Fannish Migration Meme
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Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?
No, not in the sense of having become a fan, let alone writing fanfiction, without having seen/read the source material. In fact, that's one of my tried and true anti-kinks. I absolutely hate it when someone states "I haven't watched/read XYZ, but here's my story" - few things make me back off faster as a reader. And I've seen it happen in a lot of fandoms- people basing their characterisation on fanfiction, rather than on the source material. (Mind you, in a fandom like Doctor Who, where with 40 years of canon material, some of which has been destroyed forever - thanks, BBC! - it's impossible to have watched everything. However, it's easy to keep writing about what you are familiar with, i.e. if you've only watched New Who, stay away from the previous regenerations and companions, and try to avoid grand sweeping statements about the Doctor's lives and emotional states during same. Or if you've watched Four but no previous regenerations, then kindly stay away from One to Three. And so on.) (And then there is the "I only watched the Methos episodes" phenomen of Highlander fanfiction. Which used to drive me crazy. This might qualify whoever is writing to write about Methos, but the Duncan characterisation almost invariably is faulty or sucks, and often the same is true for the Joe characterisation, for Amanda and Richie.)
All this being said: what did happen to me was that I became curious about fandoms by reading crossovers in which I didn't know one of the fandoms involved, or by "meeting" characters via roleplay at![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
theatrical_muse when I was still active there. This then led to my tracking down the original source material and becoming fannish, or not.
Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?
That did happen, usually with source material that didn't or doesn't have a large fandom to become involved with, like, say, Dexter, but also with a really big fandom like Harry Potter where I liked the novels and the occasional fanfic by writer I already was familiar with elsewhere, but no more than that. What also happens in regular intervals is that shipping wars and character bashing in various big fandoms drive me crazy and I have to absent myself from doing anything but watch/read the source material for a while. Though the "bah, fandom!" mode usually is then elevated by reading great fanfic or great meta once I get back into it.
Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material?
Absolutely. Sometimes it took a bit longer - with Buffy, for example, which was pimped to me by fellow Highlander fans, but which I didn't get fannish about until perhaps three quarters of a season, or Alias, where it also took a season and some episodes more - and sometimes it really did happen very quickly. *pauses for mournful thought of having marathoned most of Heroes season 1 during the last s1 hiatus and the effect that had back then*
Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?
I'm still feeling smug about successfully pimping both Babylon 5 and Alias to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
andrastewhite. This increased the percentage of Londo/G'Kar and Arvin Sloane fanfiction to no end, which is exactly what I was hoping for. Not the only example of successful pimping - looks at bimo and thaliaseawood - but still one of my favourites.
Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?
Not really, no.
Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?
Hm, as I joined Buffy fandom between s2 and s3 of the original broadcast time when the show was at the height of its popularity - yes, I suppose? On the other hand, I usually never leave old fandoms behind completely, and keep coming back every now and then. Also, the biggest fannish mass migration in my time on lj was to Supernatural, and I just couldn't follow, even when for a time everyone seemed to be crazy about it. (The "no nasty girls near our boyz"!!! posts around SPN s2 were a big, big reason, admittedly.) Since it's unfair to make judgments about something based on fannish reactions, I eventually got around to watching the first season, decided it really was not for me and have been happy to stay away from that particular migration ever since.
Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?
No, not in the sense of having become a fan, let alone writing fanfiction, without having seen/read the source material. In fact, that's one of my tried and true anti-kinks. I absolutely hate it when someone states "I haven't watched/read XYZ, but here's my story" - few things make me back off faster as a reader. And I've seen it happen in a lot of fandoms- people basing their characterisation on fanfiction, rather than on the source material. (Mind you, in a fandom like Doctor Who, where with 40 years of canon material, some of which has been destroyed forever - thanks, BBC! - it's impossible to have watched everything. However, it's easy to keep writing about what you are familiar with, i.e. if you've only watched New Who, stay away from the previous regenerations and companions, and try to avoid grand sweeping statements about the Doctor's lives and emotional states during same. Or if you've watched Four but no previous regenerations, then kindly stay away from One to Three. And so on.) (And then there is the "I only watched the Methos episodes" phenomen of Highlander fanfiction. Which used to drive me crazy. This might qualify whoever is writing to write about Methos, but the Duncan characterisation almost invariably is faulty or sucks, and often the same is true for the Joe characterisation, for Amanda and Richie.)
All this being said: what did happen to me was that I became curious about fandoms by reading crossovers in which I didn't know one of the fandoms involved, or by "meeting" characters via roleplay at
theatrical_muse when I was still active there. This then led to my tracking down the original source material and becoming fannish, or not. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?
That did happen, usually with source material that didn't or doesn't have a large fandom to become involved with, like, say, Dexter, but also with a really big fandom like Harry Potter where I liked the novels and the occasional fanfic by writer I already was familiar with elsewhere, but no more than that. What also happens in regular intervals is that shipping wars and character bashing in various big fandoms drive me crazy and I have to absent myself from doing anything but watch/read the source material for a while. Though the "bah, fandom!" mode usually is then elevated by reading great fanfic or great meta once I get back into it.
Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material?
Absolutely. Sometimes it took a bit longer - with Buffy, for example, which was pimped to me by fellow Highlander fans, but which I didn't get fannish about until perhaps three quarters of a season, or Alias, where it also took a season and some episodes more - and sometimes it really did happen very quickly. *pauses for mournful thought of having marathoned most of Heroes season 1 during the last s1 hiatus and the effect that had back then*
Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?
I'm still feeling smug about successfully pimping both Babylon 5 and Alias to
andrastewhite. This increased the percentage of Londo/G'Kar and Arvin Sloane fanfiction to no end, which is exactly what I was hoping for. Not the only example of successful pimping - looks at bimo and thaliaseawood - but still one of my favourites. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?
Not really, no.
Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?
Hm, as I joined Buffy fandom between s2 and s3 of the original broadcast time when the show was at the height of its popularity - yes, I suppose? On the other hand, I usually never leave old fandoms behind completely, and keep coming back every now and then. Also, the biggest fannish mass migration in my time on lj was to Supernatural, and I just couldn't follow, even when for a time everyone seemed to be crazy about it. (The "no nasty girls near our boyz"!!! posts around SPN s2 were a big, big reason, admittedly.) Since it's unfair to make judgments about something based on fannish reactions, I eventually got around to watching the first season, decided it really was not for me and have been happy to stay away from that particular migration ever since.
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Date: 2009-01-11 04:28 pm (UTC)And I should probably accept that the only Connor I like in fanfiction is written by you and a few others.
My version of your anti-kink is a staunch refusal to read anything where someone tells me "you don't need to know the fandom."
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Date: 2009-01-11 04:37 pm (UTC):) This reminds me that even as a non fan, I remember people getting indignant when the first or second SPN tie-in novel, by
More seriously, I'm surprised that people who didn't like Connor want to pair him up with their darlings, but then I've never understood the portion of Spike fans who wrote Spike/Buffy stories while hating Buffy. And AtS/SPN (like BTVS/SPN) crossovers should be a headache anyway, since from what I remember about s1 of SPN the "rules" for demons are completely different.
...I'm glad my Connor is still liked by you, and feel guilty for not having written him for so long!
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Date: 2009-01-11 05:06 pm (UTC)I've read a number of xovers with SPN/buffyverse that do some handwaves to deal with the differing rules. But as for the Connor involvement, I think it's the Stanford thing that makes it so alluring and yet, well, as noted, they don't really care much about Connor, per se. But I do! Which is probably the bigger reason I can't read them, I have spent way more time than most writers thinking about these things. I like him!
And hey, no guilt! It's not like the wonderful stories you've written have been taken down and I can't reread them. We write what we write. :)
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Date: 2009-01-11 05:32 pm (UTC)Or look at pictures? It's not that hard to find them on the net. I even recognize the actor of Whatshisface The Angel everywhere even though I haven't watched SPN in three years.
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Date: 2009-01-11 06:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-11 05:06 pm (UTC)Not too hard to understand, as I understand it they started writing the ship as a non-canon one and carried on writing their version of the ship and characters while first refusing to accept that, and then furiously complaining because, the canon had a different view.
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Date: 2009-01-12 06:00 am (UTC)I'm curious as to why that's a turn-off. Do you assume it means the story is pure PWP?
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Date: 2009-01-12 06:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-12 12:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-12 05:10 pm (UTC)Certainly, if I know the fandom and the writer, I will use that as a guide to read more than the declarations that you don't need to know the fandom, but I won't read stories where I don't know the fandom and saying I don't need to know it makes me that much more less likely to read.
And I feel like we're getting off-topic in our friend's lj!
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Date: 2009-01-12 05:38 pm (UTC)Didn't mean to get off track, I just wanted to clarify the point.