Multifandom links and thoughts
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selenakYou might have heard a bit of news that gave me a thrill: the tv series Marvel comissioned from Joss which I was resolved not to believe in until it's actually there starts to look more real by the day, since we now know it's going to be a S.H.I.E.L.D. series. In other words, samdonne, it's going to be the Nick Fury's People show you longed for after watching The Avengers.
There are no news yet as to which comicverse characters are going to be in it, which is why everyone is speculating. Personally, I'm hoping for my beloved Abigail Brand because Joss created her the last time he was in charge of a Marvel property, and since S.W.O.R.D. doesn't exist yet in the movieverse she has to get her early training somewhwere, doesn't she? I'm also hoping for Maria Hill, of course, though since I hear the actress has other obligations he might have to recast. Natasha sadly is out of the question given she's a hot movie property, and my guess is Marvel will want to keep Sharon Cartner for the Captain America films. But what about Mockingbird?
Here is a Joss interview about all things Marvel, in which he also gives a rare non-joking reply as to his thoughts about now having directed the third most successful blockbuster of all time:
I don't think it's a perfect movie. I don't even think it's a great movie. I think it's a great time, and I'm proud of it, but for me, what was exciting is that people don't go to see a movie that many times unless it's pulling on something from within, unless there's a need there. That's very gratifying.
Now whether like me you loved that movie to bits and watched it multiple times and still can't wait for the dvd or whether you feel the other extreme, that is an excellent definition.
Still Whedon-related, on the question as to whether Buffy should have ended with The Gift or with Chosen, I'm firmly on the Chosen side, and this wonderful meta details why.
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Another meta link: Why Doctor Who and ST: TNG can be friends. I wasn't aware there is a section of thought who thinks they couldn't. But then, I'm coming to the fandoms from the exact opposite corner than the poster, in that I was a Star Trek fan first (and specifically a TNG and DS9 fan) and only discoverd DW years and years later. (Also I like the Seven era better than she does.) Anyway, these are good and charming observations on both shows.
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By contrast, here's something vile. Not the actual post but what it collects to make a (gruesome) point. If you think the Skyler hate on tumblr is bad, apparantly it's even worse on twitter and facebook. Major, major trigger warning for rape and violence, not in the show but in the fannish reaction, but reading this collection of twitter and facebook posts - from this season, not from the start of the show, to make that clear - makes me seriously wonder whether Breaking Bad sets some sort of record of being the best show with the worst (vocal) fans. The introduction gives some spoilers for the first four seasons to create context. Just to get the horrible taste out of my mouth, I'm rewatching the epic Skyler-Walt confrontation scene from 51 now. (Aka why Anna Gunn should join Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul as an Emmy winner.) SPOILER for BB, season 5, obviously. (I'd link but then you'd end up with the YouTube comments, which are, again, vile.)
samdonne, it's going to be the Nick Fury's People show you longed for after watching The Avengers. There are no news yet as to which comicverse characters are going to be in it, which is why everyone is speculating. Personally, I'm hoping for my beloved Abigail Brand because Joss created her the last time he was in charge of a Marvel property, and since S.W.O.R.D. doesn't exist yet in the movieverse she has to get her early training somewhwere, doesn't she? I'm also hoping for Maria Hill, of course, though since I hear the actress has other obligations he might have to recast. Natasha sadly is out of the question given she's a hot movie property, and my guess is Marvel will want to keep Sharon Cartner for the Captain America films. But what about Mockingbird?
Here is a Joss interview about all things Marvel, in which he also gives a rare non-joking reply as to his thoughts about now having directed the third most successful blockbuster of all time:
I don't think it's a perfect movie. I don't even think it's a great movie. I think it's a great time, and I'm proud of it, but for me, what was exciting is that people don't go to see a movie that many times unless it's pulling on something from within, unless there's a need there. That's very gratifying.
Now whether like me you loved that movie to bits and watched it multiple times and still can't wait for the dvd or whether you feel the other extreme, that is an excellent definition.
Still Whedon-related, on the question as to whether Buffy should have ended with The Gift or with Chosen, I'm firmly on the Chosen side, and this wonderful meta details why.
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Another meta link: Why Doctor Who and ST: TNG can be friends. I wasn't aware there is a section of thought who thinks they couldn't. But then, I'm coming to the fandoms from the exact opposite corner than the poster, in that I was a Star Trek fan first (and specifically a TNG and DS9 fan) and only discoverd DW years and years later. (Also I like the Seven era better than she does.) Anyway, these are good and charming observations on both shows.
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By contrast, here's something vile. Not the actual post but what it collects to make a (gruesome) point. If you think the Skyler hate on tumblr is bad, apparantly it's even worse on twitter and facebook. Major, major trigger warning for rape and violence, not in the show but in the fannish reaction, but reading this collection of twitter and facebook posts - from this season, not from the start of the show, to make that clear - makes me seriously wonder whether Breaking Bad sets some sort of record of being the best show with the worst (vocal) fans. The introduction gives some spoilers for the first four seasons to create context. Just to get the horrible taste out of my mouth, I'm rewatching the epic Skyler-Walt confrontation scene from 51 now. (Aka why Anna Gunn should join Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul as an Emmy winner.) SPOILER for BB, season 5, obviously. (I'd link but then you'd end up with the YouTube comments, which are, again, vile.)
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Date: 2012-09-01 09:15 am (UTC)I do think so, but then, I would. :)
Re: Abigail's essay, I've read it, and like all of her essays, it's worth reading though I don't agree with everything, either. (I'm also slightly handicapped because I never saw more than two seasons of both Mad Men and The Sopranos respectively.) But I don't think you can talk about how BB presents masculinity and how far it does or doesn't question the ideal per se without as much as mention any of the female characters, and she never does, which amazed me. Walt specifically: I wouldn't be able to write about Walt in any capacity without bringing Skyler and his marriage...
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Date: 2012-09-01 09:11 am (UTC)???? So:
a) they're not comparing Doctor Who at its best (whatever that may be, I'd say with 40 years of canon this varies from viewer to viewer) with TNG at its best (i.e. whatever part one selects from seven years of canon), but the highlights of one canon with the entirety of another. This alone would disqualify any judgment for me, because it's rubbish.
b) How do they define "anything might happen" anyway? Both shows have/had their formulas. Even taking the wild variations between different eras in the 40 years into account for DW. Yes, your typical TNG episode is Enterprise encounters problematic situation, helps solving problem, moves on. No, this isn't the case for every TNG episode ever. (Certainly not for the highlights; Picard spending an entire episode living someone else's life comes to mind, Family as the episode which broke the ST "next episode the big trauma from the previous one is fine again" formula, and well, TNG was the Trek that invented the Holodeck precisely to avoid the TOS "we're finding a planet exactly like Earth historical era X" formula and play around with different genres (Western, Sherlock Holmes, Film Noir) anyway.) Just as your avarage DW episode will involve the Doctor coming across a problem and helping to solve it, the Companion(s) being separated from him early in the story but reunited before the end, and Doctor and Companion both surviving the episode(s). And there will be corridors. And running. Again, obviously not true for every DW story ever. But a lot.
c) God save me from partisan fanboys. (And -girls.)
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Date: 2012-09-02 06:32 am (UTC)The SHIELD show would then become this weird thing that united almost all of my fandoms into one big, bizarre lumpen thing.
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