oh no, tv tropes, no

[selenak]

How to discover one has still the old and firm Alias (tv show, not comics series) opinions: browsing through tv tropes, seeing that in the "Magnificent Bastard" section the Alias example is... Julian Sark. Not Arvin Sloane. Not Irina Derevko. Not Jack Bristow (who, granted, is firimly on the heroic side of things, but still). What now? I mean - Sark? I finally was won around in seasons 4 and 5 (the line "the beautiful man is dying" will never not be funny in context), but - Sark is a minion. Also a freelancer. Who is good at being both a minion of flexible loyalties and a freelancer, but the one time he tries to be a top dog supervillain, it's season 3 and you know, really not his finest hour. But seriously, Sark is not nearly a chessmaster enough for Magnificent Bastardy in the sense of the trope. Only ageism can make him the choice example before the First Generation Spies, all three of whom could out manipulate him any time of the day.

Also, a defining Sark scene: when his employers du jour are both Irina and Sloane (though primarily Irina), and Irina is about to deliver "you may think of yourself as a good man..." speech to Arvin S., she sends Sulk, err, Sark out of the room first, and he does pout like a little boy but obeys. But Irina Derevko and Arvin Sloane are far too professional evil overlords to argue in front of minions. So there.

Comments

[likeadeuce]

Alias has A LOT of magnificent bastards, but Sark is definitely not the first one who comes to mind <3

[selenak]

I'm glad you agree. We can stay friends. :)

[jesuswasbatman]

You can edit it. I don't have enough knowledge of the detailed plots to put in an argument for Sloan or Jack, unfortunately.

[thirdblindmouse]

Please do edit. TVTropes has gone downhill in some ways that an individual user can't change, but examples of a trope are still the domain of individual contributors.

[selenak]

How does one edit? As a normal reader, I mean? Do I have to become a member first?

[jesuswasbatman]

You need to become a member which it will prompt you to do when you try to edit a page, but all that you need to provide is an email address.

[d_generate_girl]

... I could have sworn I'd added both Jack and Irina with a fairly cogent argument for each. I went through a giant Alias rewatch and heavily edited both the show and the character pages (created the character page, actually), and I know that I listed Jack, Irina, and Sloane as Magnificent Bastards on the YMMV section of the show page.

I need to go rectify this now.

[selenak]

Here is the page in question:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/MagnificentBastard/LiveActionTV

[gelliaclodiana]

I love Sark dearly (he's one of my favorite characters on the show) but that is SO not his archtype.

[lilacsigil]

Sark would totally go and edit that in himself. He would like nothing more than to be a Magnificent Bastard.

[selenak]

That is so true.:)