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Lufthansa is going on strike, starting tomorrow, so my flight to England this evening is rather fortunately timed. It's going to be first London, then Stratford, then London again in a mixture of work and pleasure. Stratford and the production of Hamlet being the leisure part, obviously. Looking forward to it also invoked a fit of nostalgia and Patrick Stewart fangirling, which I'm now going to subject you to.

Like many a non-English person, I first saw Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation. He was obviously different from Kirk, which was a plus in my book. (I grew up with ST, but never was a Kirk fan, so was glad that the new captain was not a clone. As opposed to early Riker, who struck me that way.) I can still recall when this general approval became something definite, for both character and actor; the second season episode Sarek, which, old Trek girl that I was, I had been looking foward to because of Mark Lenard's return as Sarek, Spock's father. Mark Lenard was his dignified self and other than missing Amanda I enjoyed Sarek's return to the ST universe immensely; also, the metaphorical treatment of Alzheimer's was sensitively done. But to my surprise what really made the episode for me was that sequence where Picard, whom an illness-affected Sarek had mind-melded with in order to carry through the important negotiations he was on board for, was experiencing the raw force of Sarek's unsurpressed emotions plus his own. It was an intense scene and an amazing bit of acting on Patrick Stewart's part, and I sat there in front of my tv screen, riveted. One of the reasons why it was so effective was that Picard normally was such a controlled individual himself, but I think it would have worked even for first time viewers without background knowledge; it was that good a scene.

Afterwards, I was both a Stewart and a Picard fan. I liked the mannerisms ("tea, Earl Grey, hot"), I liked those occasions when we saw characters getting beneath Picard's skin (Q and Lwaxana Troi in different ways, and Vash), I liked when he kept his control. I liked the way his anger was there but reigned in and the way he used it in the "Data is a toaster" argument from Measure of a Man (which, btw, must have influenced Ron Moore long term, because the crucial argument here - if androids aren't treated as a sentient species and new life, then they are a slave race - was going to be ever so important for BSG), and the sense of curiosity and fascination with other cultures you got in episodes such as Darmok (if you've read a certain Heroes story of mine, yes, the way Picard works out a way to communicate did influence me), and the way Stewart could convey intelligence just by reaction shots and Picard listening. I liked that the show was fully aware that the good Captain did have it in him to be pompous, as dignified people often do, and pointed this out to him (Q's "Jean-Luc, Jean-Luc, sometimes I think the only reason why I come here is to listen to those wonderful speeches of yours" in True Q directly after a passionate Picard speech comes to mind); TNG often gets critisized for presenting its characters too perfect, without human flaws, but I never felt that was the case with Picard.

With tv being so very different today, it's hard to convey the full impact of the Best of Both Worlds two parter and the subsequent episode Family had on a first time viewer back then. In an age where, say, John Crichton in the four seasons of Farscape is subjected to a non-stop battery of mental, emotional and physical assaults, including one opportunity where he if not for a dea ex machina would have killed his beloved while under someone else's control, Picard being abducted by the Borg, transformed into Locutus, getting a lot of Star Fleet personnel killed and even after being liberated still feeling the effects probably doesn't seem to be a big deal. But if your basis of comparison is classic Trek where if our heroes were tortured, they manfully resisted, and no matter what trauma happened to them, they were okay at the start of the next episode, it is a big deal. Things like becoming Locutus just didn't happen to Kirk. And most crucially, episodes like Family where basically nothing happens except for the main character dealing with the aftermath of having been the instrument of destruction (and even the two subplots, one with Worf and his parents, and one with Wesley and his late father, are strictly character-focused, with no action scene in sight) had not existed. So seeing Picard visiting his family and finally losing control and crying in the French vineyards over what happened was unprecedented (and again fantastic, performance-wise; also, I'll always love RDM for that script which allows Picard to show a gentle, dead-pan humour when dealing with his nephew along side of exploring the Borg aftermath). It made Picard real to me in a way few tv characters before had been.

Once TNG was over, I came gradually to the point where I decided my favourite Star Trek show was in fact DS9, which is still the case. But if you ask me that age-old Trekker question about favourite captains? No question about it. Jean-Luc, I'm still yours. As for Patrick Stewart in regards to Picard, I'll never get tired of reading his awesome smackdown of a reporter who indulges in stupid clichés about sci fi fans:

Q: When you're onstage, aren't you worried about weird Trekkie fans in the audience?
A: Oh, come on, that's just a silly thing to say.
Q: But they are weird.
A: How many do you know personally? You couldn't be more wrong. Here's the thing: if you say the fans are weird, that means there is something essentially weird about the show, and there is nothing weird about it. I'm very passionate when people like you snigger.


Things like this, ladies and gentlemen, would be why I am a fan.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astrogirl2.livejournal.com
Patrick Stewart rocks. And, yeah, it may not be terribly impressive by today's standards, but I remember being highly affected by the events of "Best of Both Worlds," and deeply and pleasantly shocked by the fact that there was a whole episode afterward that focused on the emotional aftermath. That just wasn't done back then, really.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
It just wasn't. *feels very old, but in a fannishly happy way*

Date: 2008-07-27 09:22 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aralias.livejournal.com
that's such a great thing to say. patrick stewart is one of life's best people.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
I usually don't care too much what actors think as long as they deliver good performances, but this made me very happy, let me tell you that.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angevin2.livejournal.com
Captain Picard is freaking awesome. And so is Patrick Stewart. &hearts

Date: 2008-07-27 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
*highfives*

Date: 2008-07-27 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
My big Picard memory is Chain Of Command, which I still sometimes get crap from old school "TREK SUCKS" Babylon 5 fans about when I argue it's superior to Intersections. There are some TNG episodes that deserve criticism for plot resets (I particularly dislike the one where Worf is briefly paralysed) but there are a couple where its actually braver than other shows.

Date: 2008-07-27 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You know I'm with you on the Chain of Command versus Intersections matter. (Also on the Worf paralysed episode, though my deepest ire is reserved for the Tasha Yar fights Chieftain's Wife episode, I think.) Though talking to other fans, I'm always surprised what sticks in their minds is Picard saying "There are four lights!" instead of the final scene where he tells Troi that he did see five. I also appreciate this two-parter gave us an excellent guest star via David Warner as Gul Madred and broke with a Trek cliché that otherwise was used again and again on all Trek shows - guest captain takes over, screws up, our lot have to save the day - by making Picard's temporary replacement competent instead, thus making it credible Starfleet in fact has more good officers than just the Enterprise crew.

Date: 2008-07-27 01:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spikewriter
I saw the first part of "Best of Both Worlds" at a con and remember the audience howling at the ending, wanting more right now. It really was a "keep us hanging on the edge of our seats" summer. And, yes, it was wonderful seeing "Family" and seeing the consequences of what had happened.

It was during that summer I went to a con in Phoenix where Patrick Stewart was a guest and he ended up talking about everything but TNG. Most of it was about Shakespeare and the audience was transfixed. Finally, he caught himself and told us, "Essays are due on Monday, single sided, typed or handwritten." None of us minded, and it was great to see a fannish audience understand when he said, "Star Trek is my job; this is my passion."

Funny, but he always seemed to bring the passion to TNG. If he didn't, we didn't notice. Have a wonderful time.

Date: 2008-07-27 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
We were lucky in Germany because they didn't start to broadcast TNG until one year and a half after it had started in the US, so we got to see Best of Both Worlds II the week after.*g*

Patrick Stewart: cons and other tv stuff like I, Claudius aside, I was lucky and saw him in The Masterbuilder, The Tempest and in Antony and Cleopatra. So very different roles, each of them, and he was superb every single time.

Date: 2008-07-27 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmesandy.livejournal.com
I'd never seen that interview! Awesome, thanks for sharing it!

Date: 2008-07-27 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're very welcome!

Date: 2008-07-27 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lycomingst.livejournal.com
That was a wonderful read. Patrick Stewart is the man!

Date: 2008-07-27 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inlovewithnight.livejournal.com
This just filled me with so much First Fandom nostalgia and glee. Also, Patrick Stewart kind of kicks ass. Thanks for posting this, it really made my morning. :)

Date: 2008-07-27 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
You're very welcome!

Date: 2008-07-27 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wee-warrior.livejournal.com
Ah, TNG. I don't even remember when I actually saw it first. I think I love Picard and Sisko about the same amount; they both represent so completely different aspects of cool, I just couldn't decide which one to prefer.

As for the quote, I don't think I have been as awed by Patrick Stewart since I saw him in Jeffrey. Just incredible.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Jeffrey> this reminds me of another priceless Stewart quote, since at the time reporters asked him whether he didn't find a gay hairdresser after a starship captain something of a stretch, and he basically said he played Leontes and Othello, both of whom kill their wives (or try to), and Shylock, who wants to carve out someone's heart, and reporter x asks him whether a perfectly nice gay hairdresser is a stretch?

Date: 2008-07-28 08:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] genarti
HA. What an excellent quote!

Date: 2008-07-27 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Patrick Stewart is made of win. I love him a lot.

Date: 2008-07-27 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
So say we all...

Date: 2008-07-27 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violaswamp.livejournal.com
Thank you for posting that interview snippet. I am now even more of a Patrick Stewart fangirl than I was before.

I too love Picard, for all the reasons you mentioned, and I think it's erroneous to say that the characters on ST:TNG were ever presented as perfect. They all clearly had their flaws. There's a stronger case for the idea that the society they lived in was supposed to be perfect, but not the individual protagonists. And I don't even think the society was perfect--it was quasi-utopian, because the political system was fundamentally sound and the structure of the fictional universe favored happy endings, but we did see quite a few blind spots. (A truly perfect society would never even consider treating Data as a toaster, would it?) I can see how it would still be too saccharine for a lot of people, but that's not the same as being perfect.

As for "The Best of Both Worlds" and "Family," they had a huge impact on me despite the fact that my TV expectations were formed by shows of the late 90s and early 00s. So I think they really do stand the test of time even beyond the novelty of the lack of a reset button.

Date: 2008-07-28 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
This is just lovely. :)

Date: 2008-07-28 11:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owl
A: How many do you know personally? You couldn't be more wrong. Here's the thing: if you say the fans are weird, that means there is something essentially weird about the show, and there is nothing weird about it. I'm very passionate when people like you snigger.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is pure class.

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