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First, I must specify that „Top Ten“ means „my favourite top ten“, not „the objectively top ten most important/best written/acted friendships“. For example, as I recall Ira Behr in one of the specials for the s7 of DS9 dvds declares the friendship between O’Brien and Bashir to be the best in Star Trek, and this, he adds defiantly, includes Kirk/Spock. Leaving writerly pride (since he took part in developing said relationship) aside, he’s got a point in as much as it’s one of the best and most consistently developed friendships, from the moment O’Brien is appalled by eager young puppy Bashir when they meet to the mutual love declaration near the end of s7. However, as this particular relationship never meant much to me, personally, you won’t find it on this list.

So: my entirely subjective top ten, in no particular order, excluding Star Trek: Discovery, since half a season of material isn’t enough to make such a judgment, and Star Trek: Enterprise because I only saw part of canon and don’t remember enough of what I saw.

TOS: Kirk-Spock-McCoy. Yes, I could list „Kirk and Spock“, „Kirk and McCoy“, and „McCoy and Spock“ all individually, but one of the things which made the original triad so compelling was that really each member cared about each of the others, had a strong relationship with each of the others, and no one was an also ran. And I resent fanfic which doesn’t consider that.

Reboot movies: Pike & Kirk. It pushed each of my fatherly mentor buttons, and I will forever regret Abrams & Co didn’t have the courage to end the first movie with Pike in command of the Enterprise and Kirk and Spock both serving as his officers, which would have made so much more sense. Anyway, Pike & Kirk: loved each of their scenes.

(I wanted to list Spock & Saavik here as well, but I’m a „only the movies and tv shows are canon“ person, and me falling for the Saavik and Spock relationship was mostly due to the combination of Vonda McIntyre’s ST II novelization and Carolyn Cowles‘ novel „The Pandora Principle“, which gave us the background of Saavik being half Romulan and raised by Spock. Now I adored their relationship in those novels, but on screen they only have a few lines of dialogue in STII and some scenes where Spock is literally out of his mind in ST III, which would not have done the trick on their own. Moreover, subsequent novels made the appalling decision of letting Saavik and Spock become a couple, which I hated.)

TNG: Guinan & Picard: It was mysterious and ambiguous and we only ever got hints how their deep mutual trust was established, but it made for powerful scenes. (I mean, Picard risked the lives of his entire crew simply on Guinan’s feeling they were in the wrong time line!)

Riker & Troi: the first exes in ST who successfully managed both a good professional relationship and a strong friendship post romance, being there for each other in a crisis (as when Troi temporarilly lost her powers in „Loss“), and not interfering with each other’s love lives. Yes, they got together again romantically post show, but that doesn’t exclude the relationship from the „friendship“ category for the entire TNG run. Look, I’m fond of my share of dysfunctional can’t live with, can’t live without relationships, I’ll not deny it, but every now and then I’m truly grateful fiction offers me adult exes as friends as well.

Data & Geordi: just had each other’s backs, and possibly the most uncomplicated relationship in their lives. (Except when Geordi had to look after Data’s cat.) Can’t imagine TNG without them.

(Couldn’t list: Sarek & Picard, because intense mind sharing in two episodes does not a friendship make, but despite the lack of screentime, their scenes are a big reason why I started to love TNG.)

DS9: Quark & Jadzia Dax, to no one’s surprise who has read my DS9 stuff. This started in s2 with Jadzia beginning to hang out with Quark and continued to Quark joining an insane quest for her sake after she’d died. Yes, it became love on his side, but it was friendship first, and arguably the strongest relationship he had with a non-Ferengi in his life. As for Dax, I believe her when she tells Pel she (Jadzia) loves Quark.

Dax (any of them) & Benjamin Sisko: through three incarnations (and a half, if you count the symbiont thief from early s2 who got distracted by the symbiont not coping with rejection by Sisko), this was a delightful friendship, with both oft hem at different times playing the role of advisor and advised. I have some other problems with the storyline in question, but Sisko getting into his existential crisis by mainly by losing one Dax and being pulled out of it mainly by another always struck me as entirely plausible.

Jake & Nog: Talk about friendship with Ferengi. The kids literally grew up on the show, and if their early scenes were both comic relief and a chance to confront Sisko with his own bias, they later had plausible teenage fallouts and reconciliations, partly due to choosing different paths (and I’ll always love that it’s Nog who starts a Starfleet career, while Jake remains a civilian and sticks to his writing, heartrendering AU episode aside), yet the affection remained. I think poor old Wesley got too harsh a deal in terms of fan hatred on TNG, but it’s undeniable that by the time DS9 came along, the writing for teenagers and the awareness of how to integrate them in the overall story had impoved.

Garak & Bashir: I feel a bit like cheating when listing them because they were my earliest slash ship and I ship them still. But then again, I listed Riker & Troi. So. From their first encounter in early s1 till the s4 episode „Our Man Bashir“ (after which the show infamously got gunshy and hardly gave them any scenes anymore for the remainder of the show, with a very few exceptions), this was and remains one of my favourite ST relationships, full stop. On one level, it was the cynicism/idealism combination, but it was also that they were learning from each other; I think Garak needed Julian Bashir not to give up on his ideals as much as Bashir needed to figure out where his own lines were.

Voyager: Janeway & Seven of Nine. I was starting to go off ST during the early Voy seasons (though now in retrospect I see the show and what it did especially with the female roles somewhat differently), but s4 made me for a while a dedicated viewer, and the Janeway-Seven relationship was a big reason why. It was hard to categorize, and I like that the show never tried to make it just one thing or the other, that it remained prickly and intense, supportive and argumentative, throughout the time I was watching.

The other days

Date: 2018-01-06 12:15 pm (UTC)
saturnofthemoon: (Michael Burnham)
From: [personal profile] saturnofthemoon
I love all of these!

It occurs to me that Spock & Spock is a more functional version of Sarek & Michael Burnham, which pushes that ship from "not my thing" into NOTP territory.

Date: 2018-01-06 01:42 pm (UTC)
saturnofthemoon: <user name="icons_of_isis"> (Saavik)
From: [personal profile] saturnofthemoon
*headdesk* Sorry, I meant Spock and Saavik.

Date: 2018-01-06 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ffutures
Poor Scotty - I suppose spending most of his time down in engineering does keep him a little isolated from Kirk/Spock/McCoy, but it seems a shame he's not part of the core group.

Date: 2018-01-06 05:13 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (janeway: the big chair)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
I like that the show never tried to make it just one thing or the other, that it remained prickly and intense, supportive and argumentative, throughout the time I was watching.

This was one of my favorite things, too, about Janeway/Seven. They had a mentor/mentee relationship in which they butted heads, disagreed, and argued, and I liked that more often than not, neither of them was completely in the wrong (or in the right). Especially in the mid-1990s, it was pretty rare to see a relationship like this between two women - in any form of media.

Date: 2018-01-07 02:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daybreak
(I mean, Picard risked the lives of his entire crew simply on Guinan’s feeling they were in the wrong time line!)
She was right, though, wasn't she? I'd listen to Whoopi warn me about anything. You may remember her warning about the election that I posted in my journal. Hee!

You forgot Data and Spot! LOL. I'm in a silly mood. :-)

And Tom Paris and Harry Kim. I remember one episode where one of them (it doesn't matter which) threw his body across the other while an angry mob came for him. He said, "to get to him you have to go through me". I thought, now that's friendship. It may sound odd, and I was young when I saw this, but I've weighed any good friendship (TV, real life, wherever) to that standard.

Would they say, to get to him or her, you have to go through me. Wow.

Date: 2018-01-07 03:24 am (UTC)
espresso_addict: Bashir with hand up in turbolift with text: 'my fandom is THIS big...' (bashir (this big))
From: [personal profile] espresso_addict
Jadzia Dax & Kira is another favourite from DS9; friendships between women are too rare on screen. I've never watched Voyager systematically, but you are making me want to give it a try, at least from when 7 appears.

Date: 2018-01-07 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] felis
I watched TNG all the way through only pretty recently (I only had vague memories of watching single episodes during my teens) and I was impressed with how Riker and Troi's friendship turned out. Really loved it. There was an intimacy there that spoke of knowing each other very well and many occasions where they just supported each other, both in times of crisis as you say, but also when it came to romance. Given how questionably some other things were handled, especially when it comes to Deanna, the show did much better with their relationship than I expected. There were many instances where they could have gone a very clichéd jealousy route with Riker and they didn't. Many points for that.

Agreed on Data and Geordi as well, love that you picked uncomplicated as a descriptor, because that's really what it was: an uncomplicated friendship that was simply wonderful to watch and had me invested when it mattered, like the episode where Geordi searches for his mother.

And I'm also with you regarding all the DS9 ones, that show is basically an embarrassment of riches when it comes to great relationships moments. Dax in general comes across as someone with a real talent for friendships - even Ezri, who I was less fond of, had some great friendship scenes with Worf once they got over their hang-ups, I appreciated that.

Date: 2018-01-08 07:29 am (UTC)
scintilla10: rainbow-coloured umbrella against rainy cityscape (Stock - rainbow brolly)
From: [personal profile] scintilla10
Ah, these are all great choices! I love Janeway & Seven too, and especially all of the DS9 friendships.

Date: 2018-01-09 10:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] watervole
Agree with so much of that. I too wish Pike had remained in command. Kirk was really too young to be convincing as captain -and I loved the actor who played Pike.

Date: 2018-01-13 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zahrawithaz.livejournal.com
This is a great list, and it surprises me not at all that so many of them are from DS9--for a variety of reasons, that show seemed more interested in friendship as it affected every character's life than any of the other iterations. (I would have expanded the terms of friendship to include Quark & Rom, one of my absolute favorites. Some friends are just people you happen to have the misfortune of being related to!)

But I especially love you including Picard/Guinan, because I might have overlooked that one and yet makes perfect sense. There's something about Guinan's outsider status that allows Picard to relate to her in a way he can't to his crew.

As a lover of Garak, what are your thoughts on the Odo/Garak friendship in DS9? I remember thinking it made a lot of sense when the show presented it, but that we didn't get enough of it to make it feel real.

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