One must remember this....
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selenakI blame you, various people on my flist, for making various fun posts about kisses and slashy moments in movies and on tv. You know who you are. How could I not join in? However, just to make things difficult for myself, there shall be no kissing listed. Instead, I'll go for moments managing to convey hot/tender/teasing/category of choice emotions sans liplock. For both het and slash couples. (Romantic and/or sexual couples (or couples with subtext), because if I start to list friendship sans subtext or family love moments, I'll never stop.)
"I want you, I want you so bad":
- Scorpius on top of John in Wolf in Sheep's Clothing II (third season of Farscape) tying with John drinking Scorpius' blood in Prayer (fourth season); naturally, both situations were Scorpius' idea, but John, post-modern geek that he is, isn't oblivious to the implications (see also: each and every comment he makes in that type of situation)
- Buffy and Faith dancing, in Bad Girls, Buffy the Vampire Slayer; popular choice, but it never gets old. Arguably the hottest f/f moment on BTVS, despite Willow being the one who gets the on-screen smoochings with other girls. Long before Spike gave Buffy his speech behind the Bronze and long before Stephen Moffat penned The Doctor Dances, here was dancing used as a clear metaphor, and boy, it worked.
- Basically every encounter between Jack Bristow and Irina Derevko in season 2 of Alias before that UST gets RST, but if I have to pick one, that moment in Passage part I, when Irina, err, changes costumes.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
andrastewhite once summed up the subtext of her and Jack's interaction during that scene like this: Jack: You are an evil woman who broke my heart and is going to steal my daughter.
Irina: Yes, but you still want me, right?
Jack: How pathetic do you think I am?
Irina: *removes clothes*
Jack: ....
Irina: What I thought.
- The Orgasmic Feeding Scene (tm) from Graduation Day II, BTVS: my own pick for sexiest scene between Buffy and Angel. (I'm absolutely 'shipping neutral and enjoy Buffy with Angel, Spike, yes, Riley, too, and as mentioned above, Faith.) The only reason why I'm hesitating to put it here is that it's actually more consummation than wanting, as opposed to the other scenes, but technically, they don't have sex here, and there is no kissing.
- "God doesn't want you, but I still do." Still my favourite line spoken on Angel throughout five entire seasons, and the moment that sold me on Darla/Angel as a pairing. It's just such a raw moment, after both of them have managed to eviscerate each other emotionally (Angel by telling Darla she never made him happy, Darla by demonstrating rather effectively he's kidding himself about the darkness), and it never fails to make me go "guh".
Fun and Games
Because it's not all about the seriousness. Playful moments work very much for me.
- after hearing one more Methosian one liner, Duncan, busy painting his veranda, paints Methos' nose with a quick gesture, in Chivalry (Highlander: the Series). Strangely enough, it was this and not the more tension-ridden moment later in the episode where they spar that sold the pairing to me. It's a teasing between friends which of course you can read as absolutely platonic, but the very relaxedness and casualness of the gesture makes it so appealing to me.
- Aeryn tells John he's not the only one who had fun in another body, at the end of Out of their Minds (Farscape), and he just grins and chases after her. It's mostly this scene that makes me believe John and Aeryn had sex for most of season 2, because it isn't about UST, it's very much an established couple thing. Also a rare moment of playfulness in the drama (and for one entire season, to wit, four, alas, melodrama) of John and Aeryn. As a non-shipper, this is one of my favourite scenes about them as a couple.
- "Especially the lies." Garak tells Bashir what is true about him at the end of The Wire, and Bashir, with a roll of his eyes, smiles, shrugs, accepts that he won't get answers any time soon and has another lunch with him. "Having lunch" is the DS9 variation of "dancing" when it comes to Garak/Bashir, you know.
- Emily and Arvin Sloane go through a series of names in the second flashback from In Dreams (Alias). In context, it's sad, because the child they're picking the names for will never live, and Emily herself is dead by the time we see this scene, but taken on its own, it's playful and lighthearted and very tender as Arvin teases her by going through a series of Italian town names before settling on "Jaquelyn". It also sums up why this marriage worked for decades despite her being the quintessential nice woman and him being an Evil Overlord who once had an affair with his best friends' wife: these two people adored each other, and she brought out the best in him.
- "Does that make me some kind of deviant?" Aka William, meet Angelus, in the first flashback of Destiny, AtS. Dru brings home the new boytoy, and Daddy likes it so much he starts to play immediately. That little hand holding demonstration sets up the entire Spike/Angel relationship.
"I love you"
Without saying these three words, and going for the heartbreak effect.
- "Did you betray me?" "Avon." Yep, the big climax of the very final episode of Blake's 7, and if anyone has an explanation for Avon's behaviour that does not involve being in love/hate with Blake, I haven't heard it yet. Shot!Blake's behaviour as he makes his way to Avon, just says his name and diesin a last embrace clutching Avon is a tad difficult to figure out without that, too. Ah, Chris Boucher with your fondness for Westerns, you watched Duel in the Sun one time too often.
- Emily shows Arvin she's wired and the CIA has been listening, in Truth Takes Time, s2 of Alias. Then you have a moment where you wonder: will he strangle her? At least be angry and yell or something? But instead, he swallows, then asks her to come with him one last time. I can't help myself, I cry each time I see that. Despite some disgruntlement with late s5, I shall always be grateful JJ made long term relationships between middle aged people so important and moving in this show, and this scene does more for me than any of the Syd/Vaughn drama.
- "You were enemies. Why would you care about what happened to her?" "Because you do." (Wesley and Angel talk about Lilah in late s4.). As opposed to the majority of the fandom, I started out AtS liking Wesley more than Angel and ended it liking Angel more than Wesley (as opposed to the other way around, which seems to be the usual reaction), but either way, the relationship between them, through Wesley's early adoration ("I am your faithful servant, Angel" would be the Wesleyan equivalent to Spike's "you know you've got a willing slave") to disillusionment and anger to renewed friendship to betrayal to rescuing to patched up relationship to that last look exchanged in NFA, before Wesley goes off to Veil, has always been one of the most important of the show to me. While I think you can't argue that Wesley loves Angel (however you want to define that love), it's more difficult to pin down what Angel feels, which is this particular moment is so important for me. It's not just Angel getting Wes/Lilah before anyone else (including Wesley, who needs til "Home" to express what he feels for her) does, or Angel offering comfort, or Angel expressing wish for reconciliation in a better way than in Ground State earlier that season, but all of it together. To wit: no, I don't think Angel ever got completely over the kidnapping (because of what that did to Connor), but this was his way of telling Wesley he loved him anyway.
- and on the people telling Wes they love him note, I would nominate Illyria, except she actually does say the words, even though in Fred guise because he wouldn't accept them otherwise, so, instead: "But it means a lot that you tried," Lilah in Home. You know, at the time I of course hoped Lilah would be back for s5, but in retrospect, it worked for me that she wasn't, because that was the perfect final scene between them, moving without being sentimental, and would have been hard to top.
- Aeryn takes leave of Crais in Farscape's Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, part II, pressing her hand to his cheek. Crais and Aeryn did a couple of terrible things to each other (he originally kicked her out of the Peacekeepers, she put him through the Aurora Chair), and due to taking a very similar path (being consumate PKs, leaving the Peacekeepers which nonetheless formed a part of who they were), understood each other a little better than most characters. They also shared a child, Talyn, in every way that counts. He probably loved her in a way she could not love him (being in love with John even during those times when the later was dead and/or unavailable), but she did feel something, and while neither of them said the words, that was the moment when they both expressed it. I get misty-eyed each time.
- "My people can never forgive your people. You understand that?" "Yes." "But I can forgive you." Come on. How can I not? Londo and G'Kar in The Fall of Centauri Prime, aka The Best Scene Ever. Pay-off for five years of an amazing relationship going from political enmity plus bickering through genuine hate to necessary alliance to friendship to - well, hard to call it anything else, is it? Love.
Bonus category: I don't really slash them, but there was this moment of "huh"/"hm"....
I. Everything Jack 'n Arvin, plain and simple. And the "I don't really slash them" is only meant in the sense of "I never wrote a fanfic with them having sex". (Because I do eagerly read what few stories by admirable authors manage to pull this off.) I mostly blame this on Victor Garber's acting prowess by making Jack Bristow the straightest man on tv. Anyway, those on screen canon moments where even Jack's straighter-than-straight vibe could not stop the "hmmm":
- "Give me one good reason why I shouldn't do to you what I did to my wife." And he drags him into the men's room and pushes him against the tiles to have that conversation. Clearly, Jack has never read a single bit of fanfic, or he would have recognized the set-up.
- having gained an additional layer these days: the boys after Jack nearly killed Arvin in s3:
JACK: I wanted to speak with you regarding the Lisenker defection. Any word on how the Covenant is taking it?
SLOANE: Tell me, Jack, is that why you came to see me?
JACK: About last week... it was a matter of circumstance, Arvin. Whether I would have gone through with it...
SLOANE: Oh, you would've. I would've.
JACK: Perhaps.
SLOANE: And now you feel guilty. Well don't bother, Jack. Sydney's life was at stake. How can I blame a man for doing whatever he can to save his daughter's life?
And they exchange a looooong look.
II. "Don't disappoint Daddy". Aka that scene with Connor and Angelus in Soulless. Which has BadWrong vibes, sorry, but it has. Usually, I'm a bit annoyed by fanfic tendency to see intense emotional relationships in a family context as incesteous (because all intensity must signify sex... right), and I don't think Angel, with soul, would ever, or would even want to, but reduced to Angelus? Well. Let's just say I don't think he'd have killed Connor if Cordy hadn't shown up and Connor had actually gone into the cage.
"I want you, I want you so bad":
- Scorpius on top of John in Wolf in Sheep's Clothing II (third season of Farscape) tying with John drinking Scorpius' blood in Prayer (fourth season); naturally, both situations were Scorpius' idea, but John, post-modern geek that he is, isn't oblivious to the implications (see also: each and every comment he makes in that type of situation)
- Buffy and Faith dancing, in Bad Girls, Buffy the Vampire Slayer; popular choice, but it never gets old. Arguably the hottest f/f moment on BTVS, despite Willow being the one who gets the on-screen smoochings with other girls. Long before Spike gave Buffy his speech behind the Bronze and long before Stephen Moffat penned The Doctor Dances, here was dancing used as a clear metaphor, and boy, it worked.
- Basically every encounter between Jack Bristow and Irina Derevko in season 2 of Alias before that UST gets RST, but if I have to pick one, that moment in Passage part I, when Irina, err, changes costumes.
andrastewhite once summed up the subtext of her and Jack's interaction during that scene like this: Jack: You are an evil woman who broke my heart and is going to steal my daughter. Irina: Yes, but you still want me, right?
Jack: How pathetic do you think I am?
Irina: *removes clothes*
Jack: ....
Irina: What I thought.
- The Orgasmic Feeding Scene (tm) from Graduation Day II, BTVS: my own pick for sexiest scene between Buffy and Angel. (I'm absolutely 'shipping neutral and enjoy Buffy with Angel, Spike, yes, Riley, too, and as mentioned above, Faith.) The only reason why I'm hesitating to put it here is that it's actually more consummation than wanting, as opposed to the other scenes, but technically, they don't have sex here, and there is no kissing.
- "God doesn't want you, but I still do." Still my favourite line spoken on Angel throughout five entire seasons, and the moment that sold me on Darla/Angel as a pairing. It's just such a raw moment, after both of them have managed to eviscerate each other emotionally (Angel by telling Darla she never made him happy, Darla by demonstrating rather effectively he's kidding himself about the darkness), and it never fails to make me go "guh".
Fun and Games
Because it's not all about the seriousness. Playful moments work very much for me.
- after hearing one more Methosian one liner, Duncan, busy painting his veranda, paints Methos' nose with a quick gesture, in Chivalry (Highlander: the Series). Strangely enough, it was this and not the more tension-ridden moment later in the episode where they spar that sold the pairing to me. It's a teasing between friends which of course you can read as absolutely platonic, but the very relaxedness and casualness of the gesture makes it so appealing to me.
- Aeryn tells John he's not the only one who had fun in another body, at the end of Out of their Minds (Farscape), and he just grins and chases after her. It's mostly this scene that makes me believe John and Aeryn had sex for most of season 2, because it isn't about UST, it's very much an established couple thing. Also a rare moment of playfulness in the drama (and for one entire season, to wit, four, alas, melodrama) of John and Aeryn. As a non-shipper, this is one of my favourite scenes about them as a couple.
- "Especially the lies." Garak tells Bashir what is true about him at the end of The Wire, and Bashir, with a roll of his eyes, smiles, shrugs, accepts that he won't get answers any time soon and has another lunch with him. "Having lunch" is the DS9 variation of "dancing" when it comes to Garak/Bashir, you know.
- Emily and Arvin Sloane go through a series of names in the second flashback from In Dreams (Alias). In context, it's sad, because the child they're picking the names for will never live, and Emily herself is dead by the time we see this scene, but taken on its own, it's playful and lighthearted and very tender as Arvin teases her by going through a series of Italian town names before settling on "Jaquelyn". It also sums up why this marriage worked for decades despite her being the quintessential nice woman and him being an Evil Overlord who once had an affair with his best friends' wife: these two people adored each other, and she brought out the best in him.
- "Does that make me some kind of deviant?" Aka William, meet Angelus, in the first flashback of Destiny, AtS. Dru brings home the new boytoy, and Daddy likes it so much he starts to play immediately. That little hand holding demonstration sets up the entire Spike/Angel relationship.
"I love you"
Without saying these three words, and going for the heartbreak effect.
- "Did you betray me?" "Avon." Yep, the big climax of the very final episode of Blake's 7, and if anyone has an explanation for Avon's behaviour that does not involve being in love/hate with Blake, I haven't heard it yet. Shot!Blake's behaviour as he makes his way to Avon, just says his name and dies
- Emily shows Arvin she's wired and the CIA has been listening, in Truth Takes Time, s2 of Alias. Then you have a moment where you wonder: will he strangle her? At least be angry and yell or something? But instead, he swallows, then asks her to come with him one last time. I can't help myself, I cry each time I see that. Despite some disgruntlement with late s5, I shall always be grateful JJ made long term relationships between middle aged people so important and moving in this show, and this scene does more for me than any of the Syd/Vaughn drama.
- "You were enemies. Why would you care about what happened to her?" "Because you do." (Wesley and Angel talk about Lilah in late s4.). As opposed to the majority of the fandom, I started out AtS liking Wesley more than Angel and ended it liking Angel more than Wesley (as opposed to the other way around, which seems to be the usual reaction), but either way, the relationship between them, through Wesley's early adoration ("I am your faithful servant, Angel" would be the Wesleyan equivalent to Spike's "you know you've got a willing slave") to disillusionment and anger to renewed friendship to betrayal to rescuing to patched up relationship to that last look exchanged in NFA, before Wesley goes off to Veil, has always been one of the most important of the show to me. While I think you can't argue that Wesley loves Angel (however you want to define that love), it's more difficult to pin down what Angel feels, which is this particular moment is so important for me. It's not just Angel getting Wes/Lilah before anyone else (including Wesley, who needs til "Home" to express what he feels for her) does, or Angel offering comfort, or Angel expressing wish for reconciliation in a better way than in Ground State earlier that season, but all of it together. To wit: no, I don't think Angel ever got completely over the kidnapping (because of what that did to Connor), but this was his way of telling Wesley he loved him anyway.
- and on the people telling Wes they love him note, I would nominate Illyria, except she actually does say the words, even though in Fred guise because he wouldn't accept them otherwise, so, instead: "But it means a lot that you tried," Lilah in Home. You know, at the time I of course hoped Lilah would be back for s5, but in retrospect, it worked for me that she wasn't, because that was the perfect final scene between them, moving without being sentimental, and would have been hard to top.
- Aeryn takes leave of Crais in Farscape's Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, part II, pressing her hand to his cheek. Crais and Aeryn did a couple of terrible things to each other (he originally kicked her out of the Peacekeepers, she put him through the Aurora Chair), and due to taking a very similar path (being consumate PKs, leaving the Peacekeepers which nonetheless formed a part of who they were), understood each other a little better than most characters. They also shared a child, Talyn, in every way that counts. He probably loved her in a way she could not love him (being in love with John even during those times when the later was dead and/or unavailable), but she did feel something, and while neither of them said the words, that was the moment when they both expressed it. I get misty-eyed each time.
- "My people can never forgive your people. You understand that?" "Yes." "But I can forgive you." Come on. How can I not? Londo and G'Kar in The Fall of Centauri Prime, aka The Best Scene Ever. Pay-off for five years of an amazing relationship going from political enmity plus bickering through genuine hate to necessary alliance to friendship to - well, hard to call it anything else, is it? Love.
Bonus category: I don't really slash them, but there was this moment of "huh"/"hm"....
I. Everything Jack 'n Arvin, plain and simple. And the "I don't really slash them" is only meant in the sense of "I never wrote a fanfic with them having sex". (Because I do eagerly read what few stories by admirable authors manage to pull this off.) I mostly blame this on Victor Garber's acting prowess by making Jack Bristow the straightest man on tv. Anyway, those on screen canon moments where even Jack's straighter-than-straight vibe could not stop the "hmmm":
- "Give me one good reason why I shouldn't do to you what I did to my wife." And he drags him into the men's room and pushes him against the tiles to have that conversation. Clearly, Jack has never read a single bit of fanfic, or he would have recognized the set-up.
- having gained an additional layer these days: the boys after Jack nearly killed Arvin in s3:
JACK: I wanted to speak with you regarding the Lisenker defection. Any word on how the Covenant is taking it?
SLOANE: Tell me, Jack, is that why you came to see me?
JACK: About last week... it was a matter of circumstance, Arvin. Whether I would have gone through with it...
SLOANE: Oh, you would've. I would've.
JACK: Perhaps.
SLOANE: And now you feel guilty. Well don't bother, Jack. Sydney's life was at stake. How can I blame a man for doing whatever he can to save his daughter's life?
And they exchange a looooong look.
II. "Don't disappoint Daddy". Aka that scene with Connor and Angelus in Soulless. Which has BadWrong vibes, sorry, but it has. Usually, I'm a bit annoyed by fanfic tendency to see intense emotional relationships in a family context as incesteous (because all intensity must signify sex... right), and I don't think Angel, with soul, would ever, or would even want to, but reduced to Angelus? Well. Let's just say I don't think he'd have killed Connor if Cordy hadn't shown up and Connor had actually gone into the cage.
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