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selenakSo, I may have watched The Avengers three times already. Um. I don't think I liked anything Joss Whedon did so much since Astonishing X-Men, which fits, and AXM was the best Joss thing since Buffy for me, and here I include Firefly, sorry, browncoats. Anyway, this coming shortly after rewatching Merlin seasons 3 and 4 suddenly made me realise that movieverse Thor and Loki = Arthur and Morgana, Merlin version, and that post-Thor and Avengers Thor and later seasons Arthur should start a Multiverse support group for How To Handle Your Still Beloved Sibling The Sociopath. Part of the program, which was written together after much brainstorming and shared mead:
1.) (All)Father. As in, best not mention him, since according to your sibling everything is his fault, which they at least partly may be right about. One of the problem is that even if you're prepared to discuss his faults, this somehow leads to "he always liked you better" which is bemusing because you have distinct childhood and adolescent memories of Dad being all agoo over the Dark Haired Ones and never lecturing them on their duties half as much.
2.) That Throne Is Mine. This point of discussion never goes anywhere, either. Part of your growth process as heroes means you have your doubts about your own qualification for rulership, but since the Beloved Sibling spends their interrmittent time on the top with killing people for sport, they clearly are not an option for the throne at all. Consultant Darcy scribbled a note on the program saying "offer throne to third party = everybody wins?", offered by a note by consultant Merlin writing "not unless third party is also side of coin", which does not sense to anyone.
3.) How To Make An Angsty Reunion Last. On the one hand, combining questions of "why" and reassurances of ongoing affection with physical closeness heighten the effect; on the other, they also give YSBSTS the chance to do some physical violence, so watch out for that.
On a less kidding note, I really did love the initial Loki and Thor reunion scene a lot, and a lot more than I had thought given my atypical for fandom feelings about Loki in the previous movie. (Another thing Loki and Morgana share in addition to entitlement and daddy issues is that fandom at large sees them far more as woobies than I do.) On both sides. It's the way Hiddleston makes the "did you miss me?" as something meant as a taunt but coming out as a genuine question, and Hemsworth goes from "you stop this" spoken forcefully to the tender "and you come home" . It's my dysfunctional siblings thing, I suppose, which also contributed to me digging the Arthur and Morgana reunion scene from Sword in the Stone II so much.
Unrelated to siblings but still in Avengers territory: I also found out that while we non-Americans got the movie first, we did not get a second post-credit scene, and the Americans do. What treachery is this? Here, oh fellow non-Americans, is a screen cap of said scene, which is the Shawarma outing Tony suggested, and now I wanted all the Avengers-eat-we-survived-meal-together stories in the world.
1.) (All)Father. As in, best not mention him, since according to your sibling everything is his fault, which they at least partly may be right about. One of the problem is that even if you're prepared to discuss his faults, this somehow leads to "he always liked you better" which is bemusing because you have distinct childhood and adolescent memories of Dad being all agoo over the Dark Haired Ones and never lecturing them on their duties half as much.
2.) That Throne Is Mine. This point of discussion never goes anywhere, either. Part of your growth process as heroes means you have your doubts about your own qualification for rulership, but since the Beloved Sibling spends their interrmittent time on the top with killing people for sport, they clearly are not an option for the throne at all. Consultant Darcy scribbled a note on the program saying "offer throne to third party = everybody wins?", offered by a note by consultant Merlin writing "not unless third party is also side of coin", which does not sense to anyone.
3.) How To Make An Angsty Reunion Last. On the one hand, combining questions of "why" and reassurances of ongoing affection with physical closeness heighten the effect; on the other, they also give YSBSTS the chance to do some physical violence, so watch out for that.
On a less kidding note, I really did love the initial Loki and Thor reunion scene a lot, and a lot more than I had thought given my atypical for fandom feelings about Loki in the previous movie. (Another thing Loki and Morgana share in addition to entitlement and daddy issues is that fandom at large sees them far more as woobies than I do.) On both sides. It's the way Hiddleston makes the "did you miss me?" as something meant as a taunt but coming out as a genuine question, and Hemsworth goes from "you stop this" spoken forcefully to the tender "and you come home" . It's my dysfunctional siblings thing, I suppose, which also contributed to me digging the Arthur and Morgana reunion scene from Sword in the Stone II so much.
Unrelated to siblings but still in Avengers territory: I also found out that while we non-Americans got the movie first, we did not get a second post-credit scene, and the Americans do. What treachery is this? Here, oh fellow non-Americans, is a screen cap of said scene, which is the Shawarma outing Tony suggested, and now I wanted all the Avengers-eat-we-survived-meal-together stories in the world.
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Date: 2012-05-03 05:18 pm (UTC)I saw a Loki/Morgana gif on tumblr the other day and I was like YES THAT IS RIGHT! Because Arthur and Thor do have a lot in common, as do Loki and Morgana. And I love the idea of Darcy and Merlin trading notes across the table. :) And as long as they keep Gwaine and Tony and their snark out of the proceedings something might actually give. Although, not having seen Avengers yet, I do think that Loki wants to be forgiven and welcomed back more than Morgana ever would. Like, I can see a happy(ish) ending for Thor and Loki where I can't for Morgana and Arthur.
Also, because you are one of my few friends that would understand, I saw a Avengers/Buffyverse mashup the other day (and wish I could find it again) where they likened Connor to Loki and my first thought was if Loki is the Conner in this verse no wonder I love Loki so much.
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Date: 2012-05-03 06:23 pm (UTC)They so do, and it didn't hit me until my second Avengers watching when I saw Thor and Loki interact and thought, hang on...
And as long as they keep Gwaine and Tony and their snark out of the proceedings something might actually give.
Ha, yes, also good matches for each other, and no, neither of them is particularly impressed by the SBSTS and their recent actions, and also prone to direct some sarcasm into the direction of the blond ones while they're at it. Incidentally, comicverse Tony while battling Dr. Doom actually ended up time travelling to Camelot (it was Doom's fault) and meeting both Arthur and Morgana but I doubt they'll ever do that in the movieverse.
Although, not having seen Avengers yet, I do think that Loki wants to be forgiven and welcomed back more than Morgana ever would.
Let me get back to you on that once you've seen the film. It's... complicated.
Also, because you are one of my few friends that would understand, I saw a Avengers/Buffyverse mashup the other day (and wish I could find it again) where they likened Connor to Loki and my first thought was if Loki is the Connor in this verse no wonder I love Loki so much.
:) Well, I'd say growing up in a hell dimension with Holtz is a bit worse than growing up at Asgard in Thor's shadow, but I got what you and they mean. Also, it gives me the tingle of one or two interesting ideas.
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Date: 2012-05-04 06:16 pm (UTC)I agree that the first scene between Loki and Thor was great. Loki is baiting his brother, as always, but still wants to know. And it's just always both reasons for Loki, or all reasons. And I just...*falls over* I love him so much. Sorry, sorry, okay, coming back. Each Thor/Loki scene really sparked with the weight of a whole life history together and Loki's entitled rage and Thor's deep love and utter disbelief that his brother is being such a prick. Loved all of their moments.
And can I say that it's nice to see Loki kick butt physically because for some reason the fandom has decided that since Thor is a good warrior and Loki is smart, Loki can't also be a good warrior? As if that even makes sense for an Asgaridan?
I hope you've had a chance to see the Shawarma scene online now because even though it's not that much more than the still, it's still so awesome. So perfect and funny. And, as you say, it must start the beginning of endless everyone eating together fics. (Plus, OMG, they're a team at the end and they're all having a good time together and that makes me ♥ all over the place.)
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Date: 2012-05-04 07:12 pm (UTC)Me too. You really feel that they've spent their entire lives (until recently) with each other.
And can I say that it's nice to see Loki kick butt physically because for some reason the fandom has decided that since Thor is a good warrior and Loki is smart, Loki can't also be a good warrior? As if that even makes sense for an Asgaridan?
I wonder whether that's because for some reason part of fandom also insisted on seeing Loki as the bullied kid from school who gets constantly beat up, and nope, no canon backup for this one and a clear case of fannish projection again. BTW, The Avengers finally made me go and acquire Thor on dvd, so I rewatched for the first time since it was in the cinemas and also saw the deleted scenes, and the first deleted scene was one between Thor and Loki before the big not!coronation ceremony, which interestingly has Thor, after some teasing from Loki, admitting he is somewhat nervous about this whole being king thing and basically asks Loki for reassurance.
Shawarma scene: I've seen gifs by now, and suppose I'll have to wait for the film on dvd in order to see it as part of the whole opus.
I've just read the first "everyone eats together" fic!