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Several viewings of Utopia later, and I'm still very much in the same place emotionally, to wit:



1) I probably should not find the sentence "Say my name" insanely hot, but I do. Also that the Doctor does say his name after.

2) Otoh, I don't feel guilty for still sniggering about the Martha 'n Jack snark/bonding about Blonde Privilege

3) Though the Martha moment which will go in my Grand Post Of Martha Adoration, which I shall write once this season is over, will probably be either "boys and their toys" or the small but Martha-typical fact that when everyone rushes into the laboratory, she notices poor Chantho on the floor right away and checks on her. Matha's doctor-ness is such a quintessential character trait for her.

And in conclusion: hopefully someone will make a "Sympathy for the Devil" vid about you-know-who once there is enough footage.

Date: 2007-06-18 09:37 am (UTC)
andraste: The reason half the internet imagines me as Patrick Stewart. (Default)
From: [personal profile] andraste
I probably should not find the sentence "Say my name" insanely hot, but I do.

If it's any comfort, it's not just you *g*.

Martha is so awesome! I look forward to the post of Martha adoration.

And in conclusion: hopefully someone will make a "Sympathy for the Devil" vid about you-know-who once there is enough footage.

I've always thought of it as a Seven song, but I know what you mean. There need to be more Doctor Who vids in general, or at least more that are not Doctor/Rose. (Not that I have anything against Doctor/Rose vids, I just mean that the subject seems well-represented.)

Date: 2007-06-18 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
If it's any comfort, it's not just you *g*.

I knew you'd understand!

I've always thought of it as a Seven song, but I know what you mean.

It works for Seven as well. But then, that's Seven for you and me.

There need to be more Doctor Who vids in general, or at least more that are not Doctor/Rose.

Quite. [livejournal.com profile] calapine made some fabulous ones; my favourites are "Run with us" (Seven/Ace) her grand all Doctos all the time retrospective. The Master vid ("Man in Black", of course!) is hilarious.

Date: 2007-06-18 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
I've always considered Billy Bragg's "Accident Waiting to Happen" as the definitive Seven song.

Date: 2007-06-18 02:09 pm (UTC)
andraste: The reason half the internet imagines me as Patrick Stewart. (Default)
From: [personal profile] andraste
I knew you'd understand!

All we need now is a prison scene or two!

(Incidentally, the two of them have had a few great ones over the years, notably in The Sea Devils where the Doctor steals the Master's sandwiches during a sword fight ...)

Quite. calapine made some fabulous ones; my favourites are "Run with us" (Seven/Ace) her grand all Doctos all the time retrospective. The Master vid ("Man in Black", of course!) is hilarious.

I really should track down all of calapine's vids - I've seen some of them, but I somehow missed the Seven/Ace one!

I'm working on a Doctor Who vid for VividCon myself at the moment ...

Date: 2007-06-18 10:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Even I went, WHOA...and that the Doctor DID say it!

::rubs hands::

Is there a Doctor v. The Master primer out somewhere?

Also, Martha, she rocketh my world.

Date: 2007-06-18 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Doctor v. The Master primer: there has to be, and I'll try to find it. In the meantime, have a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGkI4Ds8QM

Tongue in cheek take on the most popular incarnation of the Master, who was played by Roger Degaldo. The Doctor you see him with is the Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee, aka the fellow with the white curly hair), the Doctor's companion (a blonde (!)) is Jo Grant.

Also useful: The Master's official canonical opinion of the various incarnations of the Doctor. As you can see, he plays favourites:

http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwho/1636384.html

Date: 2007-06-18 11:26 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Ooh, thanks!

Date: 2007-06-18 01:42 pm (UTC)
andraste: The reason half the internet imagines me as Patrick Stewart. (Default)
From: [personal profile] andraste
Even I went, WHOA...and that the Doctor DID say it!

Yes! Which is especially shocking if you know what a big deal he usually made of not calling the Master that to his face in the classic series.

Is there a Doctor v. The Master primer out somewhere?

His Wikapedia seems quite helpful. It even draws attention to the Roberts Master's incredibly gayitude *g*.

Also, Martha, she rocketh my world.

Martha Jones for President! Of what, I don't know.

Date: 2007-06-18 09:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] g_shadowslayer
I agree on all three points :D

And that vid would rock -- we need someone to make it!

Date: 2007-06-18 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] andrastewhite is a vidder, which is why I'm trying to con her into it with this post. *g*

Speaking of conning: So... does that mean once we get more material in forms of situations where they're in the same room at the same time, you'll write Doctor/Master?

Date: 2007-06-18 10:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] g_shadowslayer
does that mean once we get more material in forms of situations where they're in the same room at the same time, you'll write Doctor/Master?

Hmmn... Once I get over my grrrr-ness at the Tenth Doctor (the Jack in my head is mightily peeved at the moment) I just might! (Hmmn... do I have some kind of reputation here? ;) )

Date: 2007-06-18 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Does it help to point out it was actually the Ninth Doctor who left Jack? *veg* (He didn't regenerate until after the TARDIS was already on its way, right?)

Also, I must say the scene in the radiation room made me go aw. Being separated by glass makes for great emotional intimacy and admissions.

Reputation: is that a trick question?

Date: 2007-06-18 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
1) I probably should not find the sentence "Say my name" insanely hot, but I do. Also that the Doctor does say his name after.

Well... You Are Not Alone. (Cracking myself up here.) If they make them brothers I'm going to cry...

my Grand Post Of Martha Adoration

There can never be enough Martha Adoration in the world. I think this is actually what makes this episode perfect: Martha, Ten and Jack, and Derek Jacobi and John Simm in one package.

Date: 2007-06-18 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
If they make them brothers I'm going to cry...

Me too. And then I'll get myself a hankerchief, look at the canon incest in one fandom (the couple in this icon, from Carnivale) and, err, the majority of fanfic in another, and resign myself to fate.

There can never be enough Martha Adoration in the world. I think this is actually what makes this episode perfect: Martha, Ten and Jack, and Derek Jacobi and John Simm in one package.

This is so true. Season 3 is quickly on its way to becoming my favourite season of New Who for those reasons...

Date: 2007-06-18 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Me too. And then I'll get myself a hankerchief, look at the canon incest in one fandom (the couple in this icon, from Carnivale) and, err, the majority of fanfic in another, and resign myself to fate.

Well, Justin and Iris were always special, anyway, and I'm still steadfastly (steadfastly, I tell you!) ignoring the huge amount of fanfic in that other fandom, which is ever so slightly hindered by the fact that fandom at large has apparently decided that Nathan is only to be paired off with relatives, whether male or female - though I have yet to see anyone make good on Angela's Mrs. Iselin vibes, admittedly.
As for the Master and the Doctor, maybe one could make a plea for different cultural standards - they aren't human, after all.

This is so true. Season 3 is quickly on its way to becoming my favourite season of New Who for those reasons...

Same here. I'm beginning to wonder if that is because I truly think Ten and Martha make a better combo than Ten and Rose (who were way too first grade together), or because the episodes are better as a whole, or because we thankfully didn't have any Cybermen yet.

Date: 2007-06-18 10:38 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] geekturnedvamp.livejournal.com
I probably should not find the sentence "Say my name" insanely hot, but I do. Also that the Doctor does say his name after.

I'm sorry, is there ANYONE who didn't find that insanely hot? Because if so, I suspect they are not on my friendslist. Or, you know, breathing.

Date: 2007-06-18 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You probably do have a point.*g*

Date: 2007-06-18 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorh.livejournal.com
There really should be a "Say my name, BITCH!" icon. I'm astounded there isn't.

Though the Doctor doesn't think much of the idea.

Date: 2007-06-18 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I will check the icon communities right away.

Date: 2007-06-18 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenpear.livejournal.com
I'm just glad to see continuality between seasons. It's what made B5, and a few others like it, a joy to watch. They dont forget their past.

And I don't think Rose will ever be forgotten.

And John Simm is just like a rabid little animal when he regenrates. Cute, but rabid...

Date: 2007-06-18 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorh.livejournal.com
Regarding Martha's "boys and their toys"--if she ever meets up with Rose, they can compare notes over tea.

Rose: God, you should've seen 'em--Jack with that sonic blaster and the Doctor defendin' his screwdriver . . .

Martha: You know it's all about their--you know.

Rose: You ask me, they could've found a better way to settle it.

Martha: With you as referee?

(They giggle and burst into full-on laughter as the boys enter.)

Doctor: (to Jack) I don't like the looks of this.

Jack: I'll shut Martha up. You take the blonde.

Date: 2007-06-18 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Bwahahhaaa. Yes indeed.

"It's sonic!" and "sports car of time travel" - who but Jack Harkness could get the Doctor to utter such things?

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