion Feuchtwanger, and so far everyone has survived reading it.*g*

Date: 2005-12-11 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luminosity
This was just beautiful, saying so much of what I've felt about the episode and have been unable to articulate. I used Restless and Get It Done as the opening salvos in Scooby Road because the Meta, which is practically anvil-like in its heaviness, is also so beautifully realized.

Early on, I compared Buffy's desert to Jesus's 40 days--that its barren desolation was where she found her strength, but it would also be where she discovered (and ultimately understood) the knowledge that she already had within her, which allowed her to break the chains that the Elders had placed upon her. When I watched Get It Done for the first time, I knew that Buffy was going to redefine what a Slayer was because I saw her break the chains. Also, the meta! Oh the meta! "We know who you are, and we know why you're here." That was a message to *us*, not to Buffy. Now, I'm all in love again.

I'd love to link to this on Mutant_Allies. May I?

Date: 2005-12-11 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
This reminds me that the only reason I haven't ordered Scooby Road is the regional problem - i.e. I'm a Region 2 DVD person.

Yes, the meta is fantastic. And of course you may!

Date: 2005-12-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luminosity
The DVD is region-free; however, I plan to upload an ISO file and a complete album DIVX, probably before Christmas. :) Watch this space!

Thank you!

Date: 2005-12-11 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
This, of course, is music to my ears. *dances the dance of joy*

Date: 2005-12-11 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fernwithy.livejournal.com
Linked over from [livejournal.com profile] mutant_allies--really excellent essay. I love "Restless" to distraction, and I think it is because it's such a sharp portrayal of the poetry of dreams, and the way the characters see themselves and one another.

Interesting take on Willow and the Narnia connection, and I'd never thought to connect it with Giles's "blood of the lamb and all that" before. And good observation of Xander looking at the others as childlike.

B/G much later in life doesn't squick me (he'd be among her younger lovers, actually), but yes, at that point, his dream makes absolutely clear how he sees her.

Date: 2005-12-11 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thanks for the feedback!

B/G: it's not so much the age factor (because, yes), it's the psychology. Buffy when asking him to give her away in Something Blue might be under a spell as far as Spike is concerned but not in her feelings for Giles. In season 3, she equates him for her father as well (asking him to take her to the ice revue). As late as season 6, she tells him having him back is like having her mother back, and the "Lies my parents told me" title of the season 7 episode clearly references Giles as well as Anne and Nikki. So on the show, I get the impression Buffy consistently sees Giles as her father, and I have no indication Giles sees her as anything but a daughter. Hence, squick. But I realize it's a subjective thing.

Date: 2005-12-11 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fernwithy.livejournal.com
I totally agree that at no point during the series run could it have worked psychologically. Ick and shudder on that. But it's occurred to me that as she grows older and they've lived apart for awhile, that it could be a very comfortable sort of midlife ship. Not a deeply passionate one, probably, but a comforting one.

Date: 2005-12-11 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eccentrici.livejournal.com
Lovely, lovely meta.

BTW, the band in the Bronze is Four Star Mary, the real band behind Dingoes Ate My Baby.

Date: 2005-12-12 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you, and so noted for future reference.*g*

Date: 2005-12-11 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nikitangel.livejournal.com
Really interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing.

Date: 2005-12-12 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

Date: 2005-12-11 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thalia-seawood.livejournal.com
Brilliant meta! It's very nice to read your thoughts on this episode.

You're right: The four dreams also bring up the fears of the dreamer. Willow who feels so insecure of her self-image and friends. Xander who thinks he's not good enough. Giles' has to cope with the fact that he may never build his own family, but he is at least secure in his ability to find knowledge. Buffy also seems to lose her connections to her friends during her dream, but stubborn as she is she sets out to find them anyway. :-)

Riley in Buffy's dream: Buffy is apparently still very insecure if he really accepts her the way she is. We've seen her fretting about being stronger than him in the past and she never quite believed him when Riley said he doesn't mind.

I think I will watch this episode again after season 5 and then again after season 6. I'm pretty sure I'll always discover something new.

Date: 2005-12-12 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parallactic.livejournal.com
I got here via [livejournal.com profile] mutant_allies, and just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your post. It was insightful, and made me want to rewatch the episode.

Date: 2005-12-12 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you for the feedback!

Date: 2005-12-12 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com
Fascinating examination of one of my favourite episodes, one that I've always thought one of the best of the series. I love the way the dreams relate to each of the Scoobies' true centres, and brings out their fears and weaknesses. Thanks for a wonderful revisit to this. Now I want to go see it again!
man, I do love this show..all 7 seasons of it.

Date: 2005-12-12 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Same here. So much with the BTVS love right now.

Date: 2005-12-12 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
One thing about Restless that always intrigues me is what seem to be the number of images that suggest Xander's impending death:

In Willow's dream, on the obvious level, Xander is seen on stage apparently playing a corpse. On a metaphorical level, one wonders why the play is titled "Death of a Salesman" when it bears no apparent connection to the Arthur Miller play. Looking back over Season 4, almost all of Xander's abortive jobs involved retail in one form or another (bar work, energy bars, ice cream man). Was the dead salesman intended to be Xander?

In Xander's own dream, there is Principal Kurtz's "sacrificial stone" speech, and Xander's dad announcing "The line ends here". Moreover, Xander is confronted with a second version of himself. In Germanic legend, to see an apparition of oneself, or doppelganger, is regarded as a death omen.

In Giles's dream, Xander is the only Scooby seen visibly wounded.

In Buffy's dream, she sees Xander walking away from her to a higher level, and is unable to catch up to him (the only time a core Scooby appears in her dream).

I wonder if this was accidental, misdirection, or something that Joss and Co. changed their minds about.

Date: 2005-12-12 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Hm, I've heard the theory that Xander was meant to die, for example that he was meant to be Glory's host and would have died accordingly in The Gift, but my problem with this is the following reasoning:

1) When he wrote Restless, Joss could not have known that he would get more than five seasons. He might have hoped for more, but there were only five guaranteed by the WB. So the end of season 5 had to serve as a possible end of the show. Now, Buffy's death ending The Gift was one of the few things I'm absolutely certain was planned ahead, and also signalled in Restless. Which leads me to...

2.) If you kill off your lead as the great emotional climax, you do not kill off another very popular core character in the same episode. It takes attention from her fate.

3.) And killing off Xander in, say, mid-season 5 would have been overkill, as there was the death of Joyce.

4.) So just when would there have been room to kill off Xander within the space Joss at the time of Restless knew he would have?

Of course, you could position that Xander's death was vaguely planned in case BTVS would get the additional two seasons, to happen in either 6 or 7, and that Joss & Co. then changed their mind and Xander escaped, literary, with a black eye.

Date: 2005-12-12 09:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Honestly, I still think that the end of s6 would have been better if Xander had died instead of Tara. Hell it might even have increased Xander's role if they brought him back as the primary face to the First Evil in s7.

Of course the fact that I liked Tara much more than Willow might have something to do with that*g*

Date: 2005-12-13 11:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Hmmm... I read somewhere that "plan A" for season 5 was killing off practically everybody. Glory kills Tara. Willow goes bad, kills Glory who returns into her human host body. Buffy has to kill Willow who develops an apocalypsitis. Spike tries to save Dawn, falls from the tower on a wooden chard and dusts. Giles kills Xander who is Glory's host. Buffy dies to save the world. Not sure about Dawn's fate, but Giles was the only character to survive (because of spinoff negociations).

The question is when writers switched from "plan A" to "plan B". It's obvious that by Listening to Fear they're still developing plan A: Ben acts as Glory's minion, not as her host.

Date: 2005-12-14 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
I've heard that the thing with everyone that Giles dying was a discussion board challenge that someone misread as an actual plan by ME. On the other hand, there have been well-attested reports that S5 was originally planned to end with Glory killing Tara, a grief-crazed Willow killing Glory and trying to use Dawn to destroy the universe, and Buffy sacrificing her life as actually happened. Similarly the Xander-as-Glory's-host plan comes from some often-well-informed sources, but I don't know if it was at the same time as the Willow plan was held.

Date: 2005-12-12 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffyannotater.livejournal.com
That was wonderful! Just wanted to say that. :)

Date: 2005-12-12 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you.

Date: 2005-12-12 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
I sadly have no time to express just how wonderful this was, so instead I'll put it in my memories and rec it in my LJ! :)

Date: 2005-12-12 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2005-12-13 04:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
And Willow, the witch, will bring her back, in pretty much the anti- Christian or Aslan resurrection due to its effects on Buffy.

Not having read it I never picked up on that -- interesting!

"The key instrument? Coffee makers that think," says Riley, and you can interpret that as a derogatory comment about women

Huh, that never occured to me either. But yes, I always thought her view of Riley there at that point was rather interesting, especially compared to the somewhat compassionate view of Adam.




Date: 2005-12-13 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smashsc.livejournal.com
This is wonderful, I havne't really thought about Buffy in a while and I do miss it.

Particularly your thoughts on Xander are interesting because you pulled together some things I never had before.

This is where even Xander's subconscious accepts that this is how Buffy sees him - as her brother.

Lovely. That just works so very well.

Date: 2005-12-13 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I blame TM, again. And several people on my list starting with the show(s). It brings me back to the Jossverse with a vengeance.

Xander and Buffy's Mom

Date: 2005-12-14 02:11 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Very good, very insightful. I'd argue that the "Buffy's Mom" lines by Xander are him reminding himself who she is; he doesn't want to be hitting on his best friend's mother -- another ick factor.

Eadwacer

Date: 2005-12-15 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahlynnl.livejournal.com
I loved the essay.

Date: 2005-12-15 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Thank you!

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