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The Sarah Connor Chronicles 2.14 and [community profile] fannish5

Feb. 15th, 2009 06:16 pm
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Now, about that other show featuring humans and robots.



Gareth Dillahunt is a great mixture between funny and creepy as John Henry, that precocious adolescent and really impresses me, because at no point you are tempted to confuse him with Cromartie. No wonder they kept the actor on.

James Ellison: still needs to watch BSG as he continues to think monotheism makes AIs less inclined to cut loose on humanity. Also, James, given you just heard the kid has access to the internet, how long before he finds out about atheism? Maybe you should explain there are different theories about this whole creation business around.

Every time after a season break, they seem to do an episode reminding us just how dangerous Terminators can be, in case we've become too adjusted to them. Aside from John Henry, this time it's Catherine Weaver's turn as she takes out an entire building, and we get a replay of a famous T2 visual. But these are all subplots, as is the update on the Riley situation. About which: poor Riley. John suspects her foster parents of domestic abuse (well, what would you think if you only knew what he does?), and he's both completely wrong and on target. Riley's real domestic circumstances have nothing to do with a well-meaning present day couple and everything with her real adopted mother/lover/depending how you judge the vibe between them, Jesse. "Just for one hour." Incidentally, I think that is going to blow Jesse's cover because Cameron's "we don't need to look for her" sounded for me like "because I already know where she went", and I suspect in the next episode John and Cameron will encounter Jesse and Riley at Jesse's.

In the main plot, we have Sarah and a female doctor who also draws a wrong conclusion from Sarah's bruised, bleeding and scarred body. (BTW that really brought home how vulnerable human bodies are. Sarah is no Terminator, and every wound she's dealt will remain instead of self repair.) Because of her own backstory with Alvin the seemingly helpful cop whose vicious side doesn't come out until later. Sarah's extreme distrust at the start underscores what all those years on the run and especially the last weeks/months have done to her. She used to trust easier, to give people a chance easier. But in the last half season, this has backfired on her three times, so not surprisingly she has a hard time believing Felicia would help her without a gun on her head. But as this is in the end, with all the ambiguities and looming apocalypse, a very humane show, her eventual faith in Felicia proves justified. Choosing the late Kyle Reese to embody Sarah's more optimistic, outreaching side works for me in this particular episode, with the caveat that I don't want them to make Head!Kyle as long term arrangement. The thing is, in the previous episode - before the hiatus - we were reminded again of how Sarah used to be, the naive waitress she had to leave behind/kill in order to transferm herself into a hardened warrior, so that she, her son and humanity had a chance to survive. And that she's aware of this. So it's fitting that the visual for that old side of Sarah is the man she met when she was that young waitress, and that he's not aged, he is as he was, all she had to leave behind at age 19 in order to survive. It also throws a light on Sarah's mixed feelings about Derek; her current self refuses to see him as part of her family - which only consists of John and herself - while her inner Kyle insists that Derek is someone she should reach out to and connect with, just as she should trust Felicia.

For good measure, we also get a reminder of how dangerous and efficient Derek is, when he blows up the unsuspecting cop's car (I was afraid for a moment the cop was inside of same, because Derek is capable of killing humans), and later in the Mexican standoff. And that he's aware of Sarah's mixed feelings - his "I could tell; you called me twice" about how he knew she had to be in a bad state is pretty resigned to Sarah only reaching out in extremis. Not that Derek is one to talk; he still hasn't informed the Connors (either one) about Jesse, while Jesse does know about the Connors.

And in honour of yesterday's Valentine's Day, [livejournal.com profile] fannish5 asks:

Name five non-canoncial couples that you would like - or would have liked - to see get together in canon.

I think we have to be clear on definitions first. "Get together" how? In the sense of canon defining their already existing relationship as sexual in a textual rather than subtextual way? In the sense of the two characters getting a happily ever after? In the sense of them getting a none night stand because that would be hot, but no more? In the sense of two characters who maybe shared only a scene or two, or no scene at all, becoming a couple because it could work? Hm. Well. This is tricky, because I'm not much of a shipper, and in the few cases where I really am, canon either did me the favour of making the couple in question textual or I don't quite see what on screen smooches would have added. (Take Londo/G'Kar, one of my few OTPs. I don't think The Best Scene Ever in The Fall of Centauri Prime would have improved had they kissed instad of embraced. Nor, I hasten to add, would it have been worse. It just - *shrugs* - wouldn't have added anything emotionally for me.) No matter how much I enjoy reading (and writing) them in fanfiction. But let's see, there should be some couples who fit at least one of the above named criteria.



1) Giles/Anya in Buffy The Vampire Slayer. I'm against Giles/any of the other Scoobies, because of the father/mentor figure factor and my power balance squick, but Anya, looks aside, is over a millennium old, and they had a great on screen vibe together already.

2) Aeryn/Crais in Farscape. Not on a permanent basis, but as John/Aeryn in late s3 and s4 turned increasingly masochistic for both parties, and Aeryn seemed to have no other storylines and interests outside of John in her PodAeryn season 4 phase, I often found myself wistfully remembering how creat her s2 and s3 scenes with Crais and Talyn were, and wished both had survived, and she'd have chosen to go with them instead of remaining on Moya. Peacekeeper Wars did a lot to reconcile me to John/Aeryn again, but I still wish we'd have gotten at least a short while Aeryn/Crais.

3) Angel/Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Series. By the fifth season of AtS, there was hardly anyone left (except for one poster at Whedonesque, who got a rather infamous retort) who doubted they used to have sex in the bad old days and still had the occasional sex in the current day. Or night. It seems unnecessarily coy that the show denied us on-screen examples, which wouldn't have changed a single plot. Moreover, Boreanaz and Marsters had chemistry, which is more that could be said of Marsters and Barrowman later on Torchwood or for that matter of Boreanaz and Carpenter. (I maintain the only two people Charisma Carpenter had on screen chemistry with were Nicholas Brendon and Glenn Quinn.) And in conclusion: there have to be deleted scenes for the very special dvd edition, right?

4) Sydney/Will on Alias. While the First Gen Spies were my primary interest on that show, I was also fond of Sydney, and spent much of the five seasons either being indifferent to or actively disliking Vaughn. (Much of season 4 was an exception to this. But then, I love season 4 so much that I feel benign to basically everybody.) Meanwhile, there was Sydney's friend Will Tippin during the first two seasons and in a great comeback episode in season 3, who was not only incredible likeable and brave but also, despite having his life pretty much ruined for a season by his association with Sydney, had an angst free and relaxed friendship with her. And a sense of humour. In an ideal world, the producers would have killed off Vaughn or have him transferred post season 2 and made Will Sydney's main love interest.

5) Deb Morgan/Maria LaGuerta on Dexter. Not on a permanent basis, anything but. Even leaving aside canon love interests whom I'm rather fond of, LaGuerta is Deb's boss, and the Lundy precedent not withstanding, this is an issue. But I'm still rooting for a one night stand. Because they have that kind of hostility mixed with moments of empathy and perfect understanding dynamic, and it would be hot.

Date: 2009-02-15 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, Sydney/Will. I'm very fond of the brief experiment with Will being an analyst. Because at some point the CIA (and the show-runners) caught on to the fact that cub reporter Will was a better investigator than most of the spies. And then they brought him to the meetings and he suggested things that made sense, and they were all like, "Wow, nobody ever suggested things that made sense before!"

Of course it couldn't last. (Though I naturally loved both of his return episodes).

Date: 2009-02-15 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I knew I could count on you as a fellow Sydney/Will supporter!

Date: 2009-02-15 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Gareth Dillahunt is a great mixture between funny and creepy as John Henry, that precocious adolescent and really impresses me, because at no point you are tempted to confuse him with Cromartie. No wonder they kept the actor on.

I first saw him on Deadwood, where has two different roles in two seasons - the murderer of Wild Bill Hickock and a serial killer, and he's almost unrecognizable. And then the next time I saw him was as Aidan Quinn's Head!Jesus in The Book Of Daniel, and he was completely different again. He actually manages to do kind and loving quite well.

Will Tippin: I never understood why they wrote him out. I loved that character (and he would have made a better love interest for sure.).

Date: 2009-02-15 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Maybe the actor got a better part elsewhere? And/or they figured out Will made Vaughn look like a chump in comparison.

I've watched Deadwood and didn't recognize GD at all!

Date: 2009-02-15 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Maybe the actor got a better part elsewhere?

From interviews I got the sense he was disappointed to be written out, so it was probably Option 2.

I've watched Deadwood and didn't recognize GD at all!

Jack McCall and Francis Wolcott. David Milch must have liked him a lot, he also used him in John from Cincinnati (which is not really worth knowing, but had a great deal of ABM-Stellen for Deadwood actors).

Date: 2009-02-15 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolivingman.livejournal.com
I loved Will with Sydney, because he was so very normal and so relaxed and so good for her. I love the later seasons too, but the tension in the first 2 between Sydney's "real" life and her crazy spy life was really missing later on. And Will was a huge part of that.

Also, I thought the Sydney/Will chemistry was way more exciting than the Sydney/Vaughn, though I know that's subjective.

Date: 2009-02-15 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I love the later seasons too, but the tension in the first 2 between Sydney's "real" life and her crazy spy life was really missing later on. And Will was a huge part of that.

Yes. Once Will and Francie were gone, Sydney was completely consumed by her spy life. Mind you, I thought The Road Home did an effective job of pointing out how much Syd had changed in this regard by putting her together with the very Will-esque Sam, showing her through the eyes of a civilian, as it were. But still. More Will would have been better!

Chemistry: yes, eyes of the beholder, I know, but I saw the same thing you did.

Date: 2009-02-15 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blpurdom.livejournal.com
Technically, Angel/Spike IS canon, according to Joss Whedon himself. A throwaway line is even included in an episode of Angel to this effect. (I'm trying to remember when it was--the episode where they follow Buffy and the Immortal to Italy, I want to say). So even though there's nothing onscreen or in DVD outtakes, Joss himself acknowledges that they have had sexual encounters with each other.

Date: 2009-02-15 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I know that; also, the infamous poster on Whedonesque I was alluding to said something along the lines of "in my universe, heroes don't bugger each other", whereupon Joss retorted, "In my universe, heroes bugger each other senseless", and that Angel and Spike of course had had sex. But the throwawy line you mean - "I was never intimate with Angel - well, except the once" - isn't exactly the same thing as some undeniable on screen action.

Date: 2009-02-16 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blpurdom.livejournal.com
"In my universe, heroes bugger each other senseless," is such a beautiful line. :D (And also makes an awesome icon!)

Date: 2009-02-15 08:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com
I'd definitely take Cordelia/Xander over Cordelia/Angel any day of the week.

Date: 2009-02-16 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
It's not even a question. *waves with copy of "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered*.

(Mind you, aside from the writing - C/A as a romance sucked, though they had been wonderfully written as friends before that - I do think it's an actress thing, after having seen Charisma Carpenter on Veronica Mars where she looked extremely uncomfortable in her sex scenes as well, and there here character was supposed to be extremely confident. By sex scenes I mean nothing explicit, btw, just the usual tv kissing and sinking into the sheets. Around Brendon she was relaxed, and it showed.)

Date: 2009-02-15 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
I am still disappointed, and think it was a bit cowardly, that the slightly fanservicey "Buffy flirts with bisexuality" plot in the S8 comics was not balanced by canon A/S in After the Fall.

Date: 2009-02-16 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Another reason to put reading the comics off in my very crowded life. Bah.

Date: 2009-02-16 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuralclone.livejournal.com
Pod!Aeryn (and to be fair, Druggy!John as well) went a fair way towards making me hate the John/Aeryn pairing in Season 4. Fortunately Peacekeeper Wars went a long way towards reconciling me to it again. %-}

Date: 2009-02-16 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Agreed that Druggy!John was a part of the "why are we supposed to want them together as a couple again?" problem in s4, but with John at least the character development was ongoing, you could see how he had arrived at each point. Aeryn by contrast had left at the end of s3 as one character and came back in s4 as another, with rare flickers of the old Aeryn in episodes like the one where she, Chiana, Sikozu and Chianti kick ass... but for my money real Aeryn wasn't back until the Peacekeeper Wars. Plus there was the whole "writing angst for angst's sake" problem s4 exuded, and the incredibly lazy way they had John and Aeryn reconcile. (I still go headdesk over the whole "Aeryn, I didn't really have any distrust issues with you, I just faked them so Scorpius wouldn't notice I'm in love with you and would do anything for you" stupidity.) In conclusion: s4 = how not to write a leading couple.

Date: 2009-02-16 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neutralalienist.livejournal.com
Canon Angel/Spike would have been nice - they were one of my biggest ships, back in the day, I would have exploded with glee. Joss' comments are great - but it grates just a bit, knowing he considered it canon and didn't make it so. Usually I prefer subtext, but... Well, it just seems a bit cowardly to like and flirt with the idea and then do nothing with it.

I'd have liked Angel/Wes to replace Angel/Cordy, too, since we're dreaming.

Date: 2009-02-16 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I'm on board with that, too, having shipped Angel/Wes a little in late s1, though the replacement should only happen under the condition the writing for Wes doesn't suffer the same sudden drop as it did for poor Cordelia in s3!

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