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[selenak]

The seven types of LotR fans (both book and film). Identify and enjoy.*g*

londonkds has some intriguing thoughts on Mal and River, from Firefly. His definition of Mal as a sadist who knows he's one but believes he can contain it makes me wonder about Jossian characters written with and without self knowledge in this regard. Take Angel. My personal interpretation is that yes, he's a sadist, with a healthy dose of masochism as well, and knows it, but chooses to blame both on the demon. What Giles thinks he is I have no idea. I mean, leaving all slashy interpretations aside, he obviously does get some satisfaction out of beating up Ethan...

On the ongoing theme of "Lewis and Pullman: soulmates": I remember reading an article last year about some publisher wanting to re-edit the Narnia novels, "only without the religion". This year, according to the NY Times, you've got people wanting to film His Dark Materials, only without, you guessed it, the religion. (Specifically the attack thereof.)

(Somewhere in the great beyond, Tolkien is looking rather smug. Nobody ever threatened to do that sort of stuff to him.)

I'm not sure how long it's going to be online, but here is some footage of Episode III . No spoilers, unless you count the fact that there's going to be a duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan and Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor are seen practising for it, which, duh.

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[londonkds.livejournal.com]

My personal interpretation is that yes, he's a sadist, with a healthy dose of masochism as well, and knows it, but chooses to blame both on the demon.

My personal view on one of the differences between Angel and Spike is that Angel(us)'s sadistic tendencies were there well before the siring - look at the way in Becoming 1 Liam is mildly drunk but still in control of himself, and trying to bait his totally wrecked friend into something really stupid. Revealing. Spike's on the other hand are largely down to demonic agression.

I agree.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

But I think most of the time, Angel chooses to believe otherwise and blames the demon. Hence the whole third person Angelus references in the third and fourth season. (Not in the second and fifth, I notice, probably because with Darla and Spike present, that neat separation just doesn't work.)

I suppose one could make a counter argument, citing teen!Liam as seen in Spin the Bottle, but then those were special circumstances.

[searose.livejournal.com]

On the ongoing theme of "Lewis and Pullman: soulmates": I remember reading an article last year about some publisher wanting to re-edit the Narnia novels, "only without the religion".

Ha, this editor is going to go down in infamy. And really, who is he/she editing the books for? Young children don't see the religious subtext in Narnia, by and large, so does this editor want to 'sanitize' the books for adults?

Aslan would have to be excised almost completely from 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' and 'The Last Battle'. Actually, I don't know how anyone could remove religious subtext from 'The Last Battle', Aslan present or not.

The climate might not be right for a film version of 'His Dark Materials', though I would argue that the success of the books speaks against this. However, many books are toned down for movie versions, yet Pullman made such a *point* in the books along the lines of religion.

I wonder if 'Good Omens' could be filmed minus the religion. *eg*

[selenak.livejournal.com]

Ha, this editor is going to go down in infamy.

Oh yeah. Thankfully, I haven't heard anything about this project for a while.

However, many books are toned down for movie versions, yet Pullman made such a *point* in the books along the lines of religion.

Exactly. I suppose you could rewrite the Church as presented in Pullman into some non-religious authoritarian organisation, but really - daemons-as-souls? All the imagery? If you're really serious about cutting out the religion, it won't be Pullman in the end, anymore than Narnia-sans-religion would be Lewis.

I wonder if 'Good Omens' could be filmed minus the religion.

*Snort.* The mind boggles. The Anti-Something, and two immortal beings of unspecified origins?

The publisher was very quick to deny...

[londonkds.livejournal.com]

The rumours of a de-Christianised Narnia edition. As I recall it was never a question of bowlderising the orginal books anyway, but a possibility that new material might be produced set in the same universe but with the Christian metaphor toned down. Don't know if it was an urban legend or if they just gave up the idea because of the reaction.